Rick Santorum says class is a leftist myth and does not exist - Polidicks

[t]http://imgkk.com/i/hlru.jpg[/t] [url]http://www.msnbc.com/politicsnation/santorum-middle-class-leftist-talk[/url] [quote]Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum told his fellow conservatives on Friday that they should stop using the term “middle class” because it exemplifies ”class-envy, leftist language.” Santorum, who failed to secure the Republican Party nomination for president in 2012, described his own campaign as different because it had focused on “those who are working Americans.” “Notice I didn’t say middle class,” he said. “Why do we use a term I should say that is of the other side?” he asked. “Why do we, as Republicans who believe in the dignity of every human life, who believe in equality of opportunity for everyone to rise, adopt a class-envy leftist language that divides America against themselves?” “Do we really accept the fact there are classes in America?” he continued. “Then why do we use that term? Why do we adopt their language? We have to stop that.” “We should use the term working Americans,” he added later. “Because unlike them, we believe work is a good thing.”[/quote]

Id beg to differ

yeah well i say your brain doesn't exist, santorum.

Okay. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true. Class as a concept is in every sector, from fashion to vehicle. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing; it's just denying it exist so that you can deny class warfare is literally childish.

um... no? maybe instead of discrediting hundreds of years of political theory and economic theory you could just.. is the republican card now to claim "x doesn't exist because the democrats say it does!"

How ignorant do you have to be to think this?

[quote]“Because unlike them, we believe work is a good thing.”[/quote] Yeah, because without workers you have nobody to prop you and your cronies up.

Classes are leftist? What is calling them lefties then? Is that not classification?

1. That frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex. - Urban dictionary on Santorum What a fucking idiot.

[QUOTE=agentalexandre;44239715]Classes are leftist? What is calling them lefties then? Is that not classification?[/QUOTE] America is united Except for those other fuckers

[QUOTE=madman770;44239722]1. That frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex. - Urban dictionary on Santorum What a fucking idiot.[/QUOTE] It describes him well too.

[quote]“Do we really accept the fact there are classes in America?” he continued. “Then why do we use that term? Why do we adopt their language? We have to stop that.” [/quote] um because some people are incabable of making as much money as other people by some reason, we adopted or created in this case, the language from observation that people have different amounts of income, political influence, and living conditions, if you are refering to the language we use, well then you are an idiot, if you are refering to that there are different classes and a massive class gap you are still an idiot for thinking we are doing it in some deliberate fashion

I would like to propose that Pennsylvania is a Tea Party myth that doesn't exist, which means we can immediately cease any Federal money going to Frothy Mix's imaginary home state. What do you mean, that's not how it works, Rick? Seems logical to me.

"who believe in equality of opportunity for everyone to rise" sure you do, frothy

[QUOTE]who believe in equality of opportunity for everyone to rise[/QUOTE] Ah yes, the central tenant of Republican ideology. Blind faith without any substance. Why try to make things better if your faith tells you not to worry about it?

He's sort of right, i mean we're all human more or less, debatable on some individuals. But at the moment there most certainly is a class divide, i guess if you ignore wealth and the massive benefits it brings but that's just silly.

[QUOTE=Angua;44239905]He's sort of right, i mean we're all human more or less, debatable on some individuals. But at the moment there most certainly is a class divide, i guess if you ignore wealth and the massive benefits it brings but that's just silly.[/QUOTE] You don't understand. Everyone is equal, but some are more than others.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;44239834]I would like to propose that Pennsylvania is a Tea Party myth that doesn't exist, which means we can immediately cease any Federal money going to Frothy Mix's imaginary home state. What do you mean, that's not how it works, Rick? Seems logical to me.[/QUOTE] i believe rick HUSANE santorum is a leftist myth and does not exist so we just ignore him...

is spanish class a myth because i really dont like spanish

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44239745]It describes him well too.[/QUOTE] He should've been a blowjob.

sometimes I wish some of these rich republican politicians could step into the shoes of being poor for a month. I lives in Inglewood in LA for months with an extended family.

To be honest classes have been dying out for ages. Class divides were particularly strong in say 19th and early 20th century Britain, but the lines marking them out have become increasingly blurred in recent decades. I think the world wars were largely responsible for this (in Europe at least). Like, in the old days you could clearly tell if somebody was lower, middle, or upper class, but its hard to identify now which class somebody belongs to. In America it's even harder because they haven't had a long and proud tradition of a class of landed aristocrats with serfs. Plus a lot of the poor immigrants who came to America for all the opportunity tended to think of themselves as "future millionaires" instead of downtrodden factory and farm workers.

[quote]The latent causes of faction are thus [B]sown in the nature of man[/B]; and we see them everywhere brought into different degrees of activity, according to the different circumstances of civil society. A zeal for different opinions concerning religion, concerning government, and many other points, as well of speculation as of practice; an attachment to different leaders ambitiously contending for pre-eminence and power; or to persons of other descriptions whose fortunes have been interesting to the human passions, have, in turn, divided mankind into parties, inflamed them with mutual animosity, and rendered them much more disposed to vex and oppress each other than to co-operate for their common good. So strong is this propensity of mankind to fall into mutual animosities, that where no substantial occasion presents itself, the most frivolous and fanciful distinctions have been sufficient to kindle their unfriendly passions and excite their most violent conflicts. [U]But the most common and durable source of factions has been the various and unequal distribution of property. Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society. Those who are creditors, and those who are debtors, fall under a like discrimination. A landed interest, a manufacturing interest, a mercantile interest, a moneyed interest, with many lesser interests, grow up of necessity in civilized nations[/U], [B][U]and divide them into different classes[/U][/B], [B]actuated by different sentiments and views[/B]. The regulation of these various and interfering interests forms the principal task of modern legislation, and involves the spirit of party and faction in the necessary and ordinary operations of the government.[/quote] What is this talk of class? Talk of economic classes? Insane, leftism, un-American! Who is this commie using this class analysis of America? [quote]The Federalist No. 10 The Utility of the Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection (continued) Daily Advertiser Thursday, November 22, 1787 James Madison[/quote] [quote]James Madison, Jr. (March 16, 1751 – June 28, 1836) was an American statesman, political theorist and the fourth President of the United States (1809–1817). He is hailed as the "Father of the Constitution" for being instrumental in the drafting of the United States Constitution and as the key champion and author of the United States Bill of Rights.[/quote] [editline]14th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;44240075]To be honest classes have been dying out for ages. Class divides were particularly strong in say 19th and early 20th century Britain, but the lines marking them out have become increasingly blurred in recent decades. I think the world wars were largely responsible for this (in Europe at least). Like, in the old days you could clearly tell if somebody was lower, middle, or upper class, but its hard to identify now which class somebody belongs to. In America it's even harder because they haven't had a long and proud tradition of a class of landed aristocrats with serfs.[/QUOTE] There is a difference between economic and social class, and this is where the confusion comes from. We in the left do not argue that the division of social class is lessening- the lines have been blurred by the cultures of economic classes becoming borrowed, picked apart, spread about, and made affordable or stylish depending on the time and place. What was once a luxury item is in everyone's home as a commonality- a welfare recipient can afford the same flatscreen as Bill Gates has in his living room. The newsboy caps worn by impoverished wage-slave children in the 1920s is now a fashion item for the petite-bourgie and your average barista at Starbucks. Your average person owns or has ready access to a car. Does this mean we are all equal? In the US, we refer often to "working class", "middle class", and "upper class", usually with "upper and lower" classifications for those classes. But these are not economic classes, they are social classes, which is why me, who made 11,000$ last year am in the same lifestyle, minus luxuries, and live in the same style home as the MD down the road. His house is nicer, sure, and the inside is full of things far more valuable than anything I own, and he has less debt, but if you met us in the street you couldn't tell our "class" apart. Social classes are drawing closer together. What leftists see as class is economic class, or relationship to capital. People who own it, people who do not own it. Money, machines, methods of production. This is what we care about- whether or not you own the machines that make things, where the money goes, and who has and doesn't have it. We don't care if you own a fancy computer or a car or if you can't afford these things, these are mostly irrelevant to us- though they are a product of the class system. The diminishing of social class has degraded the conflict between classes, but only shallowly. One section of society is still indebted to another section, and must sell their labor, bodies, time, and minds in order to survive and have access to the luxury goods and such that define one's social class. It is our understanding that classes have not gone away or blurred, but instead have been hidden behind social classes and consumerism. Calling social classes a myth is partly true, but it's very dangerous for the right, because by arguing that there are no classes they then make people reconsider what the differences are, why there are distinctions between sections of society, and that leads them to the underlying conflict in economic classes. The general mindset is again moving towards an economic conception of class in the US, with the minor revival of the labor movement and the progressive trend in youth. By diminishing their own cover story, so to speak, the real conditions are more obvious. [editline]14th March 2014[/editline] I didn't realize I was replying to you, Sobotnik. Now I feel silly for putting in that leftist-conception-of-class explanation.

[QUOTE=Marksman117;44240068]sometimes I wish some of these rich republican politicians could step into the shoes of being poor for a month. I lives in Inglewood in LA for months with an extended family.[/QUOTE] That would be an interesting prerequisite to being a US Senator. Have "life simulations" where they first get to live as a super-rich CEO for month, then spend a month living just below the poverty line, on minimum wage. Surely then they'll really see the disconnect between living in a mansion with more rooms than you have relatives and more cars than housemates, and living in a one-room apartment with tax and bill collectors breathing down your neck while you decide what to sacrifice this month (more food, or internet; cable and phone, or fix the car).

[quote]who believe in equality of opportunity for everyone to rise[/quote] I think flying saucers, Sasquatch, and Nessie are more believable than this.

And in his next speech, he'll resume attacking the nasty poor, the welfare queens and the takers in society. This is just typical class warfare, and Santorum knows exactly what he's doing.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44240075]In America it's even harder because they haven't had a long and proud tradition of a class of landed aristocrats with serfs. Plus a lot of the poor immigrants who came to America for all the opportunity tended to think of themselves as "future millionaires" instead of downtrodden factory and farm workers.[/QUOTE] You don't need to have a 'long-term' tradition of landed aristocrats for classes to become distinguished. Much of that got carried over to the colonies from Europe.

this rick guy is a big dummy i go to class monday-friday pretty much everyone does

[QUOTE=Last or First;44240278]I think flying saucers, Sasquatch, and Nessie are more believable than this.[/QUOTE] True, although it's important to note that "Equal Opportunity" means different things to Conservatives and Liberals. Liberals see it as everyone being on equal ground, that someone from the inner city has the same quality education as someone from the gated community. Even though income and location are different, the opportunity is presented to both parties. Conservatives see it as everyone having being legally equal, that is to say they believe that as long as the law says "everyone can do this", it's equal. That doesn't factor in income, cost, location, or any of that.

[QUOTE=ThreePennyJim;44240314]And in his next speech, he'll resume attacking the nasty poor, the welfare queens and the takers in society. This is just typical class warfare, and Santorum knows exactly what he's doing.[/QUOTE] No no no, you see, it's only class warfare when the poor are attacking the rich. When the rich are attacking the poor, that's "normal". [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44240359]True, although it's important to note that "Equal Opportunity" means different things to Conservatives and Liberals. Liberals see it as everyone being on equal ground, that someone from the inner city has the same quality education as someone from the gated community. Even though income and location are different, the opportunity is presented to both parties. Conservatives see it as everyone having being legally equal, that is to say they believe that as long as the law says "everyone can do this", it's equal. That doesn't factor in income, cost, location, or any of that.[/QUOTE] Funny that they don't even believe in that then, given how opposed they are to gay marriage and female soldiers.