Watch the Feminists come in and start making Fedora jokes and virgin shaming, it's guaranteed.
Feminism's dead, it's over, everyone go back to Tumblr
[QUOTE=Eonart;41928332]The comments make my head hurt, they completely ignore the points she made because they feel she's just trying to push some muslim agenda at the end.[/QUOTE]
She was correct about the ideology containing people with differing beliefs. I disagreed with her last points though.
I do acknowledge that there exists a lot of double standarding in a lot of extremist feminist movements, but to say that this 'debunked' feminism is kind of sensationalist.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;41928753]I disagreed with her last points though.[/QUOTE]
Me too, comparing us to animals is commonplace but the argument relies a lot on biotruths and uttery ignores the psychologic side of humans which is far, far more utilized, complex and in use than nearly any other animal (some mammals like dolphins might be capable of our level of complexity). saying that because monkeys have gender roles doesn't mean that we obviously should have them too. It's been proven by changing cultural values throughout our history that people decide what the fuck they want to be and act like, it's not a set-in-stone instinctive drive that commands us like remote controlled organic bots. I'm sick of people defending gender roles always ignoring the cultural and psychological sides of this.
Back to feminism, though. It's not a united organization, it's a vague idea, rather. You can't really disprove every feminist even if you tried.
Here we go again....
the very first argument is that women shouldn't fight injustice because everyone suffers injustice
even though women suffer statistically more gender discrimination and true feminism is about gender equality not just advancing women
yeah I can already tell this is going to be retarded
it's kind of like telling MLK "well hey buddy white people have their problems too!"
[editline]22nd August 2013[/editline]
yeah her whole argument so far is based on her belief that feminism is universally hypocritical, advocating for advancing women but keeping advantages which is a common misconception but pretty much completely incorrect
she's not saying anything new or interesting just typical anti-feminist rhetoric
[editline]22nd August 2013[/editline]
did she just claim I have a responsibility to protect society as a man
sorry guys you're fucked I can't protect you worth shit
guess I'm not [I]really [/I]a man since I'm not big and strong and manly grrrrr
hell, I really doubt [I]any [/I]of you fit into the gender roles you're now advocating for
Her point about men having to work long hours while women get to stay at home to get off scot-free is bullshit.
She has totally misinterpreted how male favoured employment works.
If a woman wants to work in the jobs she describes, most of the time they can't because employers will choose men to work over women, citing a "woman's inability or lack of strength, intelligence" etc.
This leads to a dependency on men for financial security, further perpetuating the belief that men are more able than women.
I cannot believe the amount of people who agree with this. Have some objective thought, just because it is an anti feminist viewpoint coming from a woman, it doesn't mean her argument has a leg to stand on.
Edit:
The statistics she cites from the Guardian that men are the victims of domestic violence more than 40% of the time are left unexplained.
This includes same sex relationships. (In other words, men are committing the crime here, women have nothing to do with it.)
While it was often stated that women are victims "overwhelmingly" more than men and this study sought to end the reiteration of this false information, this woman has taken it entirely out of context and used it as an argument against women.
Which it is not, and should not be used as such.
I thought that she was arguing that fighting against injustice means we should fight against all injustice, not just one flavor.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;41929733]I thought that she was arguing that fighting against injustice means we should fight against all injustice, not just one flavor.[/QUOTE]
she was but that's dumb because 1) feminism is already actually about gender discrimination as a whole 2) to actually believe women are more privileged is complete denialism 3) you can't magically fight injustice as a whole, you have to focus on each part individually. Some people are going to be naturally inclined towards certain issues more than others, especially those that affect them.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;41929733]I thought that she was arguing that fighting against injustice means we should fight against all injustice, not just one flavor.[/QUOTE]
That is obvious though, if you listen to what she says in the video, it ends up just becoming an argument against equal rights for both sexes and support for patriarchal ideals.
Thankfully, later in the video, she brings up some good points against self proclaimed feminists who have done stupid things in the name of feminism, but her introduction shows a blatant misunderstanding and ignorance of many common male dominated roles in society.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;41929733]I thought that she was arguing that fighting against injustice means we should fight against all injustice, not just one flavor.[/QUOTE]
feminism is basically like that already, although admittedly i can see how the name would throw you off. you see, the only people that actually care much about gender equality are feminists - the people who claim to just be all-purpose egalitarians all fall under two banners; on the nicer side of things there's the people who actually are egalitarians are basically feminists in all but name, and on the other side there's the people who don't understand feminism in the slightest bit and thus can't act as real egalitarians.
everyone already knows about so-called Men's Rights Activists, so i don't think i need to say much here.
and other than these people, nobody else really concerns themselves with gender inequality.
so on the one hand we've got feminists and feminists who don't call themselves feminists for some reason, and on the other we've got people who don't know what they're talking about. so really, feminism actually is the closest thing to an all-purpose gender equality movement. it's just that people hear the name or think of a couple crazy people they saw on the news and think "feminists? you mean those women who cut off men's testicles and wear them as earrings?"
Also, a lot of this video is just this woman criticizing feminism as if it encompasses everyone that states they are one. And when they disagree, she doesn't put it down to the difference of opinion of millions of people, she puts it down to the hypocrisy of [I]all[/I] feminists.
She goes on to state that treating men and women equally simply denies "human reality", despite quoting a charity that supports gender equality ([URL="http://www.parity-uk.org/"]Parity[/URL]) earlier in her speech.
[QUOTE=Cone;41929984]feminism is basically like that already, although admittedly i can see how the name would throw you off. you see, the only people that actually care much about gender equality are feminists - the people who claim to just be all-purpose egalitarians all fall under two banners; on the nicer side of things there's the people who actually are egalitarians are basically feminists in all but name, and on the other side there's the people who don't understand feminism in the slightest bit and thus can't act as real egalitarians.
everyone already knows about so-called Men's Rights Activists, so i don't think i need to say much here.
and other than these people, nobody else really concerns themselves with gender inequality.
so on the one hand we've got feminists and feminists who don't call themselves feminists for some reason, and on the other we've got people who don't know what they're talking about. so really, feminism actually is the closest thing to an all-purpose gender equality movement. it's just that people hear the name or think of a couple crazy people they saw on the news and think "feminists? you mean those women who cut off men's testicles and wear them as earrings?"[/QUOTE]
I personally call myself someone who "calls for the elimination of gender roles," because the word feminism has a negative stereotype associated with it in many people's minds. By calling it a new name, more people might be willing to walk in the door and start critically thinking about it more. Then they, too, start trying to fight the good fight.
[QUOTE=Cone;41929984]feminism is basically like that already, although admittedly i can see how the name would throw you off. you see, the only people that actually care much about gender equality are feminists - the people who claim to just be all-purpose egalitarians all fall under two banners; on the nicer side of things there's the people who actually are egalitarians are basically feminists in all but name, and on the other side there's the people who don't understand feminism in the slightest bit and thus can't act as real egalitarians.
everyone already knows about so-called Men's Rights Activists, so i don't think i need to say much here.
and other than these people, nobody else really concerns themselves with gender inequality.
so on the one hand we've got feminists and feminists who don't call themselves feminists for some reason, and on the other we've got people who don't know what they're talking about. so really, feminism actually is the closest thing to an all-purpose gender equality movement. it's just that people hear the name or think of a couple crazy people they saw on the news and think "feminists? you mean those women who cut off men's testicles and wear them as earrings?"[/QUOTE]
I think the only problem I have with a lot of feminists is that they still use the word feminism or feminist.
It would probably be better on a pragmatic level to have the name of their movement refer to equal treatment between men and women, rather than imply an imbalance of treatment, favouring women.
Ideally feminism should be the same as egalitarianism; and I would say for most feminists it is.
[QUOTE=Ricool06;41930116]I think the only problem I have with a lot of feminists is that they still use the word feminism or feminist.
It would probably be better on a pragmatic level to have the name of their movement refer to equal treatment between men and women, rather than imply an imbalance of treatment, favouring women.[/QUOTE]
well women still do have quite a few issues in most parts of the world, so maybe holding off a bit on phasing out the name until those are largely fixed. i mean, equal treatment is as i've said a main goal of feminism, but don't think that means that the "fem" part is completely obsolete yet.
if a christian woman was doing this, wouldn't it just be seen as "old fashioned" and stupid? it's fundamentalist dogma to a T
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