[video=youtube;0FE30a4J38Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FE30a4J38Q&ab_channel=guyjones[/video]
pretty cool they interview civil war vets
That was an awesome watch. Always love stuff like this.
Very rare view into the past, thank you for posting this.
The words of the gentlemen at 7:38 get to me a lot.
I find it really facinating how close their vocabuary and accents are to modern vocab/accents, despite the nearly 100 year time difference.
This video is so mindblowingly antique that my monitor needs to be manually cranked now.
I am noticing a weird effect of me feeling less of a gap between people of the past and people of the present. Instead of treating these guys as someone from a completely different world like I would have earlier, I now simply seem them as a bunch of guys who lived a bit earlier than me. The perspective became a lot more objective and less "judgmental"
[QUOTE=genkaz92;53108973]This video is so mindblowingly antique that my monitor needs to be manually cranked now.
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Good news is if you have a strong fap-arm, you can now reach 144 hz.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;53109090]Good news is if you have a strong fap-arm, you can now reach 144 hz.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure if I want to create a black hole.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;53109090]Good news is if you have a strong fap-arm, you can now reach 144 hz.[/QUOTE]
Is that speed with or without proper lubrication?
[QUOTE=T553412;53109096]Is that speed with or without proper lubrication?[/QUOTE]
without proper lubrication it would be a super massive black hole instead.
The Southern woman talking about the natives was really fascinating.
Interesting to think that those Civil War vets were around early enough to see off the last Revolutionary War vets and late enough to be filmed on camera.
[QUOTE=nox;53109170]The Southern woman talking about the natives was really fascinating.
Interesting to think that those Civil War vets lived long enough to see off the last Revolutionary War vets, and be filmed on camera.[/QUOTE]
If only we could capture even earlier events on camera, it would be interesting to watch "ancient greek life blu ray edition part 1 out of 50". and "Beethoven rage compilation, like and subscribe"
Maybe if faster than light travel was ever invented we could put together an ultra mindfuck recording system that would record those events
I wonder if people nearly 200 years from now would be able to relate to us, or would find fascination with the way we go about our lives
with the proliferation of digital media, I assume it will be a lot more accessible to see the insight of the average joe from an great archive of the old (current) internet - an interesting thought
I think it's interesting how high pitched the voices are of most of the men and women in this video. Perhaps it's all in my head, but they seem much higher than most people's voices today.
[QUOTE=Exooodus;53109327]I think it's interesting how high pitched the voices are of most of the men and women in this video. Perhaps it's all in my head, but they seem much higher than most people's voices today.[/QUOTE]
That's because the human voice contains several tones low to high, but recording equipment of that era couldn't catch the lower tones. In reality these people didn't sound like they were inhaling helium any more than they were actually black and white.
[QUOTE=Foogooman;53109728]That's because the human voice contains several tones low to high, but recording equipment of that era couldn't catch the lower tones. In reality these people didn't sound like they were inhaling helium any more than they were actually black and white.[/QUOTE]
I did not know this and I have wanted an explanation for you can't even fathom how long.
Thank you.
[QUOTE=genkaz92;53108973]This video is so mindblowingly antique that my monitor needs to be manually cranked now.
I am noticing a weird effect of me feeling less of a gap between people of the past and people of the present. Instead of treating these guys as someone from a completely different world like I would have earlier, I now simply seem them as a bunch of guys who lived a bit earlier than me. The perspective became a lot more objective and less "judgmental"[/QUOTE]
If you really wanna have your mind blown, try reading 2000+ year old informal writings, such as personal diaries or letters between individuals. Truly, humans haven't changed one bit over our written history.
This is made all the more interesting by the thought that within the span of our own lives we might see for the first time, a brand of humanity which genuinely cannot relate to humans of the past. Technology is changing us in so many ways so quickly. Just as these people were the last link to Americans of the Civil War era, our generations might be the last link to all humans before us.
Not if we kill everyone else first and then destroy all of the technological progress to ensure that no one ever attempts to modify themselves again.
To ensure that the operation is successful we have to utilize as much moral extremism as possible and not consider any counter arguments under any circumstances, alternative viewpoints only needlessly confuse our righteous mission.
Looking at them, especially the former slave-owner. I find the narrative that people from that era were insensitive, hateful savages to be utter bullshit. I have no idea why this has become a thing among the current branch of left-winged propoganda, but it's kinda a soulless way to push your supposed politics of equality and mutual respect.
I mean, it's pretty clear that a lot of these people are just living the life that is happening around them. The circumstances of their time gives them a very different impression of the world and the people around them than we did. Yet there they sit, being pretty darn normal, decent and both reflective and introspective. It's a shame that their generation is defined historically by a civil war and politically as evil racists.
How can a country's politics and portrayal of history truly deal so much in absolutes? I will never understand why you people can't just all take a moment and come together and not throw the diaper at the nanny...
I'm sure that there were plenty of serious dicks back then as well, however this video manages to have a curious concentration of someone who appear to be not serious dicks.
[QUOTE=genkaz92;53109830]I'm sure that there were plenty of serious dicks back then as well, however this video manages to have a curious concentration of someone who appear to be not serious dicks.[/QUOTE]
The sweet little old lady talking about the natives and airplanes was an unfathomably evil person.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Latimer_Felton[/url]
[quote]In 1899, a massive crowd of white Georgians tortured, mutilated, and burned a black man, Sam Hose, who purportedly had killed a white man in self-defense but had not committed the rape of the (white) woman whites accused him of. The crowd sold parts of his physical remains as souvenirs. Felton said that any "true-hearted husband or father" would have killed "the beast" and that Hose was due less sympathy than a rabid dog.
Felton also advocated more lynchings of black men, saying that such was "elysian" compared to the rape of white women. On at least one occasion, she stated that white Southerners should "lynch a thousand [black men] a week if it becomes necessary" to "protect woman's dearest possession."[/quote]
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;53109836]The sweet little old lady talking about the natives and airplanes was an unfathomably evil person.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Latimer_Felton[/url][/QUOTE]
Well fuck me then.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;53109822]Looking at them, especially the former slave-owner. I find the narrative that people from that era were insensitive, hateful savages to be utter bullshit. I have no idea why this has become a thing among the current branch of left-winged propoganda, but it's kinda a soulless way to push your supposed politics of equality and mutual respect.
I mean, it's pretty clear that a lot of these people are just living the life that is happening around them. The circumstances of their time gives them a very different impression of the world and the people around them than we did. Yet there they sit, being pretty darn normal, decent and both reflective and introspective. It's a shame that their generation is defined historically by a civil war and politically as evil racists.
How can a country's politics and portrayal of history truly deal so much in absolutes? I will never understand why you people can't just all take a moment and come together and not throw the diaper at the nanny...[/QUOTE]
There are a lot of ways slave owners throughout history have justified it.
-Slavery is good for the slaves. If they weren't "employed" as slaves in a society where few social safety nets exist they'd likely starve and die.
-Slaves are essential to any economy. There will always be work that no one else wants to do, and someone has to do it.
-Slaves of X type (whatever race or culture the status quo doesn't like) are naturally inferior to X superior race, so it's only right that they should be the ones to do undesirable work.
-Slavery is a valuable, productive form of punishment. (This is a justification we still use in the American prison system, even if we don't speak of it as such.)
-Various religion-based arguments.
It's not that all people of the past were evil racists with no redeemable qualities, but many of them [I]were[/I] racist, and their behavior in that regard [I]was[/I] evil. They found ways to justify it, so they could reconcile it with wanting to be good people over all.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;53109855]Well fuck me then.[/QUOTE]
Also the gentlemen talking about fighting the Dutch were Confederate soldiers fighting German mercenaries in Union employ (the Dutch/Deutsch confusion was really common at the time). If you consider Confederate soldiers to be dicks inherently, there's that too.
I still find it mindblowingly outrageous that someone's brain would even work in a way that would allow them to treat someone of a different skin color as inferior, and somehow succeed in spreading it like a memetic virus across an enormous population of individuals.
A part of me suspects that the very first slave owners may not have been actually racist and just used the whole retarded ass inferior race argument as an excuse to have a slave work force, however people started actually treating it seriously shortly afterwards, but this is me still being in disbelief that someone's neurons would even work as such
I don't think the majority of slave owners really cared what color their slaves were. They were willing to press anyone into slavery (effectively, if not legally). Blacks were unfortunately just an easy target in xenophobic America and black slaves would get worse treatment regardless. It was easy for them to justify enslaving black people because of the racist attitudes toward them, but they'd take what they could get as far as practically-free labor went.
Important to keep in mind that French/Irish/Chinese workers were locked into contracts - legally they were not considered slaves but they could pretty much be bought, sold, "disciplined", and otherwise treated like slaves. They were paid wages, but forced to pay those wages right back for the right to live on the land they weren't legally allowed to leave due to their employment contracts. When your contract expires you're no better off than you were when you went into it and you usually wound up signing away another 10 years because you really had no other choice. I consider that effectively slavery. "Freed" black slaves and, after slavery was banned, black people in general were also subject to this. It's just lipstick on a pig.
In other words the racism issue had a lot of overlap with slavery but they weren't exactly 1:1 all the time. Slavery was first and foremost about getting cheap labor; slave owners exploited (consciously or otherwise) societal attitudes toward black people to make them the backbone of the free labor force.
In the end, slavery is about greedy consumption and power. The wealthy and powerful will always seek to draw value from the less wealthy and less powerful.
Racism is just one tool which has been used to make others less powerful and therefore exploitable.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;53109858]Also the gentlemen talking about fighting the Dutch were Confederate soldiers fighting German mercenaries in Union employ (the Dutch/Deutsch confusion was really common at the time). If you consider Confederate soldiers to be dicks inherently, there's that too.[/QUOTE]
I don't. That would be quite a reach for a lot of those people. Writing off half of a country as evil is just not realistic. Germans weren't inherently evil during WW2. They were a lot of things, complacent, partially complicit. But i honestly think most people we consider "bad" from history. The general folk of a country and not the key figures. They were just living their lives, not reflecting much on things and just existing in the social and cultural environment that existed around them. and they tried to get ahead in life elbows and knees. There was no social wellfare economic safety net back then. You fucked up, you starved.
I think a lot of modern armchair moralists wholly skip on actually viewing history through the lens of history. You can't just take people brought up in a certain social and historical context and expect them to be paragons of modern virtues. Virtues we are now seeing very publically, almost no one really lives up to when they think no one is looking. I find holding people of the past to higher standards very hypocritical.
Great watch. It's hard to explain, but the most interesting part of the video for me was at around 1:27 where that Confederate veteran is talking about fighting the Dutch, and there's a "modern" automobile behind him as he tells his story.
Amazing to think that only 60+ years prior, technological leaps like that and film were either in it's infancy/just coming out of the industrial revolution, or completely non-existent.
Great watch. It really shows how the time have changed, with mindsets to fashion.
[QUOTE=genkaz92;53109864]I still find it mindblowingly outrageous that someone's brain would even work in a way that would allow them to treat someone of a different skin color as inferior, and somehow succeed in spreading it like a memetic virus across an enormous population of individuals.
A part of me suspects that the very first slave owners may not have been actually racist and just used the whole retarded ass inferior race argument as an excuse to have a slave work force, however people started actually treating it seriously shortly afterwards, but this is me still being in disbelief that someone's neurons would even work as such[/QUOTE]
Slavery existed long before notions of one race or another being inferior, and the notion of some "races" or other similar groups being inferior has existed for much more than just black people.
People from different countries with different cultural norms, religions and especially different languages, have pretty much always been seen as "others" to most of the population of the world. Lesser than your fellow countrymen, regardless of skin color.
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