• Subatomic particles that appear to defy Standard Model points to undiscovered forces
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[URL="https://uk.news.yahoo.com/subatomic-particles-appear-defy-standard-100950001.html#MQnenZT"]https://uk.news.yahoo.com/subatomic-particles-appear-defy-standard-100950001.html#MQnenZT[/URL] [QUOTE]Subatomic particles have been found that appear to defy the Standard Model of particle physics. The team working at Cern's Large Hadron Collider have found evidence of leptons decaying at different rates, which could possibly point to some undiscovered forces. Publishing their findings in the journal Physical Review Letters, the team from the University of Maryland had been searching for conditions and behaviours that do not fit with the Standard Model. The model explains most known behaviours and interactions of fundamental subatomic particles, but it is incomplete – for example it does not adequately explain gravity, dark matter and neutrino masses. Researchers say the discovery of the non-conforming leptons could provide a big lead in the search for non-standard phenomenon. The Standard Model concept of lepton universality assumes leptons are treated equally by fundamental forces.[/QUOTE] :johnnymo1:
I wonder if these ones were around during the early days of creation? Maybe they liked the universe before it was cool?
If it defies the Standard Model, it probably needs to be redone with new modifiers to represent it. That's what I'm getting from the OP part atleast, I know fuckall about this stuff.
Do we have a link to the paper they've published? I'm reading the article and see nothing, or is this just something PR have been telling in the early stages?
Interesting. Can't wait to see where this goes.
Something I've been wondering, does the standard model specifically predict that there are exactly 4 fundamental forces, or is it just that only 4 have been discovered?
[QUOTE=CatFodder;48573844]Something I've been wondering, does the standard model specifically predict that there are exactly 4 fundamental forces, or is it just that only 4 have been discovered?[/QUOTE] Granted I'm only just beginning to properly learn QFT now, but from what I understand the standard model (hell, most of physics in general I suppose) takes the fundamental forces as an input, as some form of axiom if you will, and then outputs other stuff; you'd have a hard time constructing a Lagrangian if you had no idea in advance that forces were a thing after all. So in short, no, the standard model has nothing to do with [I]predicting[/I] the fundamental forces, merely how they work once you've identified them. The forces are something that we either observationally detect, or infer from other observations; we then use these to build a theory.
Also theres the potential that all the forces converge to be a unified force at high energy levels like how they discovered electroweak interaction
There are so many possible answers, this will be interesting to follow.
I don't think the article says, but as far as I'm aware these are still 2-sigma bumps. Not quite full-blown discoveries yet. So stay tuned for more data.
Oh look, we are discovering aether force, again. It might even stick this time without any nazi style book burnings. Fucking morons.
[QUOTE=SaltyWaters;48574706]Oh look, we are discovering aether force, again. It might even stick this time without any nazi style book burnings. Fucking morons.[/QUOTE] Hahaha, what
[QUOTE=SaltyWaters;48574706]Oh look, we are discovering aether force, again. It might even stick this time without any nazi style book burnings. Fucking morons.[/QUOTE] It might just be me, but "aether force" sounds like something out of Final Fantasy or Xenoblade, something that governs high-power magitek and pushes the spiky-haired hero into overdrive when he ends up fighting God with a sword larger than himself. That's usually how JRPGs tend to end, right?
[QUOTE=ironman17;48574792]It might just be me, but "aether force" sounds like something out of Final Fantasy or Xenoblade, something for high-power magitek.[/QUOTE] That's because it isn't a thing anyone takes seriously.
[QUOTE=SaltyWaters;48574706]Oh look, we are discovering aether force, again. It might even stick this time without any nazi style book burnings. Fucking morons.[/QUOTE] Orgone Energy Part 2
[QUOTE=ironman17;48574792]It might just be me, but "aether force" sounds like something out of Final Fantasy or Xenoblade, something that governs high-power magitek and pushes the spiky-haired hero into overdrive when he ends up fighting God with a sword larger than himself. That's usually how JRPGs tend to end, right?[/QUOTE] It used to be the go to explanation before we tried actually proving anything
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;48574490]I don't think the article says, but as far as I'm aware these are still 2-sigma bumps. Not quite full-blown discoveries yet. So stay tuned for more data.[/QUOTE] Paper's been submitted to Phys. Rev. Lett., but it's been published on arXiv ahead of time: [URL]http://arxiv.org/pdf/1506.08614v1.pdf[/URL]. Data are indeed 2.1-sigma, so it's nothing to get too excited about, although I really look forward to some solid data that break the Standard Model.
Hey maybe this time we can break the speed of light!
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;48574773]Hahaha, what[/QUOTE] Apparently he believes in this: [img]http://aetherforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/comic_aetherforce_1.png[/img] [url]http://aetherforce.com/[/url]
does this aether force have to do with reptilians?
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48579036]Apparently he believes in this: [img]http://aetherforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/comic_aetherforce_1.png[/img] [url]http://aetherforce.com/[/url][/QUOTE] Why does Tesla have an Anime pose?
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48579290]Why does Tesla have an Anime pose?[/QUOTE] It's all part of the cover up. In addition to discovering the aether, Nikola Tesla also discovered anime.
Someone needs to take that Tesla in the corner and put some big headphones on his ears so it looks like he's rockin out.
[QUOTE=BOXHOUND;48579322]It's all part of the cover up. In addition to discovering the aether, Nikola Tesla also discovered anime.[/QUOTE] Anime in the earth 1900s?! Great Scott Japan is fast!
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48579290]Why does Tesla have an Anime pose?[/QUOTE] That's him and his stand: Aether Force
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48579036]Apparently he believes in this: [img]http://aetherforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/comic_aetherforce_1.png[/img] [url]http://aetherforce.com/[/url][/QUOTE] Fucking people using Æ because they think it looks cool, not thinking about how stupid it makes the word sound for people who actually have that letter in their alphabet and can read it :disgust:
If this get confirmed all it means is that we know fuck all about strong and weak force, not that we need to go find new ones.
[QUOTE=paul simon;48580009]Fucking people using Æ because they think it looks cool, not thinking about how stupid it makes the word sound for people who actually have that letter in their alphabet and can read it :disgust:[/QUOTE] Uhh, in all fairness the 'aether' was a proposed hypothetical substance that pervaded all of space and it [I]was[/I] spelled that way. The whole thing was shown to be wrong by Michelson and Morley in the late 1800s, but nonetheless that's what it was called, and that's how it was spelled.
[QUOTE=sltungle;48580397]Uhh, in all fairness the 'aether' was a proposed hypothetical substance that pervaded all of space and it [I]was[/I] spelled that way. The whole thing was shown to be wrong by Michelson and Morley in the late 1800s, but nonetheless that's what it was called, and that's how it was spelled.[/QUOTE] I thought the proposed aether was spelt 'aether' not 'æther'
[QUOTE=AXidenT;48580575]I thought the proposed aether was spelt 'aether' not 'æther'[/QUOTE] I think 'æther', 'aether', and even 'ether' are all acceptable.
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