2 Native American Protesters Arrested at Mall of America
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[quote] Two women were arrested at the Mall of America after they and others were trying to perform a traditional tribal dance in the rotunda area.
The women were part of the group Idle No More, which according to the group's website is an organization that brings attention to indigenous rights and environmental causes.
The group called the arrests discriminatory.
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But mall security did not let them through. Police say Shepard and Crow were arrested after they refused to leave. A spokesperson says the women have since been released.
"We don't allow protests in Mall of America and haven't in 21 years," said Maureen Bausch, Executive Vice President of Business Development. "It clearly did not have to happen."
Bausch says MOA officials warned the group repeatedly they could not hold the event this year, a warning they say they gave last year, as well.
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[url]http://www.kare11.com/story/news/local/2013/12/31/2-members-of-activist-group-arrested-at-mall-of-america/4274203/[/url]
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Ofcourse they're going to claim discrimination. You don't expect them to admit they were actually in the wrong, did you?
Don't do it. Don't even do it. Don! No! Stop, don't you dare! Hey! Don't you do it!
Oh, you fucking did it. Get out. Just, jus..., get out.
"DISCRIMINATION! HELP, HELP DISCRIMINATION!"
*looks up, rubs face, sighs and shakes head*
We told you not to do it.
[quote]"We don't allow protests in Mall of America and haven't in 21 years,"[/quote]
And clearly as the proprietors of Mall of America they have a much more grounded and long-term ownership and authority over the land than these Native Americans.
It isn't like he was born and walking around before the land switched ownership centuries ago
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;43381076]And clearly as the proprietors of Mall of America they have a much more grounded and long-term ownership and authority over the land than these Native Americans.[/QUOTE]
Yes, actually.
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;43381076]And clearly as the proprietors of Mall of America they have a much more grounded and long-term ownership and authority over the land than these Native Americans.[/QUOTE]
There aren't enough Native Americans left to win a fight over land.
I find it incredibly interesting that Idle No More actually managed to spread to the United States. The media here would have you believe the whole thing was a couple hundred people tops.
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;43381076]And clearly as the proprietors of Mall of America they have a much more grounded and long-term ownership and authority over the land than these Native Americans.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I hate to say it but the Natives lost the war for their land about a hundred years ago.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43381346]I find it incredibly interesting that Idle No More actually managed to spread to the United States. The media here would have you believe the whole thing was a couple hundred people tops.[/QUOTE]
MOA was expecting 3500 people... like they said would show up
[QUOTE=Xystus234;43381393]Yeah I hate to say it but the Natives lost the war for their land about a hundred years ago.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how it went down in the US but in Canada the fighting was basically ended (or in a lot of cases prevented from happening in the first place) through negotiation of treaties, treaties that the government is legally obligated to uphold but isn't always. It isn't that the Natives lost. Animosity is totally understandable.
The MoA isn't the kind of place for flash mobs, its big but you can clearly see in the video how last year it got disruptive. Go to the capital or something instead.
There's a sign on the front fucking door saying you can't do that, why do they think they get special privileges?
Come on
I heard that in america if you have 7 people of american indian descent on your property/land you're allowed to shoot them because it's classed as a raiding party.
Note sure if this is true though.
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;43382605]I heard that in america if you have 7 people of american indian descent on your property/land you're allowed to shoot them because it's classed as a raiding party.
Note sure if this is true though.[/QUOTE]
The US has a lot of old out of date laws that have no grounds in the modern world left over.
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;43382605]I heard that in america if you have 7 people of american indian descent on your property/land you're allowed to shoot them because it's classed as a raiding party.
Note sure if this is true though.[/QUOTE]
If it's still even on the books, it's fully superseded by contemporary laws on manslaughter/murder.
Same with the law allowing Brits to shoot Welshmen but only with longbows.
if anything a tribal dance would be a fine form of protest to let happen because i dunno it would attract people wouldn't it? the idea of 'illegal protest' seems real stupid to me
In short, last year they came and it got wild. This year MOA security was having none of that. The beauty of the mall is that its private property and they dont have to allow anything to happen in the mall. They have the final say on what goes on: events, demonstrations, stores, etc
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43382847]if anything a tribal dance would be a fine form of protest to let happen because i dunno it would attract people wouldn't it? the idea of 'illegal protest' seems real stupid to me[/QUOTE]
I find the idea of illegal protests to be stupid in public areas like parks but the Mall of America is privately owned
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;43382605]I heard that in america if you have 7 people of american indian descent on your property/land you're allowed to shoot them because it's classed as a raiding party.
Note sure if this is true though.[/QUOTE]
It's just one of those laws that aren't in effect anymore or have been rendered useless by other laws, nobody would take you seriously if you brought it up in court.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43382742]
Same with the law allowing Brits to shoot Welshmen but only with longbows.[/QUOTE]
As a Welshman I get the heebie jeebies when I'm in an area that still has that "law" :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;43382605]I heard that in america if you have 7 people of american indian descent on your property/land you're allowed to shoot them because it's classed as a raiding party.
Note sure if this is true though.[/QUOTE]
In California and most western states they haven't removed the law but it's technically moot since firing on them would be murder in most states where you can't shoot people on your property.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43382847]if anything a tribal dance would be a fine form of protest to let happen because i dunno it would attract people wouldn't it? the idea of 'illegal protest' seems real stupid to me[/QUOTE]
The protest wasn't illegal and the OP added that into the title for some reason.
Yeah, this is absolutely not discriminatory. There's a large difference between organizing a cultural celebration or a flash mob and going in with political intentions. The fact that MOA had allowed native american celebrations and flash mobs before just shows that it really is a policy matter and not one of discrimination. The MOA had every right to do this.
It wasn't illegal, sure, but it was against MOA policy, and as a private organization they have the right to determine what is and is not permitted on their property. The only reason this seems remotely discriminatory is because this native american group is probably one of very few political organizations who tried to continue with their demonstration/flash-mob even though they had been explicitly told not to.
[QUOTE=areolop;43382942]You cant say what you want and everything is subject to search[/QUOTE]
in what dystopia is that beautiful
[QUOTE=Aurastorm;43383323]in what dystopia is that beautiful[/QUOTE]
its called "private property"
[QUOTE=Aurastorm;43383323]in what dystopia is that beautiful[/QUOTE]
The one we live in.
Freedom of speech!*
*As long as it's politically acceptable, doesn't offend, and doesn't break any mores.
[QUOTE=areolop;43383382]its called "private property"[/QUOTE]
are people subject to search if they're in your house?
Yeah I'm kind of surprised that a cop doesn't realize you're not allowed to search people on your property just because they're on your property.
You can tell them to submit to a search or be considered a trespasser and have to leave (what happens in malls), but you can't force them to submit to a search. That's called assault.
[QUOTE=Explosions;43383134]The protest wasn't illegal and the OP added that into the title for some reason.[/QUOTE]
Quite strange considering the original title was simply "2 members of activist group arrested at Mall of America".
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;43381076]And clearly as the proprietors of Mall of America they have a much more grounded and long-term ownership and authority over the land than these Native Americans.[/QUOTE]
Because Native Americans own all of North America.
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