Transgender Woman dares Anti-LGBT councilmen to Stone her: protects anti-discrimination laws.
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[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/19/pamela-raintree-stone_n_4627051.html[/url]
[QUOTE]Pamela Raintree and her stone are being celebrated by the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community of Shreveport, Louisiana, for their incredible parts in sustaining the city's LGBT non-discrimination ordinance, which was under threat of repeal.
As Towleroad notes, the transgender woman recently confronted Councilman Ron Webb, the single dissenting vote against the ordinance, which passed in December, and the mastermind behind a repeal of the law.
Raintree brought the stone with her to the council meeting and stated, "Leviticus 20:13 states, 'If a man lie also with mankind as he lieth with a woman, they shall surely put him to death.' I brought the first stone Mr. Webb, in case that your Bible talk isn't just a smoke screen for personal prejudices."
KMSSTV.com reports that after Raintree gave her moving speech, "Webb moved to withdraw his proposal to repeal the Fairness Ordinance"
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[video=youtube;rU7w803mQNc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU7w803mQNc[/video]
now if only more people would fight bible with bible...
she showed him the fuck up
She's got bigger balls than me. Good on her.
[QUOTE=Sableye;43615619]now if only more people would fight bible with bible...[/QUOTE]
Most people don't, simply because the people they are talking to (who live by it) don't know it as well as they think they do.. which causes them to rely on default responses about the bible in total (infallible, context, etc).
You can have some great conversations/debates with those who do know it, particularly liberal Christians who know it.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;43615652]She's got bigger balls than me. Good on her.[/QUOTE]
Could have made a stones pun but you threw it away...
That line is from Old Testament...
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;43615652]She's got bigger balls than me. Good on her.[/QUOTE]
Transexual joke?
[QUOTE=Episode;43615705]That line is from Old Testament...[/QUOTE]
So? Its used all of the time to crack down on what fundamentalists view as immoral.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43615706]Transexual joke?
So? Its used all of the time to crack down on what fundamentalists view as immoral.[/QUOTE]
So, it's the old word of god. The new testament is what should be followed now. (I'm an Atheist btw, i'm just telling you what I know of it. I'm not trying to out right defend Christianity)
That's badass as fuck. People stirring up the shit like this is always good.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;43615725]I pretty sure it says somewhere in the New Testament that the old testament is still very much valid.[/QUOTE]
im pretty sure that anyone who uses any edition of the bible as their only moral compass is an idiot
[QUOTE=Episode;43615719]So, it's the old word of god. The new testament is what should be followed now. (I'm an Atheist btw, i'm just telling you what I know of it. I'm not trying to out right defend Christianity)[/QUOTE]
Most Christians pick and choose what they follow. Right Wing Christians don't exactly give away all of their possessions or whatever it was.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;43615725]I pretty sure it says somewhere in the New Testament that the old testament is still very much valid.[/QUOTE]
But not required for salvation. Also, sins are put on the same level as the others. So if gay marriage is not allowed, then they would have to ban marriage between pretty much anyone. Goes to show how much these councilmen really know their Bible.
Watching this put a big ol smile on my face. That woman is the coolest.
Also, it's debatable whether the Old Testament still applies to Christians or not so don't state your beliefs as fact.
Man what a fucking pimp
Her nickname should be "Grandma stones".
Because she's got some stones.
And she knows how to use them.
Saw this the other day. What an awesome response to such an old way of thinking. Glad she got him to stand down and let the bill pass.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;43615754]im pretty sure that anyone who uses any edition of the bible as their only moral compass is an idiot[/QUOTE]
I don't know, at the base lies a simple nice list of rules that says be nice to everyone, but somehow people overlook and twist it.
Oh, hey, I used to live there. It's really run down.
On topic, it's pretty brilliant of her to do this.
[QUOTE=STeel;43615891]I don't know, at the base lies a simple nice list of rules that says be nice to everyone, but somehow people overlook and twist it.[/QUOTE]
you shouldn't need a book of arbitrary stories of people from the middle east with a set of rules to tell you to be a nice person.
that being said, you're right. people do take those simple well intended rules and twist them.
Does this mean it used to be legal to deny people housing because they were gay or trans?
good on you sister
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[QUOTE=Sio;43616569]Does this mean it used to be legal to deny people housing because they were gay or trans?[/QUOTE]
not that it was LEGAL but more that it wasn't ILLEGAL y'know. like, there was nothing 'you are allowed to discriminate based of sexuality' there was just nothing saying you couldn't, which amounts to the same thing really
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43616590]good on you sister
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not that it was LEGAL but more that it wasn't ILLEGAL y'know. like, there was nothing 'you are allowed to discriminate based of sexuality' there was just nothing saying you couldn't, which amounts to the same thing really[/QUOTE]
That's pretty pathetic if people were doing that before.
[QUOTE=Sio;43616756]That's pretty pathetic if people were doing that before.[/QUOTE]
definitely man i feel like my post sounds kinda justifying or something and i wanna say that despite it's legality doing that was disgusting
[Quote=Pamela Raintree]I brought the first stone Mr. Webb, in case that your Bible talk isn't just a smoke screen for personal prejudices.[/quote]
damn...
[QUOTE=Episode;43615705]That line is from Old Testament...[/QUOTE]
Though exactly what is considered 'canon' in Abrahamic religions is often difficult to determine, let's just say that most sects of Christianity and Islam consider much of the old testament to be canon. Just because it's called 'The Old Testament' does not mean it's overwritten by the New Testament.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;43615725]I pretty sure it says somewhere in the New Testament that the old testament is still very much valid.[/QUOTE]
The bible works on a basis of leges posterior derogati priori (new rules override old) So anything where the old and new testament are in conflict, the new testament is the one to use.
Another thing to consider is that there are certain supra rules within the bible. And you can pretty much get out of all of these things with quoting them.
You wish for me to cast the first stone? Sorry, but I consider the ten commandments sacred above all as an example.
Honestly even if you use religion as your moral basis, you should know how to use it well, so that no one can call you out on the more negative sides. When even I as an atheist know one of the perfect retorts to these pushes, I'd say that the council man just doesn't really know what he's working with well enough to actually work with it.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;43616840]Though exactly what is considered 'canon' in Abrahamic religions is often difficult to determine, let's just say that most sects of Christianity and Islam consider much of the old testament to be canon. Just because it's called 'The Old Testament' does not mean it's overwritten by the New Testament.[/QUOTE]
Most of them say that when Jesus was impaled that the Old laws were impaled with him. Thats why you don't find any christian groups that practice the old laws.
The no homosexuality thing is reiterated in the new testament though, just without the whole stoning bit.
If I recall correctly, there's a part in the NT in which Jesus says something along the lines of "But don't think that just because I'm now here, giving you all of this new information, you can ignore the old scriptures, no, rather the opposite, it only strengthens them".
But then again, it doesn't really matter. Practically no-one in the western societies actually follow more than 20-30% of what's written in the bible, anyway.
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;43616981]If I recall correctly, there's a part in the NT in which Jesus says something along the lines of "But don't think that just because I'm now here, giving you all of this new information, you can ignore the old scriptures, no, rather the opposite, it only strengthens them".[/QUOTE]
to be fair though, the bible is really contradictory due to the different revisions and shit that happened throughout the years. i think overall jesus said some pretty nice and compelling shit but alot of stuff has obviously been twisted over the years
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