Hybrid batteries tease big energy capacity while charging in seconds - Polidicks

[quote] [img]http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/11/ioxusgen1batteriesengadget-1289604328.jpg[/img] Ioxus Inc. is an up and comer in the energy storage industry that has plans this Monday to announce a new hybrid storage device that it hopes will radically alter batteries used in the auto, medical, and consumer electronics industries. The teased product is said to be roughly the size of a typical C-cell battery and combines the fast charge / discharge benefits of ultracapacitors with the impressive energy-to-weight ratio of a lithium-ion electrode. As a result, Ioxus says the hybrid devices can store more than double the energy of traditional ultracapacitors and charge in a matter of seconds. The catch is that the hybrids have shorter life spans of 20,000 cycles compared to millions of cycles for typical ultracapacitors. We're also taking this with a grain of skepticism until these claims are proven in the field. Some brief digging though did unearth an article written by MIT researchers and published in Scientific American last year that discusses the possible benefits of supercharging lithium-ion cells -- which is encouraging. [/quote] [url]http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/14/hybrid-batteries-tease-big-energy-capacity-while-charging-in-sec/[/url] Go EV industry!

Anything electrical with super in front of it seems to automaticly be ten times better.

UNLIMlTED POWEEEERRRR [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiCznGaex2c[/media] etc.

[QUOTE=Nerts;26080911]Anything electrical with super in front of it seems to automaticly be ten times better.[/QUOTE] anything with super in front of it is 10 times better [img]http://www.alitacrew.org/widget/preview/SuperSaiyan.png[/img]

Sounds like they still need a fair bit of work before they become practical. I always love what the future brings though.

[QUOTE=Nerts;26080911]Anything electrical with super in front of it seems to automaticly be ten times better.[/QUOTE] Announcing the Toyota Superprius! 780 horsepower, 0 to 100 in 2.7 seconds, and can go 8500km on a single charge!

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;26081025]anything with super in front of it is 10 times better [img_thumb]http://www.alitacrew.org/widget/preview/SuperSaiyan.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Especially if you add a number to the end.

Coilgun please.

[B]"The catch is that the hybrids have shorter life spans of 20,000 cycles compared to millions of cycles for typical ultracapacitors"[/B] isnt that ridiculously poor

[QUOTE=Anteep2;26081781][B]"The catch is that the hybrids have shorter life spans of 20,000 cycles compared to millions of cycles for typical ultracapacitors"[/B] isnt that ridiculously poor[/QUOTE] But it charges in seconds!

And yet they can't come up with a car design that doesn't make it look like a milkjug on tiny wheels

[quote]hybrids have shorter life spans of 20,000 cycles compared to millions of cycles for typical ultracapacitors[/quote] [quote]Ioxus says the hybrid devices can store more than double the energy of traditional ultracapacitors and charge in a matter of seconds[/quote] Someone do the math, which is one is more bang for the buck, please. But charging in a matter of seconds sounds really appealing to me. Let's say I played an online FPS game. Batteries ran out, I got my head decapitated, I raged, charged the batteries in a matter of few seconds, and went on with my online rampage. Pretty cool, tbh. But you gotta do that more often.. :ohdear:

[QUOTE=Nerts;26080911]Anything electrical with super in front of it seems to automaticly be ten times better.[/QUOTE] Super electro-dragon. :science::vd:

Also, you technically need just one set of batteries? Or do they lose their potency over time in use?

Doesn't anyone realize these are not batteries but capacitors? Or perhaps that's where hybrid comes in. But capacitors usually charge instantly (cause they are small and only hold a small charge).

[QUOTE=sami-pso;26082028]Doesn't anyone realize these are not batteries but capacitors? Or perhaps that's where hybrid comes in. But capacitors usually charge instantly (cause they are small and only hold a small charge).[/QUOTE] Yeah those green things in the OP don't look like the normal batteries I know, but I just thought they were the new type of batteries in an early state of development, or something

[QUOTE=Anteep2;26081781][B]"The catch is that the hybrids have shorter life spans of 20,000 cycles compared to millions of cycles for typical ultracapacitors"[/B] isnt that ridiculously poor[/QUOTE] Imagine that thing sitting in your tv. after 20000 times of turning it on they go poof. I don't know how many times you turn on your tv on avarage, but if you turn it on 10 times a day, it will go poof in roughly 5,5 years. (which should be noted isn't that bad these days for a tv, but for a car it is)

[quote][B]"The catch is that the hybrids have shorter life spans of 20,000 cycles compared to millions of cycles for typical ultracapacitors"[/B] isnt that ridiculously poor[/quote]feasible Gauss Rifle anybody? :science: Charges really fast and discharges large volumes of electricity, there's something it'd be good for.

[QUOTE=Nerts;26080911]Anything electrical with super in front of it seems to automaticly be ten times better.[/QUOTE] b-but they said double...

Ima do the math for you guys. A typical Lithium Ion car can get 320 kilometers per charge (These batteries have the same energy density). 320*20000= 6,400,000 A 6 million kilometer battery life span isn't that bad guys. The average american drives 53 kilometers a day, so it would take around 120754 days, or 335 years to drive till the battery pack dies.

I was actually thinking about this the other day, I came up with this! They stole my idea, KIOADISU()*#E$@*DKSAO! I could of been rich. See, the goverment does get in our head and steal our ideas.

[QUOTE=Telepethi;26082632]b-but they said double...[/QUOTE] Logic has no place in this subforum.

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;26081184]Announcing the Toyota Superprius! 780 horsepower, 0 to 100 in 2.7 seconds, and can go 8500km on a single charge![/QUOTE] Going by that scaling up idea, doesn't that mean the process of building a SuperPrius absolutely [i]rapes[/i] the environment?

Cellphones that charge in seconds? Batteries that you don't have to plug into an outlet for half a day to charge? AWESOME! [editline]15th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;26084372]Ima do the math for you guys. A typical Lithium Ion car can get 320 kilometers per charge (These batteries have the same energy density). 320*20000= 6,400,000 A 6 million kilometer battery life span isn't that bad guys. The average american drives 53 kilometers a day, so it would take around 120754 days, or 335 years to drive till the battery pack dies.[/QUOTE] Yeah but fuckers will turn on the AC and the margarita machines and the toasters and shit and the battery will run out in seconds

[QUOTE=Anteep2;26081781][B]"The catch is that the hybrids have shorter life spans of 20,000 cycles compared to millions of cycles for typical ultracapacitors"[/B] isnt that ridiculously poor[/QUOTE] So far it would seem great to be only used in certain situations where needed.

[QUOTE=sami-pso;26082095]Imagine that thing sitting in your tv. after 20000 times of turning it on they go poof. I don't know how many times you turn on your tv on avarage, but if you turn it on 10 times a day, it will go poof in roughly 5,5 years. (which should be noted isn't that bad these days for a tv, but for a car it is)[/QUOTE] Just buy a new capacitor, can't be all that expensive, and the money you save from oil would probably add up to one capacitor or so

You can't charge an electric car in seconds, no one has that kind of electric hookup in their house. You would need some kind of industrial electrical connection. Not only that, but our ancient electric grid can't handle everyone charging their cars at once. We need more power plants and many more electric lines before we even think about fast charging.

Reminds me of the "Test Drive" ride from Disney world.

[QUOTE=Anteep2;26081781][B]"The catch is that the hybrids have shorter life spans of 20,000 cycles compared to millions of cycles for typical ultracapacitors"[/B] isnt that ridiculously poor[/QUOTE] well, so much for this

[QUOTE=Anteep2;26081781][B]"The catch is that the hybrids have shorter life spans of 20,000 cycles compared to millions of cycles for typical ultracapacitors"[/B] isnt that ridiculously poor[/QUOTE] I'm sure you would just swap batteries when that became the case. Remember though, let's say you get about 150 miles per charge. 150 * 20000 is still 3 million miles before a battery swap (give or take a few hundred thousand miles, since nothing in reality is exact.)