Anders Brevik declared sane, sentenced to at least 21 years in jail
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[QUOTE]Anders Behring Breivik has been found to be of sound mind and judgment and found guilty by a Norwegian court today. He has been sentenced to at least 21 years in prison.Breivik has previously stated that a ruling pronouncing him sane would validate his crime as a political act.
His sentence to “at least 21 years” means that every third year after the original sentence was delivered the court will consider whether he is still a danger to society.
Breivik pleaded guilty to killing 77 people in June 2011, first detonating a bomb in Oslo which left eight people dead, then on the same day killing 69 more – mostly teenagers – after going on a shooting [URL="http://rt.com/news/breivik-found-guilty-mind-460/#"]spree[/URL] at a Labour Party youth camp on Utoya Island.
Breivik claims he was protecting Norway against Islam and multiculturalism, which he accused the ruling Labour Party of promoting, and had promised to fight an “insanity” verdict that would deprive his act of political significance, calling psychiatric incarceration a [I]“fate worse than [URL="http://rt.com/news/breivik-found-guilty-mind-460/#"]death[/URL].”[/I]
[I]"I think we all can agree that on July 22, a barbaric thing happened," [/I]Breivik said while delivering a somewhat muddled closing statement in June.
[I]“I carried out a small barbarism to stop a greater barbarism,”[/I] he said, referring to his view that Norway’s [URL="http://rt.com/news/breivik-found-guilty-mind-460/#"]immigration[/URL]policies had created a [I]“demographic war”[/I] against non-Muslims, in which he felt obligated to defend himself.
Breivik’s lawyer Geir Lippestad had previously argued that to find Breivik insane would be a violation of his human rights, as it would deny him his role in carrying out “a political project.”
[I]"If we look at the basic human rights and take into account that the defendant has a political project – to see his actions as an expression of illness is to take away a basic human right, the right to take responsibility for one's own actions,"[/I] Lippestad insisted as the 10-week trial wrapped up in June.
The maximum 21-year sentence for Breivik could be extended if he is deemed a danger to society.
Breivik’s jail cell has been the subject of controversy. On the chance that Breivik was found not guilty by reason of insanity, Breivik would have been the sole patient of a psychiatric ward that cost 130,000 and 260,000 euro, built especially for him. According to Associated Press reports, 17 people would have been on staff to treat him.
As it is, Breivik currently occupies a three-room jail cell, equipped with a computer and treadmill, having access to a games room, television, newspapers and daily outdoor strolls. It is likely that he will now return to this cell.
Analysts had been conflicted on Breivik’s mental status. Initially, forensic psychiatrists Torgeir Husby and Synne Sørheim concluded that Breivik was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, in a report issued last December.
Following a massive wave of criticism from legal and psychiatric experts, the court decided to appoint two new psychiatrists, who in April found that Breivik was legally of sound mind.[/QUOTE]
Source: [URL]http://rt.com/news/breivik-found-guilty-mind-460/[/URL]
He won't be out for a lot longer than 21 years.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;37384593]He won't be out for a lot longer than 21 years.[/QUOTE]
How it works in scandinavia is that we just add another 21 years at the end of this one.
[QUOTE]As it is, Breivik currently occupies a three-room jail cell, equipped with a computer and treadmill, having access to a games room, television, newspapers and daily outdoor strolls. It is likely that he will now return to this cell.[/QUOTE]
That actually sounds like a pretty nice place to live.
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[QUOTE=Crimor;37384598]How it works in scandinavia is that we just add another 21 years at the end of this one.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know, I just wanted to say that before someone was all "21 years is not enough for that monster!"
the irony of his nationalism is his christianity
[QUOTE=squids_eye;37384605]That actually sounds like a pretty nice place to live.[/QUOTE]
AFAIK Norwegian prisons are basically less specialized psych wards. if there's going to be even the slightest chance of making Breivik more stable, the government needs to convince him that they're on his side. he is an incredibly paranoid person.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;37384605]That actually sounds like a pretty nice place to live.[/QUOTE]
Please don't start this.
He still doesn't have the ability to leave, go out with friends, and a lot more.
It's not like everyone's life is determined by where you live, just imagine if you yourself were locked up in your home and unable to leave [I]ever.[/I]
I'm not saying you were complaining about how he will live, but a lot of people do, so I figured I'd just get my thoughts out as soon as possible.
21 years in a state-paid hotel thanks to Norwegian pseudo-socialist laws and that leftie soft-on-crime attitude.
[QUOTE=Foxconn;37384641]21 years in a state-paid hotel thanks to Norwegian pseudo-socialist laws and that leftie soft-on-crime attitude.[/QUOTE]
Oh boy here we go
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His jail cell.
[QUOTE=Foxconn;37384641]21 years in a state-paid hotel thanks to Norwegian pseudo-socialist laws and that leftie soft-on-crime attitude.[/QUOTE]
... which work a lot better than what, say, the US is doing with its prisons.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;37384636]Please don't start this.
He still doesn't have the ability to leave, go out with friends, and a lot more.
It's not like everyone's life is determined by where you live, just imagine if you yourself were locked up in your home and unable to leave [I]ever.[/I]
I'm not saying you were complaining about how he will live, but a lot of people do, so I figured I'd just get my thoughts out as soon as possible.[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean to start anything, I'm aware spending the rest of your life in a cell would be pretty horrible regardless of how nice the cell is. I'm not an idiot.
This guy is though.
[QUOTE=Foxconn;37384641]21 years in a state-paid hotel thanks to Norwegian pseudo-socialist laws and that leftie soft-on-crime attitude.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Foxconn;37384641]21 years in a state-paid hotel thanks to Norwegian pseudo-socialist laws and that leftie soft-on-crime attitude.[/QUOTE]
go back to fast threads, stooge
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His jail cell.[/QUOTE]
Honestly doesn't look bad
And he could probably use that laptop to write a story or a book on why he did it.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37384705]And he could probably use that laptop to write a story or a book on why he did it.[/QUOTE]
You're late.
2083 Manifesto - his ideologies and reasons are well explained there.
[QUOTE=Foxconn;37384641]21 years in a state-paid hotel thanks to Norwegian pseudo-socialist laws and that leftie soft-on-crime attitude.[/QUOTE]
Too obvious, 0/10
Isn't the Scandinavian system based upon rehabilitation rather than straight up punishment hence why prisoners aren't locked in tiny concrete cells with nothing to do but get angry at each other?
[QUOTE=markg06;37384722]Isn't the Scandinavian system based upon rehabilitation rather than straight up punishment hence why prisoners aren't locked in tiny concrete cells with nothing to do but get angry at each other?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
[QUOTE=markg06;37384722]Isn't the Scandinavian system based upon rehabilitation rather than straight up punishment hence why prisoners aren't locked in tiny concrete cells with nothing to do but get angry at each other?[/QUOTE]
Bingo. We believe in rehabilitation, and therefore have encouraging institutions where patients or prisoners actually feel like they're working towards a goal, instead of sitting in a cell thinking of what they did and getting angry.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37384705]Honestly doesn't look bad
And he could probably use that laptop to write a story or a book on why he did it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's exactly why he has the laptop in there, he is going to write a book about his life some terrorist organizations etc.
I wonder if this guy ever will change. He just smiled when he received the sentence.
But at least this person is off the streets, and I guess that's what counts for most of us.
[QUOTE=Foxconn;37384712]You're late.
2083 Manifesto - his ideologies and reasons are well explained there.[/QUOTE]
The vast majority of 2083 was just copy and pasted from various other books though
That just makes it even more conclusive, in my mind, that he's a hopeless monster that shouldn't be in this world. The fact that he was declared sane [i]and still did what he did[/i]....I'm not sure where he came from but he needs to go back there posthaste. I suppose an endless stream of 21 year sentences will have to do, effectively a life sentence even if it isn't written down as one.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;37384761]I wonder if this guy ever will change. [b]He just smiled when he received the sentence. [/b]
But at least this person is off the streets, and I guess that's what counts for most of us.[/QUOTE]
Oh he won't, and I put in bold why he won't. Someone like this is best disposed of permanently. Whether that's a bullet to the brain, being launched into deep space with a week's supply of essentials, or locked away in jail until natural causes does them in doesn't matter, as long as they never see the light of day again.[QUOTE=Cone;37384632]AFAIK Norwegian prisons are basically less specialized psych wards. if there's going to be even the slightest chance of making Breivik more stable, the government needs to convince him that they're on his side. he is an incredibly paranoid person.[/QUOTE]
Oh there's no helping him. He'll never be a member of society. He's a shining example of why rehabilitation doesn't work for every criminal. He's one of those rare cases where there's no point in even trying.
I wonder if they let him keep playing WoW
[QUOTE=Foxconn;37384712]You're late.
2083 Manifesto - his ideologies and reasons are well explained there.[/QUOTE]
Hindsight is often a lot more clear and interesting than what one thinks before doing something like that. Given that he's been deemed sane, he may have a lot to reveal on what it takes to get where he ended up.
[editline]24th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=TestECull;37384772]That just makes it even more conclusive, in my mind, that he's a hopeless monster that shouldn't be in this world. The fact that he was declared sane [i]and still did what he did[/i]....I'm not sure where he came from but he needs to go back there posthaste. I suppose an endless stream of 21 year sentences will have to do, effectively a life sentence even if it isn't written down as one.
Oh he won't, and I put in bold why he won't. Someone like this is best disposed of permanently. Whether that's a bullet to the brain, being launched into deep space with a week's supply of essentials, or locked away in jail until natural causes does them in doesn't matter, as long as they never see the light of day again.
Oh there's no helping him. He'll never be a member of society. He's a shining example of why rehabilitation doesn't work for every criminal. He's one of those rare cases where there's no point in even trying.[/QUOTE]
He came from society, with beliefs formed in interactions with that society. Killing him would accomplish nothing - we can only learn from him.
You'd be surprised how close to 'monster' a broken world view can get you.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;37384774]I wonder if they let him keep playing WoW[/QUOTE]
WoW could actually be a good stimulus you know, prisoners work to earn wages that they can spend on MMO's that in turn promote teamwork and comradery.
[i]Also ninjalooting corpses.[/i]
I'm a big supporter of the rehabilitation schemes in Scandinavian countries, they're proven to be incredibly effective...
However, I don't want this guy to be rehabilitated. If he's in there for life, with no chance of getting out... it seems like a waste of time and resources to give him the same opportunities as others who;'re going to be reintroduced to society.
I feel like he should be given the absolute bare essentials in prison.
I'm guessing he'll try to suicide sooner or later.
The... amenities he's given access to in prison aren't there so that he gets rehabilitated - They're there so that he can remain sane, in touch with reality, and keeps from becoming much worse than he is now, as we often see happening in American prisons.
My mistake. I just assumed as it was in Norway it'd be going down the whole rehabilitation route.
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