Verizon to Everyone: CLENCH YOUR TEETH, WE'RE GOING IN DRY!!! (The Potential End of Net Neutrality) - Polidicks

[quote]Debate is back on in Washington on US regulations on “net neutrality” which bar Internet broadband providers from blocking or discriminating against services or content. A court case for which arguments were held this month brought by Verizon, one of the largest Internet service providers, challenges the “Open Internet” rule approved in 2010 by the Federal Communications Commission. The seemingly arcane rule, or changes to it, could have an important impact: some say it may determine whether fixed broadband providers can control what services flow throw their networks. “These rules provide an important safeguard both for innovation and investment on the Internet,” said David Sohn, an attorney with the Center for Democracy and Technology, which backs the FCC rules. Sohn said that if Verizon has its way, it and other providers like Comcast or AT&T could “play favorites,” by blocking or degrading services such as YouTube or Netflix to promote their own offerings or that of their partners.[/quote] Source: [url]http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/15/net-neutrality-debate-may-decide-future-of-netflix/[/url] Go collectively screw yourselves Verizon.

It's gonna suck major ass if they win.

That's dumb as shit.

When will organizations realize that there's no way to do this covertly? If ISP's put these rules in place that just means smaller independent ISP's will get more customers.

I'm an American, but I'm curious how this world effect the rest of the world if it were to happen.

[QUOTE=Geiger;42208930]When will organizations realize that there's no way to do this covertly? If ISP's put these rules in place that just means smaller independent ISP's will get more customers.[/QUOTE] Maybe when they see profits tank they will come crawling back.

Europe already threw net neutrality over board

I'm not particularly tech savy, but wouldn't a VPN fix any of these problems?

[QUOTE='[sluggo];42208970']I'm not particularly tech savy, but wouldn't a VPN fix any of these problems?[/QUOTE] They could deny VPN traffic. They could setup the internet as a whitelist, where you can only go to approved sites.

fuck you verizon scum of the fucking earth

its unlikely they'll win, mainly due to google seriously opposing it.

Wow they sounded just like those evil corporation CEO guys you see in cartoons.

[QUOTE=TheJoker;42208898]It's gonna suck major ass if they win.[/QUOTE] too bad they probably have enough stupid ignorant politicians on their side to do it

I suppose you could interpret this as ISPs saying their infrastructures are shit and they don't want to drop the money on them to allow them to support heavier internet traffic so instead they just want to throttle the shit out of anything they don't like.

[QUOTE=Gatsby;42209078]Wow they sounded just like those evil corporation CEO guys you see in cartoons.[/QUOTE] Whenever someone mentions Verizon (and many more companies), this is what runs in my head: [video=youtube;rrYnZ7ZxRe4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrYnZ7ZxRe4[/video]

even so they already have implemented some form of this by not carrying netflix and YouTube trafic as best as they could

Couldn't you just switch ISPs? Like somebody else mentioned, a smaller one could pop up and everyone would switch to it. If this goes through I'll probably just go outside, though.

[QUOTE=Agoat;42209163]Couldn't you just switch ISPs? Like somebody else mentioned, a smaller one could pop up and everyone would switch to it. If this goes through I'll probably just go outside, though.[/QUOTE] I know several people who have no other choice than Verizon for their Internet. I would be stuck to had it not been for comcast. They're both pretty awful companies, though. If I had a choice to switch to another company, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

This kinda shit makes me cry myself to sleep at night because it literally kills innovation, creation and communication.

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;42209203]I know several people who have no other choice than Verizon for their Internet. I would be stuck to had it not been for comcast. They're both pretty awful companies, though. If I had a choice to switch to another company, I'd do it in a heartbeat.[/QUOTE] Good point! I'm on FiOS, and I like the service itself but stuff like this guarantees that I'm not continuing that service when I move out.

ISPs need infrastructure in place. This is normally cables in the ground or wireless towers. These things are very expensive and often require a lot of permits from local authorities. So what you generally have is a monopoly on a certain kind of infrastructure in the area. For example, in my area I only have three choices for internet: AT&T (overpriced, heavy compression latent, poor customer support), Time Warner Cable aka Road Runner (overpriced, poor customer support [I seriously couldn't even get them to change my IP when I got attacked, they wanted to sell me their "static IP" plan" but I figured out that you basically get a static IP assigned to the mac address of the modem, so change modem equals new IP]), and Clear (I haven't experienced it myself but it is wireless internet). There has to be regulation on ISPs, heavy regulation. Most of your internet bill is pure profit for the ISPs. They're just milking it as long as they can.

[QUOTE=Kigen;42209305]ISPs need infrastructure in place. This is normally cables in the ground or wireless towers. These things are very expensive and often require a lot of permits from local authorities. So what you generally have is a monopoly on a certain kind of infrastructure in the area. For example, in my area I only have three choices for internet: AT&T (overpriced, heavy compression latent, poor customer support), Time Warner Cable aka Road Runner (overpriced, poor customer support [I seriously couldn't even get them to change my IP when I got attacked, they wanted to sell me their "static IP" plan" but I figured out that you basically get a static IP assigned to the mac address of the modem, so change modem equals new IP]), and Clear (I haven't experienced it myself but it is wireless internet). There has to be regulation on ISPs, heavy regulation. Most of your internet bill is pure profit for the ISPs. They're just milking it as long as they can.[/QUOTE] My Dad draws up the plans for cables going in the ground, and there's definitely some big wallets involved.

I've never had a problem with Verizon, we use them for TV/Phone/Internet and it has always been fast, never had any problems with security or support from them, don't see why I would even want someone else. Then again I don't do a lot of sketchy shit with my internet like a lot of people do, so that might be why.

[QUOTE=Agoat;42209163]Couldn't you just switch ISPs? Like somebody else mentioned, a smaller one could pop up and everyone would switch to it. If this goes through I'll probably just go outside, though.[/QUOTE]This may sound like what would happen in a capitalist society but its not the case. Especially if their competition know they can do it too and leave no one with an option. And they can simply crush smaller competition through sheer size.

[QUOTE=Agoat;42209163]Couldn't you just switch ISPs? Like somebody else mentioned, a smaller one could pop up and everyone would switch to it. If this goes through I'll probably just go outside, though.[/QUOTE]Not in the US, no; it's a patchwork of monopolies in many areas. [QUOTE=DrDevil;42208953]Europe already threw net neutrality over board[/QUOTE]Net neutrality isn't the same issue as NSA spying.

The ISPs in Canada/US have a clear oligopoly, they need to be tried and fined/imprisoned. Competitive rates are non-existent, there's obvious and blatant price fixing. "Laissez-faire" my fucking ass, clearly a situation where the most basic principles of capitalism have utterly failed in their purpose. I'd rather just have a crown corporation in Canada that provides internet/telephone service. I'd honestly rather have no choice over who my provider is, instead of having to put up with the extortionate and terrible service ISPs give you.

Rev up those lighters, we're gonna burn down some Verizon/XFinity offices if this shit passes. Not literally, but I mean for fuck's sake, how can we let a single corporation fuck around with our internet like this?

If this passes then I hope Google Fiber reaches me soon.

Death of net neutrality in USA only

Thank fuck for nordic governmental sensibility. This sort of regressive shit would never fly over here.