Wisconsin recount now underway

[MissZoey]

[QUOTE]Jill Stein has requested a full recount of the presidential election in Wisconsin, alleging that foreign hackers could have skewed the result by obtaining the state’s voter database and then filing bogus absentee ballots.

Stein, the Green party’s candidate in the presidential election, formally filed for a recount with Wisconsin authorities shortly before the state’s 5pm deadline on Friday. She also planned to request recounts in Michigan and Pennsylvania in the coming days.

Wisconsin’s election board agreed on Friday to the statewide recount. The process, including an examination by hand of the nearly 3 million ballots tabulated in the state, is expected to begin late next week after Stein’s campaign has paid the required fee, the Elections Commission said.

The state faces a 13 December federal deadline to complete the recount, which may require canvassers in Wisconsin’s 72 counties to work evenings and weekends to finish the job in time, according to the commission.

The Wisconsin filing, a copy which was obtained by the Guardian, focuses on a “significant increase in the number of absentee voters as compared to the last general election”. It had been thought that it would instead focus on the scale of Donald Trump’s victories in counties using only electronic voting.

“This significant increase could be attributed to a breach of the state’s electronic voter database,” Stein said in her petition regarding the rise in the number of absentee ballot filings. Trump won a narrow victory in the state against Hillary Clinton, surprising pollsters.
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[url]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/25/jill-stein-election-recount-clinton-trump-michigan-pennsylvania-wisconsin[/url]

[Miya]

if hillary actually wins due to recounts my sides would be lost to another dimension never to return

the amount of insanity that would occur due to it would be huge, even facepunch would be massively effected due to the toxxes. what happens to the people that already did the toxx escape clauses? What happens to starpluck? that alone would be amazing to watch and worth it

[Riller]

[QUOTE=Wii60;51430223]if hillary actually wins due to recounts my sides would be lost to another dimension never to return

the amount of insanity that would occur due to it would be huge, even facepunch would be massively effected due to the toxxes. what happens to the people that already did the toxx escape clauses?[/QUOTE]

Please win, Hillary. Do it for Smurfy!

[Samiam]

I have a feeling this won't lead anywhere just like the recount in 2000, but hope is still hope.

[editline]27th November 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;51430231]says a lot about a country when people throw fits and want to recount fifty times to be sure their favourite candidate lost lol[/QUOTE]

Says a lot about a country when the loser gets 2.1 million more votes than the winner.

Additionally, Jill Stein ordered the recounts, she is not associated with Clinton.

[Thelurker1234]

#doitforsmurfy

[booster]

[QUOTE=Samiam22;51430233]

Says a lot about a country when the loser gets 2.1 million more votes than the winner.

Additionally, Jill Stein ordered the recounts, she is not associated with Clinton.[/QUOTE]

This shouldn't matter though right? The one who gets the most delegates win. I mean, blame the player not the game.

[Kljunas]

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;51430231]says a lot about a country when people throw fits and want to recount fifty times to be sure their favourite candidate lost lol[/QUOTE]

Why would you not want to be sure?

It's such a major event, it's pretty reasonable to double check the results.

[Samiam]

[QUOTE=booster;51430244]This shouldn't matter though right? The one who gets the most delegates win. I mean, blame the player not the game.[/QUOTE]

It's pretty understandable to be upset at winning the EC but losing the popular vote, because it is actually a pretty rare event. Before Trump did it this year, the last time it happened was with Bush in 2000, and the time before that was in 1888 with Benjamin Harrison. Of the 5 people it has not happened to, only one of them was not a Republican (John Quincy Adams), instead he belonged to a political party that no longer exists (Democratic-Republican).

[coup]

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;51430231]says a lot about a country when people throw fits and want to recount fifty times to be sure their favourite candidate lost lol[/QUOTE]

Yeah, let's just ignore the possibility of foreign influence and hackers screwing with our election results!

Comments like these make no sense to me, you complain about people whining when you're whining yourself.

[Mr. Someguy]

[QUOTE=Wii60;51430223]if hillary actually wins due to recounts my sides would be lost to another dimension never to return[/QUOTE]

It won't happen, from what I've read lately Pennsylvania is very hard to get a recount in and would be next to useless. Not only because the deadline is Monday, or because PA's voting machines are decades old and do not print a physical copy of the vote, so a hacked voting machine would leave no paper trail. It's because in order to trigger a recount the lead needs to be less than 0.5%, which Trump's is higher than that. The only other method is going to court, where the judge will have to rule that there is evidence that voter fraud [I]probably[/I] occurred, so beyond a reasonable doubt. Voter results vs exit polls isn't a strong enough argument for that kind of ruling, with the exception of a catastrophic difference (more votes than voters, or a landslide in the exit polls vs an opposing landslide in the total votes).

TL;DR: PA will not recount, and Hillary cannot steal the election without PA.

[Laferio]

Trump is currently at 306 electoral votes.

If hillary wins WI back, it'll put trump at 296. So lets not only give WI to hillary, but lets also give her MI. Puts trump at 280.

She literally cannot do this without PA.

[Simplemac3]

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51430277]It won't happen, from what I've read lately Pennsylvania is very hard to get a recount in and would be next to useless. Not only because the deadline is Monday, or because PA's voting machines are decades old and do not print a physical copy of the vote, so a hacked voting machine would leave no paper trail. It's because in order to trigger a recount the lead needs to be less than 0.5%, which Trump's is higher than that. The only other method is going to court, where the judge will have to rule that there is evidence that voter fraud [I]probably[/I] occurred, so beyond a reasonable doubt. Voter results vs exit polls isn't a strong enough argument for that kind of ruling, with the exception of a catastrophic difference (more votes than voters, or a landslide in the exit polls vs an opposing landslide in the total votes).

TL;DR: PA will not recount, and Hillary cannot steal the election without PA.[/QUOTE]

PA's usually blue so that's extra lame

I know I had issues getting the fucking machine to take my vote when I went out to do so

[AntonioR]

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;51430269]Yeah, let's just ignore the possibility of foreign influence and hackers screwing with our election results!

Comments like these make no sense to me, you complain about people whining when you're whining yourself.[/QUOTE]

Just imagine it actually happening to a superpower like USA. If it were true USA will be so embarrassed.

[Sims_doc]

Then suddenly every state does a recount that would make my day.

[DogGunn]

If the recount produces any result other than Trump winning the State, hello Constitutional Crisis.

[BlackMageMari]

[QUOTE=DogGunn;51430328]If the recount produces any result other than Trump winning the State, hello Constitutional Crisis.[/QUOTE]

Why would it be a constitutional crisis if it was just a normal recount? If rigging is discovered I can see why, but if it's just a normal recount, why would there be a crisis?

[Vlevs]

*Rigging in progress*

[DogGunn]

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51430331]Why would it be a constitutional crisis if it was just a normal recount? If rigging is discovered I can see why, but if it's just a normal recount, why would there be a crisis?[/QUOTE]

Because what does the State electors vote for in the Electoral College?
They would likely be other States doing a recount if it was close

[PsychedelicLiz]

This election is going down in history, no matter the spin put on it.

[Anti Christ]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51430254]There's nothing wrong with having a recount regardless of what candidate you support. The will of the people should be respected regardless.[/QUOTE]

You're right. The person with fewer votes should not win the election, and as such, Trump should respect the will of the people and concede. This is the only post you've ever made that is accurate.

[Pseudonym]

[QUOTE=Megadave;51430339]This election is going down in history, no matter the spin put on it.[/QUOTE]

Not really. The Democrats simply did what the Republicans had done in the past 2 elections, and likely would've done again if Trump had failed in the primary.

[dark soul]

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;51430231]says a lot about a country when people throw fits and want to recount fifty times to be sure their favourite candidate lost lol[/QUOTE]

I thought republicans were the party that always threw these types of fits, but now we see that both parties have their share of dumb people. Texas tried to secede when Obama won, and now you got the same shit with California and Trump. You had Trump people calling the election rigged and you have Hillary people calling it rigged. You had people say that Obama was unfit to be president and now you have the same thing with Trump.

[Crumpets]

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;51430231]says a lot about a country when people throw fits and want to recount fifty times to be sure their favourite candidate lost lol[/QUOTE]

says a lot about a country when they try make sure democracy is being excercised fairly lol.

[Crumpets]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51430396]Ah, so you agree the Brexit vote was legitimate since the popular vote won.[/QUOTE]

not in this thread please

[Occlusion2018]

Has anyone ever won the election thanks to a recount? I imagine it'd be chaos.

[Anti Christ]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51430396]Ah, so you agree the Brexit vote was legitimate since the popular vote won.[/QUOTE]

"Quick, deflect discussion!"
Stay on topic. Should trump respect the will of the people and step down, or ignore the fact that he lost the will of the people, and stay in power as a tyrant?

[BlackMageMari]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51430403]Sorry, didn't intend to start an argument about UK politics but this guy seems to think the popular vote seems to only be valid when it's in favor of his own interests[/QUOTE]

You're ignoring the fact Brexit was a non minding referendum rather than an election. Theyre not comparable.

[C O Y O T E]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51430396]Ah, so you agree the Brexit vote was legitimate since the popular vote won.[/QUOTE]

what are you even talking about

[Bazsil]

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51430419]You're ignoring the fact Brexit was a non minding referendum rather than an election. Theyre not comparable.[/QUOTE]

Presidency is not decided solely on popular vote, and the US isnt a democracy

[Mmrnmhrm]

[QUOTE=Cructo;51430410]The election should follow the constitutional rules that have been in place for decades tbh, I would think you would agree with that, yes?

[editline]26th November 2016[/editline]

I mean you don't want people suddenly violating the constitution in favor of their own interests, right?[/QUOTE]

Exactly, so in the unlikely event that the Clinton is elected by the electors you should be completely fine with it.