UN's Ban Ki-moon warns Israel of 'fatal blow' to peace
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[B]Israeli settlement plans in a strategically sensitive area of occupied land near East Jerusalem would deal "an almost fatal blow" to peace hopes, UN head Ban Ki-moon has warned.[/B]
Palestinians in East Jerusalem could be completely cut off from the rest of the West Bank, he said.
Israel authorised 3,000 additional housing units a day after the UN voted to upgrade Palestinian status.
Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to continue with the building plans.
[B]The UN General Assembly backed a proposal on Thursday by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to change the Palestinians' status at the UN to that of non-member observer state.
In a statement on Sunday, Mr Ban expressed "grave concern and disappointment" over the 3,000 newly authorised Israeli settlement units in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.[/B]
But he was most adamant that any plans to build in the so-called E1 area - between Jerusalem and the West Bank settlement of Maaleh Adumim - should be rescinded. An Israeli official has described the proposals in the E1 zone as "preliminary zoning and planning work".
"It would represent an almost fatal blow to remaining chances of securing a two-state solution," Mr Ban said.
The US said earlier the expansion plan was counter-productive and would make it harder to resume peace talks, and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said she was "extremely worried" by prospects of large-scale construction.
Mahmoud Abbas has called for an end to settlement building and a return to peace talks.
Returning from New York on Sunday, he told thousands of flag-waving supporters in Ramallah: "Now we have a state."
At a meeting on Sunday of the Israeli cabinet, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the Palestinian campaign as a "gross violation" of previous agreements with Israel.
And he also brushed off international criticism of Israel's settlement plans.
[B]"We will carry on building in Jerusalem and in all the places that are on the map of Israel's strategic interests," he added.
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Plans for construction in the E1 envelope are strongly opposed by Palestinians, who say such development will prevent the creation of a contiguous Palestinian state.
The Israeli announcement of its settlement plans was a first indication of Israeli anger, less than 24 hours after the vote on Palestinian status was held at the UN, the BBC's Kevin Connolly in Jerusalem says.
[B]In a separate development, the Israeli government also said that it would be stopping a $100m (£62m) transfer of tax revenues that it collected on behalf of the Palestinian Authority.[/B]
Israel said it was because the Palestinians had not settled a $200m debt to an Israeli electricity firm.
However, Israeli Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz warned last month that if the Palestinians went ahead with the UN bid Israel would "not collect taxes for them and we will not transfer their revenues".
About 500,000 Jews live in more than 100 settlements built since the occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
The settlements are considered illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.
Two decades of on-off negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority have failed to produce a permanent settlement, with the latest round of direct negotiations breaking down in 2010.[/QUOTE]
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It's ridiculous how far this is going.
If the U.S. just stopped supporting them they would stop this shit immediately.
If they threatened to stop supporting them, I think if the US stopped supporting them then the Israeli government would really start acting with no fucks given.
[QUOTE=Blackfire76;38686005]It's ridiculous how far this is going.
If the U.S. just stopped supporting them they would stop this shit immediately.[/QUOTE]
Haha, no.
Israel would continue to do this if every country in the world declared war on them. American support really doesn't encourage them as much as many think.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38686036]Haha, no.
Israel would continue to do this if every country in the world declared war on them. American support really doesn't encourage them as much as many think.[/QUOTE]
They would be fucked without the US.
[QUOTE=Mike42012;38686045]They would be fucked without the US.[/QUOTE]
not really...we kinda get most of our cutting edge military technology from Israel...
GO ISRAEL!
'cause God
i assumed they banned someone
eh Ban Ki-Moon you my boy, keep up the good work.
don't let them talk down to you, know what i'm saying?
I hope everyone understands that this happening will have absolutely no effect on the Israeli government.
Go Bibi.
[QUOTE=SickJits;38686050]not really...we kinda get most of our cutting edge military technology from Israel...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, right.
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[QUOTE=Mike42012;38686091]Yeah, right.
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my father actually worked for lots of these companies including SpaceX
government defense contracts (not SpaceX)
you wanna know who the generals were that came in to check on the products?
Israeli generals. they buy the stuff, take it to Israel, Israeli engineers modify it, super power it and sell it back to us
Of course Israel doesn't want peace, how could they get away with ethnically cleansing areas of the west bank if the Palestinians weren't perceived as a threat?
[QUOTE=SickJits;38686112]Israeli generals. they buy the stuff, take it to Israel, Israeli engineers modify it, super power it and sell it back to us[/QUOTE]
These companies have superior engineers to Israel's defense contractors. Why would this near-conglomerate allow Israeli companies a piece of their sales?
i'd say he's right
Aww shit, the UN is gonna step up from stern talking to actual yelling.
Next they'd slap them.
[QUOTE=Mike42012;38686045]They would be fucked without the US.[/QUOTE]
40 years ago yes. Today - they are essentially the sole military power in the area with any modern technology to speak off.
[QUOTE=SickJits;38686050]not really...we kinda get most of our cutting edge military technology from Israel...
GO ISRAEL!
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Uhm. It's the other way around.
[QUOTE=SickJits;38686112]my father actually worked for lots of these companies including SpaceX
government defense contracts (not SpaceX)
you wanna know who the generals were that came in to check on the products?
Israeli generals. they buy the stuff, take it to Israel, Israeli engineers modify it, super power it and sell it back to us[/QUOTE]
Sooo
Why isn't Israel fielding the F-22?
Or the DDX?
Or the abrams' armor and fire control?
And who supplies GPS?
How is Israel's MLRS going?
[QUOTE=scout1;38689802]Sooo
Why isn't Israel fielding the F-22?
Or the DDX?
Or the abrams' armor and fire control?
And who supplies GPS?
How is Israel's MLRS going?[/QUOTE]
Merkava is one of the best tanks in the world. They're not fielding the F-22 because you didn't give them enough money to lobby your government for them.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38692954]Merkava is one of the best tanks in the world. They're not fielding the F-22 because you didn't give them enough money to lobby your government for them.[/QUOTE]
Way to miss the point
[QUOTE=scout1;38693317]Way to miss the point[/QUOTE]
Israel does not have enough money to develop things like F-22's, they don't have a need either. Everything that they do develop seems to be a success so I don't see why you're downplaying their technological capability. Of coarse they don't have the R&D man power the US does.. they're a country of 9mn. And just for the record, the Merkava outclasses the Abrams.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38693353]Israel does not have enough money to develop things like F-22's, they don't have a need either. Everything that they do develop seems to be a success so I don't see why you're downplaying their technological capability. Of coarse they don't have the R&D man power the US does.. they're a country of 9mn. And just for the record, the Merkava outclasses the Abrams.[/QUOTE]
And you're completely ignoring the point. Israel does not develop military technologies that become widespread or exported. The US does not get its military tech from Israel. In fact, Israel has no comparable systems, infrastructure, or technical knowledge for a damn lot of the US' armory. His claim that Israel 'superpowers' techs and gives them back or some nonsense is just that - nonsense.
[QUOTE=scout1;38693396]And you're completely ignoring the point. Israel does not develop military technologies that become widespread or exported. The US does not get its military tech from Israel. In fact, Israel has no comparable systems, infrastructure, or technical knowledge for a damn lot of the US' armory. His claim that Israel 'superpowers' techs and gives them back or some nonsense is just that - nonsense.[/QUOTE]
They do export their technology and weapon systems. I don't know why he said that the US is using their technology, and to be honest I don't care.
You're missing my point. They aren't fielding the F-22 because it is extremely expensive, they aren't fielding the M1 Abrams because its a outdated tank that does not fit their needs and they aren't fielding the DDX because its way to expensive. It all comes down to price, Israel is a small country but they are a technological leader in the middle east.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38693471]They do export their technology and weapon systems. I don't know why he said that the US is using their technology, and to be honest I don't care.
You're missing my point. They aren't fielding the F-22 because it is extremely expensive, they aren't fielding the M1 Abrams because its a outdated tank that does not fit their needs and they aren't fielding the DDX because its way to expensive. It all comes down to price, Israel is a small country but they are a technological leader in the middle east.[/QUOTE]
None of that matters. Nobody was contesting your points, even as wrong as you are. You just jumped in to defend the claim that Israel is somehow lord of all US military technology. You just established its not.
[QUOTE=scout1;38693502]None of that matters. Nobody was contesting your points, even as wrong as you are. You just jumped in to defend the claim that Israel is somehow lord of all US military technology. You just established its not.[/QUOTE]
How is what I said wrong?
[QUOTE=SickJits;38686112]my father actually worked for lots of these companies including SpaceX
government defense contracts (not SpaceX)
you wanna know who the generals were that came in to check on the products?
Israeli generals. they buy the stuff, take it to Israel, Israeli engineers modify it, super power it and sell it back to us[/QUOTE]
my dad was an astronaut too
[QUOTE=laserguided;38693353]And just for the record, the Merkava outclasses the Abrams.[/QUOTE]
Proof?
[QUOTE=Soldier32;38693693]my dad was an astronaut too[/QUOTE]
He was actually the manager of the Q/C Inspection departments at most of those places
clarification: he used really big machines on really expensive pieces to lots of modern military technology to find really really tiny imperfections
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38693834]Proof?[/QUOTE]
You can form your own opinion. I'm not going to sit here and argue over it. I think the Merkava is superior to the Abrams because of its crew safety, armour. Do your own research, form your own opinion.
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