Mankind Derided (The Jimquisition) - General

[video]https://youtu.be/9sBtkU2eJ4Y[/video] Here is Jim Sterling's two cents on the microtransactions in Deus Ex: Mankind Divided.

I've never needed to use MT in MD in order to make it easier or complete it.

He used FP's Deus Ex thread as a source of information. Neat!

......Arthur fowler died in 1996

[QUOTE=Aide;50968295]I've never needed to use MT in MD in order to make it easier or complete it.[/QUOTE] Which makes the microtransactions seem more pointless than outright "piss on the floor and yell at me to clean it up" levels of insulting. They're merely "slight me as I leave the shop" levels of insulting, which still stings as disrespectful to my intelligence and integrity, but doesn't make me want to jab Squenix right in the eyeballs. Though in a way, it's kind of laughable that they try this, since by assuming we're so weak-willed and foolish as to make use of such singleplayer microtransactions, it makes Squenix itself look more weak-willed and foolish than the average bear-joe.

Oh hey, FP post at 5:52. Wait so Jim Sterling actually browses FP?

[QUOTE=pip12345;50968354]Oh hey, FP post at 5:52. Wait so Jim Sterling actually browses FP?[/QUOTE] Unlikely. Was just linked by someone probably

[QUOTE=pip12345;50968354]Oh hey, FP post at 5:52. Wait so Jim Sterling actually browses FP?[/QUOTE] Can't confirm or deny if he actually browses FP but that particular screenshot was a cross-post on [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/Deusex/comments/4z65rh/what_the_hell_square_is_this_for_real_single_use/]Reddit.[/url] (Though the OP on the same Reddit thread is also from FP).

[QUOTE=pip12345;50968354]Oh hey, FP post at 5:52. Wait so Jim Sterling actually browses FP?[/QUOTE] Picture was probably taken from the Reddit thread about the Pre-order bonuses being one use. [B]Edit:[/B] As mentioned above

[QUOTE=Aide;50968295]I've never needed to use MT in MD in order to make it easier or complete it.[/QUOTE] I don't know if he touches on Breach but that is the actual cancer of Mankind Divided. Later stages basically require you to buy microtransactions and if you fuck up too many missions in a row you literally have no recourse other than grinding previous missions (that steadly become more and more difficult until you can't do them anymore) or dropping real cash for ingame ammo and modifiers. The main games transactions are just the typical cynical, content-skipping garbage that has become popular in Squeenix games. I'm also not a fan of augments being locked behind day 1 DLC. It's a great game with an absolute parasite of a publisher.

There's literally no reason for it. It makes zero sense. Just a way to get a quick buck. Have a feeling this was not eidos decision.

[QUOTE=redBadger;50968951] Have a feeling this was not eidos decision.[/QUOTE] Why do people always think it's the big bad publisher and never the tiny innocent dev studio? These studios can be just as evil too.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50968983]Why do people always think it's the big bad publisher and never the tiny innocent dev studio? These studios can be just as evil too.[/QUOTE] It's not always the publisher but when such money generating tactics are employed across multiple games from multiple separate teams one has to wonder where the decisions are coming from.

Jim's hatred of completely optional microtransactions is beginning to piss me off. Plus his constant use of strawmen and hyperbole makes it really hard to watch these videos when you disagree with him.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50968993]It's not always the publisher but when such money generating tactics are employed across multiple games from multiple separate teams one has to wonder where the decisions are coming from.[/QUOTE]These sort of tactics are employed by many games from different companies too. It doesn't say much at this point.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50968983]Why do people always think it's the big bad publisher and never the tiny innocent dev studio? These studios can be just as evil too.[/QUOTE] because most of the time, it is the publisher forcing these things on the devs. its very rare, from what ive seen, that devs put this sort of nickel diming stuff by their own initiative. like in black ops 3, where things like attachment variants where supposed to be rewards for achievements, instead of gotten through crates you have to pay for through ingame currency/money. it was stated by the treyarch lead later on that this stuff was all pushed out by the publisher. I have no doubt in my mind that its the case here as well, especially with that whole 'augment your preorder' business that happened earlier.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50968983]Why do people always think it's the big bad publisher and never the tiny innocent dev studio? These studios can be just as evil too.[/QUOTE] A statement to keep in mind, for sure, but Squeenix has a reputation of forcing their hand into games in order to make more money- Hitman's episodic structure, Bravely Default's microtransactions, the theory that MD was split into a trilogy, etc.

[QUOTE=Rossy167;50969003]Jim's hatred of completely optional microtransactions is beginning to piss me off. Plus his constant use of strawmen and hyperbole makes it really hard to watch these videos when you disagree with him.[/QUOTE] Because as per usual its just stuff that would have been in the game otherwise but they cut it out and sell it to you in bits. It's a very annoying trend in gaming at the moment.

[QUOTE=Rossy167;50969003]Jim's hatred of completely optional microtransactions is beginning to piss me off. Plus his constant use of strawmen and hyperbole makes it really hard to watch these videos when you disagree with him.[/QUOTE] I like not getting sponged for my money for things that should've been in the game in the first place personally, but you're entitled to your opinion :v:

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50969342]Because as per usual its just stuff that would have been in the game otherwise but they cut it out and sell it to you in bits. It's a very annoying trend in gaming at the moment.[/QUOTE] It's not really though. It's not cut content or missing missions. it's items and things to get through the game with. I think it's monumentally stupid and it does bother me, but it's not exactly that clear cut.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50969342]Because as per usual its just stuff that would have been in the game otherwise but they cut it out and sell it to you in bits. It's a very annoying trend in gaming at the moment.[/QUOTE]Its literally not. [editline]29th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Mining Bill;50969766]I like not getting sponged for my money for things that should've been in the game in the first place personally, but you're entitled to your opinion :v:[/QUOTE]And yours is wrong because it wasn't shit that was going to be in the game to begin with.

[QUOTE=Mining Bill;50969766]I like not getting sponged for my money for things that should've been in the game in the first place personally, but you're entitled to your opinion :v:[/QUOTE] Well that's not MD's case, the store only sells Praxis kits and credits for the singleplayer part.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50969832]Its literally not. [editline]29th August 2016[/editline] And yours is wrong because it wasn't shit that was going to be in the game to begin with.[/QUOTE] yeah I shoulda been more specific, but there are augments and iirc guns that you have to buy with real life dosh

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50968983]Why do people always think it's the big bad publisher and never the tiny innocent dev studio? These studios can be just as evil too.[/QUOTE] Because unlike the game studio most of the time, the Publisher is out to get the most amount of money they can out of a game, because that's what they do. They have no investment in a game otherwise, they are there to make money and that's it. Thus since Publishers have the most interest in making money from these games, they're more than likely to be the one that implement money-making schemes like this. This goes doubly, doubly so for good games, because as a game dev you cannot make a good game without having emotional investment in a game. Thus, until proof comes out otherwise, Publishers will always be the target when it comes to schemes like this.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50968983]Why do people always think it's the big bad publisher and never the tiny innocent dev studio? These studios can be just as evil too.[/QUOTE] Because, in this case, Square Enix has the reputation of implementing similar microtransaction structures in other games they publish. I'm not saying that devs can't be the guilty party (and some clearly are at times), but when you start to see a pattern where multiple games under the same publishers have them, who else can you blame really?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50969778]It's not really though. It's not cut content or missing missions. it's items and things to get through the game with. I think it's monumentally stupid and it does bother me, but it's not exactly that clear cut.[/QUOTE] They've made certain objects in the game cost more in game money to try and get people to pay real money for them. For a full price release that's pretty gross, that's the sort of shit that's only acceptable in F2P games.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50970550]They've made certain objects in the game cost more in game money to try and get people to pay real money for them. For a full price release that's pretty gross, that's the sort of shit that's only acceptable in F2P games.[/QUOTE] Having played as much as I have and never having noticed that, while yes I consider it stupid, it hasn't affected my game. I'm still on play through 1 and I've already got almost max praxis points for the one run.

jim's a bit of a twat :v:

[QUOTE=Rossy167;50969003]Jim's hatred of completely optional microtransactions is beginning to piss me off. Plus his constant use of strawmen and hyperbole makes it really hard to watch these videos when you disagree with him.[/QUOTE] If you're delivered a nice cake with a thick lump of shit on the top you can still technically remove the lump of shit and eat the cake and enjoy it but you still had to deal with a lump of shit and for some people that's more than enough to dislike it. And they're totally justified.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50972469]If you're delivered a nice cake with a thick lump of shit on the top you can still technically remove the lump of shit and eat the cake and enjoy it but you still had to deal with a lump of shit and for some people that's more than enough to dislike it. And they're totally justified.[/QUOTE] Are you comparing some optional micro transactions that are barely there to literal shit on your food? That's really dumb and totally not comparable.