My friends and I bought some weed and cut a hole through the top and side of an apple. They had smoked before and I didn't. They told me the first time you smoke you don't get high. Is this true? I didn't get high but they did
Yes it's true for all drugs.
That's why it's okay to do meth, but only once.
First time I did it my friend who's bud we were smoking told me I might not get high (as some people don't on their first try), and if I didn't not to completely stray away from weed and think it's shit.
I did get high, however. Was a great night.
of course you get high your first time
unless you don't inhale the smoke properly. a lot of new smokers have this problem but i really dont know why, its common sense
[QUOTE=mac338;39167109]Yes it's true for all drugs.[/QUOTE]
What? No it's not :v:
Weed is probably the only drug that doesn't get you high/as high your first few times. And before someone claims this only has to do with proper inhaling, that's bullshit. It might be a factor in some cases, but there is definitely an underlying neurochemical reason for it as well.
I have introduced around 15-20 people to weed, always making sure they inhale deep and hold it in, as well as giving them huge amounts that would get me, with a substantially higher tolerance, high as balls. But out of those 15-20, only 4-5 actually felt it.
They can act very stoned, be red-eyed, say some pretty funny things and exhibit the usual signs of someone stoned, but they almost never "feel" anything different with them.
I imagine there must be some kind of chemical restructuring in the brain the first few times as the mere intensity of high produced from the doses I have given some people their first times should be recognizable as very, very odd even if you have never experienced a high before.
As far as I know there hasn't been any proper research conducted to find the neurobiological cause for this most curious oddity, so as of yet it remains one of the many mysteries of drugs.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;39167651]What? No it's not :v:
Weed is probably the only drug that doesn't get you high/as high your first few times. And before someone claims this only has to do with proper inhaling, that's bullshit. It might be a factor in some cases, but there is definitely an underlying neurochemical reason for it as well.
I have introduced around 15-20 people to weed, always making sure they inhale deep and hold it in, as well as giving them huge amounts that would get me, with a substantially higher tolerance, high as balls. But out of those 15-20, only 4-5 actually felt it.
They can act very stoned, be red-eyed, say some pretty funny things and exhibit the usual signs of someone stoned, but they almost never "feel" anything different with them.
I imagine there must be some kind of chemical restructuring in the brain the first few times as the mere intensity of high produced from the doses I have given some people their first times should be recognizable as very, very odd even if you have never experienced a high before.
As far as I know there hasn't been any proper research conducted to find the neurobiological cause for this most curious oddity, so as of yet it remains one of the many mysteries of drugs.[/QUOTE]
i cant count how many times ive been with a first time smoker, but literally the only ones that haven't got high are the ones who didnt inhale properly
i find it hard to believe that a drug wouldn't get you high the first time as i assume it does the same thing in your brain as it would on a subsequent dosing
i guess it depends what the person was expecting - i've been with people who have clearly been high as balls (red eyes, laughing at everything, acting dopey, etc) yet said they don't feel it their first time, and i have a few friends who have tried amphetamine and cocaine and clearly been wired as fuck yet say they don't feel anything. it could take that person another couple of times smoking before they realise what the effects of the drug are, but that doesn't mean they don't get high the first time - just that they dont realise they're high their first time
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;39167651]What? No it's not :v: [/QUOTE]
Shhh you're ruining my meth business
I didn't get high till the 3rd time.
[QUOTE=NotYou3;39167789]i cant count how many times ive been with a first time smoker, but literally the only ones that haven't got high are the ones who didnt inhale properly
i find it hard to believe that a drug wouldn't get you high the first time as i assume it does the same thing in your brain as it would on a subsequent dosing
i guess it depends what the person was expecting - i've been with people who have clearly been high as balls (red eyes, laughing at everything, acting dopey, etc) yet said they don't feel it their first time, and i have a few friends who have tried amphetamine and cocaine and clearly been wired as fuck yet say they don't feel anything. it could take that person another couple of times smoking before they realise what the effects of the drug are, but that doesn't mean they don't get high the first time - just that they dont realise they're high their first time[/QUOTE]
I suppose I worded it badly; they do get high in that they, as I said previously, exhibit the usual signs of someone who's high. But only a handful of them actually [I]feel [/I]it.
It doesn't make sense that it's solely because they don't realize what the effects are. If you have virgin tolerance and smoke 0.5-1g of dank weed you will [B]definitely [/B]know you are stoned out of your fucking mind even if you don't know what it is to be high as the mere intensity of the high is extremely overwhelming.
The most I've given first-timers is about 0.7-0.8g each to two people on one occassion. I myself did have some tolerance at the time, albeit not too much as this was straight after a 3 month break, but I was completely blown away while the other two said they only felt some tingling in their body and laughed more than usual. Note that the same two people got high as balls from ~0.2g of the same weed after having smoked a few times.
There was a similar development for myself. My first few times I smoked in a gravity bong, always the same amount, and I'm absolutely certain I took proper hits because the nature of the gravity bong is to force-push smoke down your lungs.
My first time I didn't feel shit, and I was kind of annoyed at this, thinking I had bought fake weed or something.
The second time I felt slight massage-like sensations through my body, but nothing strange in my mind.
The third time (note, still the same amount of weed) I was completely blown away into a dissociative, dream-like superhigh with an intensity that I could never achieve these days no matter how much I smoke, completely overwhelming body-high and the most fucked up thoughts and things going on in my head I had ever experienced before.
Obviously the transition of intensity from the second time to the third can in no way be explained by a "sudden realization of what it is to be high".
[QUOTE=NotYou3;39167789]i find it hard to believe that a drug wouldn't get you high the first time as i assume it does the same thing in your brain as it would on a subsequent dosing[/QUOTE]
This is rather naive to assume. The actions and workings of drugs on a neurochemical scale, particularly those of cannabinoids and psychedelics, are very complicated and barely understood at all.
In an effort to find out more about this phenomena and see whether some more serious studies have been conducted as of late due to the growing popularity of medical marijuana, I came up with this;
[QUOTE]Research has shown that small doses of cannabinoids from marijuana can signal the body to make more endocannabinoids and build more cannabinoid receptors. This is why many first-time marijuana users don't feel an effect, but by their second or third time using the herb they have built more cannabinoid receptors and are ready to respond. More receptors increase a person's sensitivity to cannabinoids; smaller doses have larger effects, and the individual has an enhanced baseline of endocannabinoid activity.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Building a tolerance is something most cannabis users are familiar with; however, few of them are aware of the ability to produce more receptors. An example of this phenomenon is in a new marijuana patient; often a first time user will experience little to no effect from the marijuana. Upon using a second time they notice a stronger effect from it. This is due to the fact that upon the first dose the body was signaled to increase its cannabinoid receptors and so was much more sensitive to the herb during the next dosage.[/QUOTE]
fair enough - i didn't know that smoking weed could signal the brain to create more cannabinoid receptors. i've never seen any actual evidence for this before - everything i've heard previously has been based on anecdotal evidence and my personal experience in the matter has been that only people who don't inhale the smoke properly don't get high their first time
do you think a similar thing could happen with other drugs too? i only felt a fraction of the effects of MDMA until my 3rd time using it and i have a number of friends who took a few tries to get anything at all out of cocaine and amphetamine, at least in terms of what they personally felt. like one time they did it it just hit them full force and has been the same since then
i thought that this could be due to them not realising the full effects of the drug and its subtleties (while still being under the effects) because it's something they'd never experienced before - and if this is the case, the same could be applied to people not feeling high their first time smoking weed
[QUOTE=Mr StrappedC4;39167102]My friends and I bought some weed and cut a hole through the top and side of an apple. They had smoked before and I didn't. They told me the first time you smoke you don't get high. Is this true? I didn't get high but they did[/QUOTE]
time to bust this high school myth once and for all,
ITS BECAUSE MOST KIDS DONT INHALE PROPERLY THEIR FIRST TIME
newbies dont inhale correctly, they drag the smoke in to their mouth but dont inhale it and get it in to their lungs. Happened to me when i first started cigarettes, never knew what all the hype was about until someone told me to inhale deeply. I did and POW got an awesome headrush
[QUOTE=NotYou3;39170290]fair enough - i didn't know that smoking weed could signal the brain to create more cannabinoid receptors. i've never seen any actual evidence for this before - everything i've heard previously has been based on anecdotal evidence and my personal experience in the matter has been that only people who don't inhale the smoke properly don't get high their first time
do you think a similar thing could happen with other drugs too? i only felt a fraction of the effects of MDMA until my 3rd time using it and i have a number of friends who took a few tries to get anything at all out of cocaine and amphetamine, at least in terms of what they personally felt. like one time they did it it just hit them full force and has been the same since then
i thought that this could be due to them not realising the full effects of the drug and its subtleties (while still being under the effects) because it's something they'd never experienced before - and if this is the case, the same could be applied to people not feeling high their first time smoking weed[/QUOTE]
Hmmh, I honestly don't know. Up until now I was certain that this initial reverse tolerance only occurred with weed, but I suppose it is fully possible that such a thing could occur with other drugs as well.
I have never heard about it though, and neither me nor any of my friends whom I have introduced to other drugs have experienced something like this, or at least told me about it/noticed it themselves.
Although now that I think of it opiates are similar to what you described; subtle, you generally have to take it a few times to be able to recognize the effects and fully enjoy it. An acquired taste.
Stims and MDMA aren't near as subtle as opiates though.
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[QUOTE=polarbear.;39170352]time to bust this high school myth once and for all,
ITS BECAUSE MOST KIDS DONT INHALE PROPERLY THEIR FIRST TIME
newbies dont inhale correctly, they drag the smoke in to their mouth but dont inhale it and get it in to their lungs. Happened to me when i first started cigarettes, never knew what all the hype was about until someone told me to inhale deeply. I did and POW got an awesome headrush[/QUOTE]
Did you read my posts, mate?
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;39171032]
Did you read my posts, mate?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, interesting point you brought up but from personal experience I don't think it's true that it takes a couple of times to kickstart your cannabinoid receptors
[QUOTE=Mr StrappedC4;39167102]My friends and I bought some weed and cut a hole through the top and side of an apple. They had smoked before and I didn't. They told me the first time you smoke you don't get high. Is this true? I didn't get high but they did[/QUOTE]
I didn't my first time either, and I was a smoker beforehand, I only got a little headrush the same way you do when you smoke cigs. Then again I did only have 2 burns, and the dude who bought it told me it was bad bud. I know it's been said before, but make sure you inhale into your lungs.
[QUOTE=polarbear.;39170352]time to bust this high school myth once and for all,[/QUOTE]
hahaha if only
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;39171032]Hmmh, I honestly don't know. Up until now I was certain that this initial reverse tolerance only occurred with weed, but I suppose it is fully possible that such a thing could occur with other drugs as well.
I have never heard about it though, and neither me nor any of my friends whom I have introduced to other drugs have experienced something like this, or at least told me about it/noticed it themselves.
Although now that I think of it opiates are similar to what you described; subtle, you generally have to take it a few times to be able to recognize the effects and fully enjoy it. An acquired taste.
Stims and MDMA aren't near as subtle as opiates though.[/QUOTE]
its not that mdma was subtle, its just the first two times when i had mdma i just felt really 'at peace' with everything and it had basically no stimulant qualities to it even though i had a large amount. my 3rd time it was complete in-your-face euphoria, empathy and stimulation and thats how its been ever since
i can kind of understand with amphetamine but i think the friend who reported that happening with cocaine either had shit coke or was sniffing it too hard (as he isn't very drug-educated) and it all would have just gone into his throat rather than his nasal pasages
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;39171032]The biological aspect of 'feeling' high.[/QUOTE]
As for the sociological/psychological factor as to why people dont feel it their first time, the Labeling Theory gives some insight. According to Howard Becker, who studied marijuana smokers of all usage (new, occasional, and regular) determined this. People who smoke for their first time with peers who have smoked before imitate the behavior of those around them and interpret it as enjoyable despite feeling uncomfortable. Even if they dont imitate those around them, they are taught by more experienced users that what they are feeling (new feelings they have never experienced before) are positive and to embrace the feeling of being high. In a sense you are labeling the high as a good thing. The more you do it, the more you recognize the feeling (which probably coincides with the biological aspect) as it fits into the label you created.
I got blazed as fuck the first time I got high
I didn't. I bought 2g and used the apple pipe trick and smoked it all with my friends. The ones that smoked before got high but I didn't. I never realized being with someone who is high when your is so boring.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;39174763]I got blazed as fuck the first time I got high[/QUOTE]
Ditto. Ripped a whole cone (or bowls, whatever you call it) in one go. My shoulders started feeling heavy as fuck after like half an hour and I was like, "lol, wut, isn't weed meant to make you feel light?" Went and had a second cone (also ripped it), still felt a bit heavy. Had a third cone a little later on and then I felt light as fuck.
Went and crashed on the couch with my friends watching Sponge Bob, eating shit loads of food, laughing at stupid shit, etc, etc. Was a good fucking night.
I call them cones as well haha this site makes me say bowl in real life sometimes and people always look at me like wtf
We have a bowl nearby filled with weed normally, so I'm glad 'bowl' isn't the standard word here or it'd get confusing fast.
I know it's been said, but I'd like to just reinforce the belief, that the whole notion of 'not getting high my first time smoking weed' is just a skewed misconception, in every instance it's almost always because the person in question was unable to inhale properly, and although others have pointed out how it is fairly common sense and should be quite simple to perform this action, I can understand how someone who has never smoked before might have an issue with understanding how proper inhalation is necessary or works. Most of the time, it's just the simple trouble of inhaling "all the way," not "long enough."
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[QUOTE=Stormcharger;39180013]I call them cones as well haha this site makes me say bowl in real life sometimes and people always look at me like wtf[/QUOTE]
To me cones have been joints shaped like:
[img]http://www.skunkrevolution.com/ekmps/shops/skunkrevolution/images/raw-natural-king-sized-cone-3-pack-811-p.jpg[/img]
and bowls:
[img]http://weedsmokersguide.com/pictures/Simple-Spoon-Pipe-Flecks.jpg[/img]
First time I got high I went pale and threw up, I think it's most likely the person not inhaling correctly rather than not being able to get high the first time.
my first time with weed I felt a mild buzz from the tobacco and then I felt relieved for about five minutes before feeling the same as I did before and thinking maybe I shouldn't have bought a spliff for £3.50 from the shifty poor kid who everybody hates
[QUOTE=Cruma;39181542]I know it's been said, but I'd like to just reinforce the belief, that the whole notion of 'not getting high my first time smoking weed' is just a skewed misconception, in every instance it's almost always because the person in question was unable to inhale properly, and although others have pointed out how it is fairly common sense and should be quite simple to perform this action, I can understand how someone who has never smoked before might have an issue with understanding how proper inhalation is necessary or works. Most of the time, it's just the simple trouble of inhaling "all the way," not "long enough."
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To me cones have been joints shaped like:
[img]http://www.skunkrevolution.com/ekmps/shops/skunkrevolution/images/raw-natural-king-sized-cone-3-pack-811-p.jpg[/img]
and bowls:
[img]http://weedsmokersguide.com/pictures/Simple-Spoon-Pipe-Flecks.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
What does the piece that holds the mix in a bong look like in America? Because here (in Aus) they're literally conical shaped, hence the name 'cone'.
[QUOTE=sltungle;39188479]What does the piece that holds the mix in a bong look like in America? Because here (in Aus) they're literally conical shaped, hence the name 'cone'.[/QUOTE]
We have those too. They tend to be the cheaper slides and bowls or "Cones". Most people that I know of that have a bong or similar device use 14mm and 18mm bowls and stuff.
Heres a pic of Jacques Sinclair, my ashcatcher/bubbler that uses a 14mm bowl.
[IMG]http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b523/PuppyDog69/1205121526b_zps3061b57d.jpg[/IMG]
Its the green looking piece with the raised squiggles on the side.
Ive heard people use the term "Bowls" to refer as a ~gram of weed and as the receptacle for said cannibinoids.
[QUOTE=sltungle;39188479]What does the piece that holds the mix in a bong look like in America? Because here (in Aus) they're literally conical shaped, hence the name 'cone'.[/QUOTE]
I have a new found comprehension and appreciation for your lands interpretation of the word cone.
The first time I smoked I got high, so you're doing it wrong
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