Microstamped firing pins may cause gun manufacturers to relocate
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[URL]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/28/microstamping-legislation-may-lead-remington-colt-to-relocate/?test=latestnews#ixzz24tnF9d9Y[/URL]
[quote]Microstamping, or ballistic imprinting, is a patented process that uses laser technology to engrave a [B]tiny marking of the make, model and serial number on the tip of a gun’s firing pin to allow an imprint of that information on spent cartridge cases.[/B] Supporters of the technology say it will be a “game changer,” allowing authorities to quickly identify the registered guns used in crimes. Opponents claim the process is costly, unreliable and may ultimately impact the local economies that heavily depend on the gun industry, including Ilion, N.Y., where Remington Arms maintains a factory, and Hartford, Conn., where Colt's manufacturing is headquartered.[/quote]
imo this is just stupid, not only are these marks easily removed by files and such, but regular gun functions can cause the removal of the mark, like if the firing pin penetrates the primer (shit happens) it would damage the firing pin and remove the mark.
Looks great on paper and in principle, but hellish and stupid in practice.
Just ban guns and all the problems will be solved!
everyone should only be able to buy bullets with his name imprinted :downs:
This is dumb. And how in hell is the engraving on the tip of the firing pin going to hold up past a couple firings?
Ontop of being thought police etc.
And really if it ever came to be criminals know about it so wow it takes all of 1 slide of the file across the pin and they've foiled your "game changer"
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;37455201]everyone should only be able to buy bullets with his name imprinted :downs:[/QUOTE]
A bullet with your name on it?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnFQkB0D0ww[/media]
One guy guns down another and runs off with the gun, leaving several cartridges on the ground which are quickly identified with these stamps. Serial number is easily traced back to the gun owner who is brought in by authorities (or something like that).
Works great [I]in theory. [/I]In practice it's just silly and wasteful.
[QUOTE=Sie-Sveinhund;37455248]One guy guns down another and runs off with the gun, leaving several cartridges on the ground which are quickly identified with these stamps. Serial number is easily traced back to the gun owner who is brought in by authorities.
Works great [I]in theory. [/I]In practice it's just silly and wasteful.[/QUOTE]
criminals go fishing for brass at a firing range
[QUOTE=Sie-Sveinhund;37455248]Serial number is easily traced back to the gun owner who is brought in by authorities.[/QUOTE]
except its not.
Guns aren't registered.
Unless you're in one of the few nanny states
[quote]Supporters of the technology say it will be a “game changer,” allowing authorities to quickly identify the registered guns used in crimes[/quote]
Except not many states use a gun registry, and only a fucking retard is going to use a registered gun in a crime. On top of that any gang banger is just going to file off the markings.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;37455270]except its not.
Guns aren't registered.
Unless you're in one of the few nanny states[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I keep forgetting that registration isn't a nationwide standard.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;37455212]this is completely fucking insane and anyone who believes this will work is beyond retarded.
not only will the markings go away from regular use, but do these idiots believe that people never change their firing pins, or are able to remove primers from used casings?
shoot someone, then reload the casing. throw away the used primer.
what now?[/QUOTE]
I have a feeling that those who make ant-gun legislation like this don't have guns, have no idea how they work and have never fired one in their life.
The closes they ever got to a gun was probably the one on the holster of a security guard at a bank.
[editline]29th August 2012[/editline]
Read further into the article a bit.
[quote]New York Assemblywoman Michelle Schimel, a Democrat and the chief sponsor of the microstamping legislation on semiautomatic pistols that was last considered by the state’s full Senate in 2010, said she believes Remington’s vow is merely a threat.
“Their main product isn’t even semiautomatic guns; the main thrust of what they do are long guns and military contracts,” Schimel told FoxNews.com. “As a former businessman, it would be foolish for them to leave the New York market. They are getting a lot of money from the state.”
Implementation of microstamping technology would cost roughly $12 per gun and would go a long way to helping solve crimes, she said.
“That’s the new threat: to move where that [gun] friendly state is,” she said. “It’s unfair of them to resist sensible regulation to save lives. It does not impact lawful gun ownership at all.”
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Assemblywoman Michelle Schimel is a complete fucktard. First off, if a business says it's going to move because they can't function in your area anymore, I seriously doubt it's a [I]threat[/I]. And what kind of gun company gets "a lot of money from the state"? If they have military contracts, that's money from the federal government which they can still have if they moved to Alabama. What the hell is NY giving them?
She says she's a "former businesswoman" yet it says it won't "impact ownership" - if it costs $12 more to make the guns, then the price of guns go up and that [I]impacts ownership.[/I]
What if I use a revolver?
What if I use a musket?
What if I used a cannon?
[QUOTE=nox;37455449]What if I use a revolver?[/QUOTE]
revolvers still have firing pins
unless you're talking about the really old ones
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37455469]What if I [B]used[/B] a cannon?[/QUOTE]
past tense? :tinfoil:
I would just grind the firing pin down a bit
On the other hand that thing has to be made out of something really tough for the markings to not go away
[QUOTE=Quark:;37455592]past tense? :tinfoil:[/QUOTE]
I was once a pirate.
[QUOTE=Tobba;37455634]I would just grind the firing pin down a bit
On the other hand that thing has to be made out of something really tough for the markings to not go away[/QUOTE]
Firing pins do break, and you'd be able to grind them down. Those markings will fade over time and I'm sure you'd have to pay out the ass to get a new firing pin with those engravings on it.
[QUOTE=Tobba;37455634]I would just grind the firing pin down a bit
On the other hand that thing has to be made out of something really tough for the markings to not go away[/QUOTE]
And then they call for firing pins to be made from diamond.
It probably also wouldent be too hard to forge it if you really wanted to
[editline]29th August 2012[/editline]
Or you could pick up some cases at the firing range and drop them at the crime scene
This would really be so forgeable it cant be used as evidance
So.. pick up the spent casings..?
Not that hard to solve, as other people have stated.
Wow, thanks for all the tips in here guys, I'm gonna go buy a pistol, go to the firing range and pick up some spent casings, and then go shoot someone!
Seriously you guys are criminal masterminds :v: Never would have thought of the firing range thing.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;37455503]revolvers still have firing pins
unless you're talking about the really old ones[/QUOTE]
They don't eject spent brass the same way a semi-automatic weapon does.
[QUOTE=DrLuckyLuke;37455181]Just ban guns and all the problems will be solved![/QUOTE]
Banning you would probably solve the problem instead.
On topic: This is probably not a very good idea, simply because the firing pin could be sanded down/replaced, just like some illegal weapons have the serial number sanded so that it is untraceable.
Buy a gun manufactured before this law went into effect. Problem solved.
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;37456217]Buy a gun manufactured before this law went into effect. Problem solved.[/QUOTE]
You don't even really have to bother with that, just put enough rounds through it for the stamp to wear off of the firing pin. Or collect your brass. Or file the stamp off. The list goes on.
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