Woman gives pigs water, now faces 10 years in prison - Polidicks

[quote]A Canadian animal rights activist could face up to 10 years in prison for giving water to pigs heading to the slaughter on a scorching summer day. Toronto resident Anita Krajnc, 48, was charged with criminal mischief after clashing with the driver of a tractor-trailer carrying pigs to an Ontario pork processing plant in June. Krajnc and a fellow protester tried to give the pigs water as the vehicle was stopped at a traffic light on the way to the Fearmans Pork processing facility, about 45 miles south-west of Toronto. A video of the incident shows the driver, identified in court documents as Jeffery Veldjesgraaf, climbing from the vehicle to confront Krajnc.[/quote] [url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/30/canada-woman-10-years-prison-for-giving-pigs-water]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/30/canada-woman-10-years-prison-for-giving-pigs-water[/url] Video in source.

[quote]He threatens to call the police and then asks: “What you got in that water?” When she replies that it is just water, he says: “How do I know?”[/quote] That's a point of concern. [quote]He told the Guardian he was concerned for both the safety of his product and that of the animal rights protesters, who sometimes crowd near the large transport vehicles when they are stopped in traffic. “We don’t have a fight with the protesters per se,” he said. “It’s a free country. Their views – we don’t agree – but they have a right to their opinion as we do ours. If they’d like to protest in a safe and reasonable manner, they’re afforded those rights.” [/quote]

While 10 years seems a bit harsh, I can understand the concern... Activists don't exactly have the best reputation. It could've easily been a case of - if she can't save the pigs, then punish the ones that'll eat them.

[QUOTE=Thlis;49261689]That's a point of concern.[/QUOTE] There are certainly QA issues since the water wasn't checked. It could be as malicious or benign as it appears to be, but I definitely understand the legal ramifications.

Fucking loonies. Running up to a truck and sticking your hands in it, that's pretty dumb. Lucky they didn't come out with broken arms. There's no reason to do this. Of course the driver isn't going to let you, it's on his ass if you're some wacko trying to get the animals sick, unsafe to eat, kill them, etc.

[QUOTE=Robman8908;49261704]Activists don't exactly have the best reputation.[/QUOTE] is activist a dirty word now

[QUOTE=Thlis;49261689]That's a point of concern.[/QUOTE] if they're off to be slaughtered there'd be no way for any toxins to be detected or otherwise passed through their system. For all intents and purposes this is 100% a case of potential contamination of product and requires proper investigation, resulting in wasted time and manpower over some little feelgood activism she deserves to stand trial and as usual, "up to 10 years" is rarely actually what anybody is pressing for, it's just the general high-end cap of what the punishment could entail

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49261714]is activist a dirty word now[/QUOTE] Considering PETA and the people that throw bombs into animal testing facilities...

oh is that all activism is

I don't think she should face jail time, maybe community service, but I don't see how she could do it with malicious intent.

[QUOTE=Megadave;49261736]I don't think she should face jail time, maybe community service, but I don't see how she could do it with malicious intent.[/QUOTE] poison in the water is how she could do it with malicious intent. Kill the pigs, taint the meat, harm the people who eat the food. Saying you're just giving them water on a hot day does not discredit the idea you could be a total looney

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49261714]is activist a dirty word now[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Kommodore;49261735]oh is that all activism is[/QUOTE] Are you seriously going to be this fucking obtuse?

[QUOTE=dai;49261745]poison in the water is how she could do it with malicious intent. Kill the pigs, taint the meat, harm the people who eat the food. Saying you're just giving them water on a hot day does not discredit the idea you could be a total looney[/QUOTE] Jesus fucking christ "animal activist" do this shit? well, I guess no ideal is safe from extremism anymore. but holy fuck. [editline]6th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Gray Altoid;49261751]Are you seriously going to be this fucking obtuse?[/QUOTE] He thinks he's being acute.

you mean astute and i just think it's an unfair generalization based on a few famous incidents but have at it

[QUOTE=Robman8908;49261704]While 10 years seems a bit harsh, I can understand the concern... Activists don't exactly have the best reputation. It could've easily been a case of - if she can't save the pigs, then punish the ones that'll eat them.[/QUOTE] I can certainly understand the fears behind that, giving the pigs infected water to spread disease among the folks who eat the pork. But I dunno, it seems a little too elaborate, and don't meat providers check the meat after slaughter to make sure it's safe for consumption? The point she was trying to make, I can probably understand too. Considering the mistreatment and disrespect present in the meat industry, giving pigs a refreshing on a hot day is the least people could do, especially considering that the animals are giving up their lives so we can have a reliable source of extreme protein in the national diet. Think of it as akin to giving dying soldiers a final smoke before they bleed out in the trenches. They've laid down their lives for the cause, so their last moments should be made pleasant. Though while it SHOULD happen, it should be done in a controlled manner, so no-one can just saunter up to a truck of pigs, give them water laced with radium and apple juice, then sit back as people start dropping like Alexander Litvinenko. (though he died from polonium poisoning, and people thought it got into him through a sushi restaurant thanks to a Russian saboteur)

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I understand the charges, but 10 years is flat out fucking retarded. It wasn't even mean spirited.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49261776]you mean astute[/QUOTE] No he doesn't.

[QUOTE=Robman8908;49261704]While 10 years seems a bit harsh, I can understand the concern... Activists don't exactly have the best reputation. It could've easily been a case of - if she can't save the pigs, then punish the ones that'll eat them.[/QUOTE] The problem isn't giving the pigs water, it is the fact an activist broke in and then gave substances that were unknown to anyone. If the person gave something that would infect the pigs meat and would harm thousands what would you do?

[QUOTE=ironman17;49261779]I can certainly understand the fears behind that, giving the pigs infected water to spread disease among the folks who eat the pork. But I dunno, it seems a little too elaborate, and don't meat providers check the meat after slaughter to make sure it's safe for consumption? The point she was trying to make, I can probably understand too. Considering the mistreatment and disrespect present in the meat industry, giving pigs a refreshing on a hot day is the least people could do, especially considering that the animals are giving up their lives so we can have a reliable source of extreme protein in the national diet. Think of it as akin to giving dying soldiers a final smoke before they bleed out in the trenches. They've laid down their lives for the cause, so their last moments should be made pleasant. Though while it SHOULD happen, it should be done in a controlled manner, so no-one can just saunter up to a truck of pigs, give them water laced with radium and apple juice, then sit back as people start dropping like Alexander Litvinenko. (though he died from polonium poisoning, and people thought it got into him through a sushi restaurant thanks to a Russian saboteur)[/QUOTE] I understand that she was trying to do either a good deed or an act of protest, but it would be trivially easy to feed the pigs antifreeze and wind up with a whole truckload of dangerously contaminated meat. Messing around with food is never okay in my book. Most governments stringently regulate the handling of food products. The guy driving the truck is part of a business that has gone to great lengths to ensure that their food is safe for public consumption. There's a whole chain of checks and precautions intended to ensure the safety of the food production cycle, accrediting every step in the process. You can't just throw in a totally unknown variable with some random intervention from a third party.

as much as this is ridiculous... this is in the same ball park as someone feeding your dog random crap, it's not the right thing to do at all and you'll be sanctioned...

[QUOTE=catbarf;49262067]I understand that she was trying to do either a good deed or an act of protest, but it would be trivially easy to feed the pigs antifreeze and wind up with a whole truckload of dangerously contaminated meat. Messing around with food is never okay in my book. Most governments stringently regulate the handling of food products. The guy driving the truck is part of a business that has gone to great lengths to ensure that their food is safe for public consumption. There's a whole chain of checks and precautions intended to ensure the safety of the food production cycle, accrediting every step in the process. You can't just throw in a totally unknown variable with some random intervention from a third party.[/QUOTE] That's what I was saying; while giving the farm animals good treatment SHOULD happen, it should be well-regulated. Aka not having strangers feed the livestock. Leave the refreshing summer drinks and "last meals" to the professionals.

[QUOTE=Megadave;49261764] He thinks he's being acute.[/QUOTE] Either way he's not even close to the right angle

This is how this should be handled: If the pigs turned out to be poisoned in any way from whatever this woman gave them, she should definitely face jailtime. Otherwise just release her.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49261714]is activist a dirty word now[/QUOTE] It's carried a bad connotation for quite some time now, especially when it comes to animal rights.

[QUOTE=dai;49261745]poison in the water is how she could do it with malicious intent. Kill the pigs, taint the meat, harm the people who eat the food. Saying you're just giving them water on a hot day does not discredit the idea you could be a total looney[/QUOTE] I don't think there's any poison that can be metabolized so quickly that it will taint the edible portions of the pigs but not almost immediately kill them. (Dead animals won't be introduced into the food supply) The contents of the stomachs of a lot of animals can make humans sick, that's why we don't eat it.

[quote]“Jesus said, ‘If they are thirsty, give them water,’” she tells him. Veldjesgraaf responds: “You know what?[b] These are not humans[/b], you dumb frickin’ broad.”[/quote] The concern of the possibility of there being poison in the water is definitely understandable, and I get that humans as omnivores need both meat and plants, but christ, this is honestly kind of a dumb excuse to disallow even just some kind of act of compassion to non-human animals, and I feel like people use it way too fucking much. The concern for possible poison in the water and the fact that it was a random stranger that was delivering it would have been just fine enough to justify not allowing the woman to mess around with that sort of thing.

[QUOTE=ironman17;49261779]The point she was trying to make, I can probably understand too. Considering the mistreatment and disrespect present in the meat industry, giving pigs a refreshing on a hot day is the least people could do, especially considering that [B]the animals are giving up their lives [/B]so we can have a reliable source of extreme protein in the national diet. Think of it as akin to giving dying soldiers a final smoke before they bleed out in the trenches. They've laid down their lives for the cause, so their last moments should be made pleasant.[/QUOTE] You say that like the pigs chose this. They aren't even capable of making that decision, they don't know what's going on. They are killed, they don't "give up their lives". Soldiers in combat made the decision to join the military knowing that their lives might be at risk, they weren't forced into it like pigs and other animals are.

Why would they even go out of their way to give the pigs water? They're going to be slaughtered anyway.

[QUOTE=Skerion;49262578]The concern of the possibility of there being poison in the water is definitely understandable, and I get that humans as omnivores need both meat and plants, but christ, this is honestly kind of a dumb excuse to disallow even just some kind of act of compassion to non-human animals, and I feel like people use it way too fucking much. The concern for possible poison in the water and the fact that it was a random stranger that was delivering it would have been just fine enough to justify not allowing the woman to mess around with that sort of thing.[/QUOTE] He was probably just kind of angry that some random woman started giving unidentified liquids to his paycheck. [editline]7th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;49263243]Why would they even go out of their way to give the pigs water? They're going to be slaughtered anyway.[/QUOTE] To feel better about themselves and act like self-righteous holier-than-thou annoying douchebags.