I feel like we should put this video on deep space satellites, since it would tell aliens about our ability to conceptualize beyond our reality and the formation of the universe (and life) is something we would have in common.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;53183933]I feel like we should put this video on deep space satellites, since it would tell aliens about our ability to conceptualize beyond our reality and the formation of the universe (and life) is something we would have in common.[/QUOTE]
Or they'd just be like "lol they got it wrong"
This made me wonder.. Since gravity merges galaxies together, what will happen when the universe is just one big galaxy? Will it create a super mega ultra black hole 9000?
[QUOTE=dannass;53184037]This made me wonder.. Since gravity merges galaxies together, what will happen when the universe is just one big galaxy? Will it create a super mega ultra black hole 9000?[/QUOTE]
Well that's the big question isn't it. Will it compress together and create a new big bang?
[QUOTE=dannass;53184037]This made me wonder.. Since gravity merges galaxies together, what will happen when the universe is just one big galaxy? Will it create a super mega ultra black hole 9000?[/QUOTE]
Very few galaxies are on a colliding course with each other. The space is just staggering. There will be no "one big galaxy".
of course there's Morgan Freeman
[QUOTE=dannass;53184037]This made me wonder.. Since gravity merges galaxies together, what will happen when the universe is just one big galaxy? Will it create a super mega ultra black hole 9000?[/QUOTE]
That really can't happen since the Universe is expanding - the expansion (which isn't limited by the speed of light as expanding space is not a material) gets even faster the further out you go. Gravity doesn't really stand a chance, but it's strong enough for denser structures to exist for now. We still aren't certain how things will end, but it appears that the dark energy we can't see and can only calculate dominates the more empty space there is, so it'll probably end up just expanding forever.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;53184147]of course there's Morgan Freeman[/QUOTE]
And, more importantly, David Attenborough
All a very romantic idea but science is flawed as much as religion is, for what we are told are lies spewed from whatever has brought us to this fake "reality" that we think we see and understand. I'm afraid the only real answer to life is death, and even then we may find we are caught in a never ending repeating spiral of the reincarnation created by the demiurge that has trapped us here. There may never be escape for us, but I guess then it would always be good to believe in something as ludicrously beautiful and mad as the idea of a big bang
[QUOTE=Cairn Trenor;53184245]All a very romantic idea but science is flawed as much as religion is, for what we are told are lies spewed from whatever has brought us to this fake "reality" that we think we see and understand. I'm afraid the only real answer to life is death, and even then we may find we are caught in a never ending repeating spiral of the reincarnation created by the demiurge that has trapped us here. There may never be escape for us, but I guess then it would always be good to believe in something as ludicrously beautiful and mad as the idea of a big bang[/QUOTE]
i mean one of those two flawed concepts has basis in reality with evidence to back it
[QUOTE=Cairn Trenor;53184245]All a very romantic idea but science is flawed as much as religion is, for what we are told are lies spewed from whatever has brought us to this fake "reality" that we think we see and understand. I'm afraid the only real answer to life is death, and even then we may find we are caught in a never ending repeating spiral of the reincarnation created by the demiurge that has trapped us here. There may never be escape for us, but I guess then it would always be good to believe in something as ludicrously beautiful and mad as the idea of a big bang[/QUOTE]
Just curious, how high are you right now?
[QUOTE=Cairn Trenor;53184245]All a very romantic idea but science is flawed as much as religion is, for what we are told are lies spewed from whatever has brought us to this fake "reality" that we think we see and understand. I'm afraid the only real answer to life is death, and even then we may find we are caught in a never ending repeating spiral of the reincarnation created by the demiurge that has trapped us here. There may never be escape for us, but I guess then it would always be good to believe in something as ludicrously beautiful and mad as the idea of a big bang[/QUOTE]show me on the doll where the eldritch terror from beyond dreams and time touched you
ok that was very very cool
[QUOTE=Cairn Trenor;53184245]All a very romantic idea but science is flawed as much as religion is, for what we are told are lies spewed from whatever has brought us to this fake "reality" that we think we see and understand. I'm afraid the only real answer to life is death, and even then we may find we are caught in a never ending repeating spiral of the reincarnation created by the demiurge that has trapped us here. There may never be escape for us, but I guess then it would always be good to believe in something as ludicrously beautiful and mad as the idea of a big bang[/QUOTE]
hey man, i'm a philosophy major too! :D
[QUOTE=Cairn Trenor;53184245]All a very romantic idea but science is flawed as much as religion is, for what we are told are lies spewed from whatever has brought us to this fake "reality" that we think we see and understand. I'm afraid the only real answer to life is death, and even then we may find we are caught in a never ending repeating spiral of the reincarnation created by the demiurge that has trapped us here. There may never be escape for us, but I guess then it would always be good to believe in something as ludicrously beautiful and mad as the idea of a big bang[/QUOTE]
Science adapts to new information and discoveries as it evolves, it's not comparable to religion because it's not a belief system or 'faith', it's adapting and applying knowledge based on what is seen.
Religion however is going 'Yep, that's the way things are' without actually explaining anything or putting any thought into it at all. It's just 'that's reality, end of story', 'This text was written 2000 years ago and it says that it's true, therefore it is'. There's no adaptability or improvements to be made, it's just assumed to be an absolute perfect concept.
[QUOTE=dannass;53184037]This made me wonder.. Since gravity merges galaxies together, what will happen when the universe is just one big galaxy? Will it create a super mega ultra black hole 9000?[/QUOTE]
Is there a center of the universe?
[QUOTE=Cairn Trenor;53184245]All a very romantic idea but science is flawed as much as religion is, for what we are told are lies spewed from whatever has brought us to this fake "reality" that we think we see and understand. I'm afraid the only real answer to life is death, and even then we may find we are caught in a never ending repeating spiral of the reincarnation created by the demiurge that has trapped us here. There may never be escape for us, but I guess then it would always be good to believe in something as ludicrously beautiful and mad as the idea of a big bang[/QUOTE]
You don't understand what science is if you believe that. at all.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;53184537]Is there a center of the universe?[/QUOTE]
Techincally, you are the center of the universe.
There isn't a center per se, given that the expansion of the universe is uniform. This means that the universe is expanding at the same rate everywhere, and not expanding away from a specific point. If you stab some pins into a piece of stretchy fabric and you pull the fabric apart in every direction, the pins will spread away from each other at the same rate.
The best way to visualize it is with this Demo:
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20160113233226/https://www.exploratorium.edu/hubble/tools/center.html[/url]
Apologies for Flash/Wayback, but the original link 404's. Essentially, in this demo, there are 2 layers of dots. Both are the same, except one has been expanded uniformly by 5%. Click and drag the layer so that specific points match, and regardless of which point you pick, it will always look like that everything is expanding away from that point.
Images for those who are on mobile:
[img_thumb]http://www.kyle93.co.uk/i/10f7e.png[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://www.kyle93.co.uk/i/31094.png[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://www.kyle93.co.uk/i/21aa2.png[/img_thumb]
In a normal explosion, things move away from a center point, but before the Big Bang there was no time or space, so therefore there couldn't be a center. The Big Bang wasn't an explosion in space, it was an explosion OF space.
Note, I'm not a qualified physicist, just a nerd who did IB Physics HL plus EE on Theoretical Astrophysics.
why is there something rather then nothing
[QUOTE=Strontboer;53184688]why is there something rather then nothing[/QUOTE]
Because if there was nothing, we wouldn't know about it. Therefore there must be something.
[QUOTE=Cairn Trenor;53184245]All a very romantic idea but science is flawed as much as religion is, for what we are told are lies spewed from whatever has brought us to this fake "reality" that we think we see and understand. I'm afraid the only real answer to life is death, and even then we may find we are caught in a never ending repeating spiral of the reincarnation created by the demiurge that has trapped us here. There may never be escape for us, but I guess then it would always be good to believe in something as ludicrously beautiful and mad as the idea of a big bang[/QUOTE]
I knew there were one of you gnostic ass motherfuckers around here somewhere.
[QUOTE=Killer monkey;53184802]Because if there was nothing, we wouldn't know about it. Therefore there must be something.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't explain WHY there is something though. We aren't the reason things exist.
[QUOTE=Gvazdas;53185627]That doesn't explain WHY there is something though. We aren't the reason things exist.[/QUOTE]
Determining reason in a time before rules is an exercise in chaos.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53185849]Determining reason in a time before rules is an exercise in chaos.[/QUOTE]
I like how this expression is potentially both literal and figurative.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;53185849]Determining reason in a time before rules is an exercise in chaos.[/QUOTE]
Yet asking how everything got here, and why there is something rather than nothing, are totally legitimate questions.
[QUOTE=sgman91;53186297]Yet asking how everything got here, and why there is something rather than nothing, are totally legitimate questions.[/QUOTE]
Not all questions have worthwhile, or interesting, or informative answers.
[QUOTE=Killer monkey;53184802]Because if there was nothing, we wouldn't know about it. Therefore there must be something.[/QUOTE]
Let's say you and a friend were sitting under an apple tree one day, and an apple fell into your lap. Your friend asks, "How did that apple get there?" You answer, "Because if the apple wasn't there, then we wouldn't know about it. Therefore the apple must be there."
Clearly, you haven't answered the question. When some contingent thing exists, then it requires an explanation for it's existence as opposed to it's non-existence.
[editline]8th March 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pigbear;53186315]Not all questions have worthwhile, or interesting, or informative answers.[/QUOTE]
It's a totally relevant scientific question. It needs an answer, even if we don't know of one. To say that it just exists inexplicably is no different, and provides even less explanatory power, than saying, "God did it."
[QUOTE=buu342;53184665]Techincally, you are the center of the universe.
There isn't a center per se, given that the expansion of the universe is uniform. This means that the universe is expanding at the same rate everywhere, and not expanding away from a specific point. If you stab some pins into a piece of stretchy fabric and you pull the fabric apart in every direction, the pins will spread away from each other at the same rate.
The best way to visualize it is with this Demo:
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20160113233226/https://www.exploratorium.edu/hubble/tools/center.html[/url]
Apologies for Flash/Wayback, but the original link 404's. Essentially, in this demo, there are 2 layers of dots. Both are the same, except one has been expanded uniformly by 5%. Click and drag the layer so that specific points match, and regardless of which point you pick, it will always look like that everything is expanding away from that point.
Images for those who are on mobile:
In a normal explosion, things move away from a center point, but before the Big Bang there was no time or space, so therefore there couldn't be a center. The Big Bang wasn't an explosion in space, it was an explosion OF space.
Note, I'm not a qualified physicist, just a nerd who did IB Physics HL plus EE on Theoretical Astrophysics.[/QUOTE]
soo its like minecraft?
[quote=sgman91]It's a totally relevant scientific question. It needs an answer, even if we don't know of one. To say that it just exists inexplicably is no different, and provides even less explanatory power, than saying, "God did it."[/quote]
And what if the answer can't be arrived at by scientific means as it operates on a logic that no longer exists in this universe? As the Big Bang may have created all the laws of this universe out of probabilistic chaos that then hardened over time into behaviors which resulted in our present natural law, how would you arrive at a logical answer if the true answer to your question might be something very much like 'Because purple was exactly 12 in that instantaneous moment'.
Preceding the Big Bang, after all, the very concept of 'particles' may not have existed. Nor 'matter', 'time', 'dimension'...
[quote=sgman91]Let's say you and a friend were sitting under an apple tree one day, and an apple fell into your lap. Your friend asks, "How did that apple get there?" You answer, "Because if the apple wasn't there, then we wouldn't know about it. Therefore the apple must be there."
Clearly, you haven't answered the question. When some contingent thing exists, then it requires an explanation for it's existence as opposed to it's non-existence.[/quote]
Thought experiment time. Let's presume that we have the capacity to create in an entirely new parallel (and empty) dimension an entirely new universe similar to our own. In this case, we build a 'bomb' made up out of extremely dense protons and detonate it. If the resulting new universe can't generate protons (as its laws do not allow for the creation of protons) and the act of the big bang instantaneously converted every single proton into electrons, how would anyone in that universe ever be able to discover how said universe was made -- as the thing which caused the thing to occur can't be created or observed? Even if a complete model of physics was created in such a universe, it would not include protons as nothing in its nature generates or acts like protons - meaning even a complete Theory of Everything which accurately describes and predicts any behavior of that universe would still be incapable of predicting or explaining the genesis of that universe.
Let's get even weirder. Let's presume we discovered that there was a singular word that, if spoken aloud, created a new universe in a new dimension spontaneously. How would said universe learn that its existence was due to that word uttered in a parallel dimension which caused its spontaneous and seemingly unprompted self-generation? The very concept of 'words' may not necessarily come to be created in this new universe as language like it may never come to exist, firstly, and secondly observing 'the word being spoken' would require being able to observe an 'invisible actor acting from a parallel dimension' using means that are incomprehensible as the concepts/foundations to understand/interpret the action do not exist in the observer or in this universe.
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