"They made me jump out of the water for a crowd" Whales sue Seaworld
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[I]You sick fuckers, I am gonna sue the SHIT out of you[/I]
[quote]A federal judge for the first time in US history heard arguments in a case that could determine whether animals enjoy the same constitutional protection against slavery as human beings.
US District Judge Jeffrey Miller called the hearing in San Diego after Sea World asked the court to dismiss a lawsuit filed by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals that names five orcas as plaintiffs in the case.
PETA claims the captured killer whales are treated like slaves for being forced to live in tanks and perform daily at its parks in San Diego and Orlando, Fla.
Read more: [url]http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/were-talking-about-hell-unleashed-whales-sue-sea-world-20120208-1r8p9.html#ixzz1lkwY0vzy[/url]
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[url]http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/were-talking-about-hell-unleashed-whales-sue-sea-world-20120208-1r8p9.html[/url]
So its not really the whales suing, More like people who think they understand what the whales are thinking.
Thought this was going to be the Onion, it was PETA. Both are hilarious.
Shut up PETA. If they didn't like it they would attack whoever is in the water with them.
out of all the things that happen to animals [i]this[/i] is the thing they're making a thing about?
ok
Easy fix, make pay stubs out to the whales. This will mean they are not slaves since they are being paid and the whales will never cash the money. It is a win/win situation.
To be completely honest, containing an animal that large is really cruel
PETA is right
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34595358]To be completely honest, containing an animal that large is really cruel
PETA is right[/QUOTE]
It depends on how they are contained. Obviously if they have only a small area to live in that isn't good at all, but if it is to scale of what other creatures live in I don't entirely see an issue.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34595358]To be completely honest, containing an animal that large is really cruel
PETA is right[/QUOTE]
Do you even know how pampered those things are? It's more like living in a five star hotel where your every whim is catered too and all you have to do is jump a bit.
How the fuck do you know if the whales are suffering or not.
PETA is a bunch of shit, just like Greenpeace. Fuck both of them.
[QUOTE=Cone;34595415]It depends on how they are contained. Obviously if they have only a small area to live in that isn't good at all, but if it is to scale of what other creatures live in I don't entirely see an issue.[/QUOTE]
Sea World has an indoor ocean holy shit
As much as I dislike PETA, and think this is just another one of their publicity stunts, subjugating any type of aquatic mammal in a tank for long periods of time is wrong in my opinion. Any animal that swims over vast distances on a daily basis is going to be unhealthy in a tank. (as noted by the curved fin, which only happens in captivity). Orca are smart enough to know they're in a tank, to know they're away from their families which they have strong ties to. They are in a sense, Prisoners.
I don't have a problem with smaller fish being in captivity, but keeping large pelagic fish (like whale sharks) in a tank for long periods of time is unhealthy and should only be done for a few months or not at all.
[QUOTE=The one that is;34595416]Do you even know how pampered those things are? It's more like living in a five star hotel where your every whim is catered too and all you have to do is jump a bit.[/QUOTE]
Non-human animals don't understand the concept of a "5 star hotel" so your analogy doesn't work
[QUOTE=The one that is;34595416]Do you even know how pampered those things are? It's more like living in a five star hotel where your every whim is catered too and all you have to do is jump a bit.[/QUOTE]
Not really.
[QUOTE=Sickle;34595478]PETA is a bunch of shit, just like Greenpeace. Fuck both of them.[/QUOTE]
I know.
"Hmm... Looks like rhinos are getting poached to near extinction. Perhaps we should gather up a fund to help somehow?
"NO, NO. WE NEED TO SAVE THE WHALES. THEY ARE TREATING THEM BADLY EVEN THOUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW AND STUFF, BUT THEY'RE STILL TREATING THEM BADLY!"
Next thing will be trees suing us for making paper out of their families.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34595358]To be completely honest, containing an animal that large is really cruel
PETA is right[/QUOTE]
The sad thing is if PETA had their way they'd uneducated-ly put them into the wild where they would starve or die pretty quickly
if only we had animal rights activists who weren't psychopaths
[QUOTE=Mister B;34595573]Next thing will be trees suing us for making paper out of their families.[/QUOTE]
Yes because trees are sentient and intelligent beings with strong family ties and when one goes missing it not only causes them to suffer but their tree family as well :(
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[QUOTE=J!NX;34595582]The sad thing is if PETA had their way they'd uneducated-ly put them into the wild where they would starve or die pretty quickly
if only we had animal rights activists who weren't psychopaths[/QUOTE]
If PETA had their way these animals wouldn't be getting captured in the first place.
Well I could understand concern over keeping dolphins in places like Seaworld, they really don't do well in captivity, regardless of how they're treated. But I'm not sure if that applies to whales, some of the orcas they have there have been around for a pretty long time, right?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34595595]Yes because trees are sentient and intelligent beings with strong family ties and when one goes missing it not only causes them to suffer but their tree family as well :(
[editline]7th February 2012[/editline]
If PETA had their way these animals wouldn't be getting captured in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, but I still hate PETA. They have a noble cause but execute it in the worst ways possible.
I'd rather see REAL whales doing REAL jumps in the REAL world than in captivation, I think the enjoyment would just be so awesome to see them so free and happy rather than tame and forced.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;34595619]Well I could understand concern over keeping dolphins in places like Seaworld, they really don't do well in captivity, regardless of how they're treated. But I'm not sure if that applies to whales, some of the orcas they have there have been around for a pretty long time, right?[/QUOTE]
Orca [i]are[/i] dolphins.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34595595]Yes because trees are sentient and intelligent beings with strong family ties and when one goes missing it not only causes them to suffer but their tree family as well :(
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If PETA had their way these animals wouldn't be getting captured in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Can you accurately say the whale is unhappy?
[QUOTE=J!NX;34595582]if only we had animal rights activists who weren't psychopaths[/QUOTE]
well I know there's the ASPCA but I don't know if they're any better
[QUOTE=The one that is;34595416]Do you even know how pampered those things are? It's more like living in a five star hotel where your every whim is catered too and all you have to do is jump a bit.[/QUOTE]
no it's more like a motel that you can't leave.
AKA a nightmare.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;34595668]Can you accurately say the whale is unhappy?[/QUOTE]
[img]http://images.smh.com.au/2012/02/08/2950675/sea-world-orca-729-420x0.jpg[/img]
Bent fins only happen in captivity.
[quote]Scientists from the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) have reported that "the collapsed dorsal fins commonly seen in captive killer whales do not result from a pathogenic condition, but are instead thought to most likely originate from an irreversible structural change in the fin's collagen over time. Possible explanations for this include: (1) alterations in water balance caused by the stresses of captivity dietary changes, (2) lowered blood pressure due to reduced activity patterns, or (3) overheating of the collagen brought on by greater exposure of the fin to the ambient air."[/quote]
Orca are very social animals and have extremely tight families. Males will hang around with their mother for the rest of her life and stick together with their family for the rest of theirs. They speak to each other in different dialects so they know what family they're breeding with. They coordinate and plan attacks. They are extremely intelligent, and keeping them locked away from their families and in a tiny cell (as opposed to the [i]ocean[/i]) is cruel. Their life span is often reduced to half of what it would be in nature.
How could you possibly tell me they're happy or uncaring? I'm actually surprised they don't kill trainers more often.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;34595668]Can you accurately say the whale is unhappy?[/QUOTE]
I can say that they experience behavioural and physical changes that one can assume would cause distress in a sentient being
[url]http://www.helium.com/items/1510837-effects-of-captivity-on-whales?page=2[/url]
They actually experience some symptoms typical of depression in humans - no desire to mate, and mothers express disinterest in their children.
Their lifespans are also much shorter in captivity, and infants often die.
[QUOTE=The one that is;34595416]Do you even know how pampered those things are? It's more like living in a five star hotel where your every whim is catered too and all you have to do is jump a bit.[/QUOTE]
if the five star hotel is unfathomably smaller than my house and much of my life consisted of swimming through my house i don't think i'd enjoy the hotel very much
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