• UK to overtake France and become ‘most populous nation in Europe by 2050'
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These migration prediction statistics seem a little odd considering the current Brexit scenario? [url]https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-population-to-top-that-of-france-by-2030-090735668.html[/url] [url]http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/population-demography-migration-projections/statistics-illustrated[/url]
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51622907]These migration prediction statistics seem a little odd considering the current Brexit scenario? [url]https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-population-to-top-that-of-france-by-2030-090735668.html[/url] [url]http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/population-demography-migration-projections/statistics-illustrated[/url][/QUOTE] because brexit has nothing to do with restricting immigration? loads of the immigrants aren't even from the EU
Interesting, I assumed that the British birthrate was more inline with other European nations and so they'd see a population decrease. Maybe they're learning a few lessons from us and are breeding like rabbits. :V
Not good for our housing situation, or jobs, or NHS, or anything really. We're listing starboard and the bulkheads aren't working captain.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51622934]Interesting, I assumed that the British birthrate was more inline with other European nations and so they'd see a population decrease. Maybe they're learning a few lessons from us and are breeding like rabbits. :V[/QUOTE] It's less about birthrates and more about migration, it says in the article that if they didn't take immigration and emigration into account, that the UK population would fall instead of rise.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;51622962]Not good for our housing situation, or jobs, or NHS, or anything really. We're listing starboard and the bulkheads aren't working captain.[/QUOTE] I mean, increasing population doesn't have to cause issues with our services, would require our government to actually be investing in them which doesn't seem likely under a Conservative government.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51622924]because brexit has nothing to do with restricting immigration? loads of the immigrants aren't even from the EU[/QUOTE] I meant where is the long term attraction for migrants now that we are about to become a 3rd world, isolated shithole without the EU membership? Or has that rhetoric blown itself out now?
Britain hasn't left the EU yet.
Ah yes the good old forecasts Just like Britain is going to overtake Germany's economy by 2030 (hint: instead of closing the gap between both economies it got much larger) Or OECD's own forecast that Sweden's HDI is going to drop massively, which got nullified by the report that followed the year after lol
People also thought japan was gonna take over the world in the 80s too, look where we are now.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51623047]Quality strawman, 9/11, you blew all the remainers the fuck out, congratulations, the thread is over[/QUOTE] Why am I surprised that you of all people would react like this when you can't think of a descent response. I like how expert predictions are not working for you guys now.
too many people stoppppppp
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51623031]I meant where is the long term attraction for migrants now that we are about to become a 3rd world, isolated shithole without the EU membership? Or has that rhetoric blown itself out now?[/QUOTE] what the hell is your point?
Birthrate too high, overpopulation leads to more polution and wasting resources, people complain. Birthrate too low, government doesn't get enough taxes to pay for everything, people complain.
That's some solid population density if the trend continues.
i dread to think how much rent and property prices will be in 2050 due to the overpopulation issues here.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51623079]what the hell is your point?[/QUOTE] You wrongly assumed I meant EU immigration but I didn't. I think my point is obvious, what will make the UK so attractive to migrants when according to many, yourself included that the UK is going to become a 3rd world, backwards thinking, isolated country that won't cope without being part of the EU? These long term migration predictions don't make sense if the UK won't be prosperous, or am I missing something? [editline]4th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Ishwoo;51623169]i dread to think how much rent and property prices will be in 2050 due to the overpopulation issues here.[/QUOTE] Beijing rents.
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51623194]You wrongly assumed I meant EU immigration but I didn't. I think my point is obvious, what will make the UK so attractive to migrants when according to many, yourself included that the UK is going to become a 3rd world, backwards thinking, isolated country that won't cope without being part of the EU?[/QUOTE] since when did i even ever say that? third world? what?
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51623194]You wrongly assumed I meant EU immigration but I didn't. I think my point is obvious, what will make the UK so attractive to migrants when according to many, yourself included that the UK is going to become a 3rd world, backwards thinking, isolated country that won't cope without being part of the EU? These long term migration predictions don't make sense if the UK won't be prosperous, or am I missing something? [editline]4th January 2017[/editline] Beijing rents.[/QUOTE] I think we've already overtaken Beijing rents in most parts of the country.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51623215]since when did i even ever say that? third world? what?[/QUOTE] you personally didn't say third world but you have certainly implied that the UK will be doomed economically due to Brexit, so what is going to make the UK with it's doomed economy so attractive for the next 30 odd years to anyone? [editline]4th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Ishwoo;51623224]I think we've already overtaken Beijing rents in most parts of the country.[/QUOTE] we've made the top 10.
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51623194]You wrongly assumed I meant EU immigration but I didn't. I think my point is obvious, what will make the UK so attractive to migrants when according to many, yourself included that the UK is going to become a 3rd world, backwards thinking, isolated country that won't cope without being part of the EU? These long term migration predictions don't make sense if the UK won't be prosperous, or am I missing something? [editline]4th January 2017[/editline] Beijing rents.[/QUOTE]i don't think you have properly understood actual criticisms of the effects of brexit made by actual lawmakers and economists if you have to construct fantasy argument using words that literally only you have mentioned. britain will still remain an attractive place for migration due to its economic stature, relatively accepting culture, need for immigration and a variety of other reasons. regardless of brexit but that stature will be lesser than what it would have been if we remained in the economic parts of the EU. the UK recieves a lot of immigrants from countries outside the EU, the UK (inside or outside the EU) is going to look appealing even if we do lose billions in GDP cause if you've noticed we can fall quite a bit but still be 'ok', learn some context
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;51623265]i don't think you have properly understood actual criticisms of the effects of brexit made by actual lawmakers and economists if you have to construct fantasy argument using words that literally only you have mentioned. britain will still remain an attractive place for migration due to its economic stature, relatively accepting culture, need for immigration and a variety of other reasons. regardless of brexit but that stature will be lesser than what it would have been if we remained in the economic parts of the EU. the UK recieves a lot of immigrants from countries outside the EU, the UK (inside or outside the EU) is going to look appealing even if we do lose billions in GDP cause if you've noticed we can fall quite a bit but still be 'ok', learn some context[/QUOTE] lol, it's you that failed to understand, these contexts aren't mine, I was referring more to the doom and gloom brigade, learn to read the whole thread and understand people's point before trying to come across as intellectual.
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51623248]you personally didn't say third world but you have certainly implied that the UK will be doomed economically due to Brexit, so what is going to make the UK with it's doomed economy so attractive for the next 30 odd years to anyone?[/QUOTE] idk why you're making a strawman, but a country doesn't need to be particularly prosperous to be attractive to immigrants also many of the brexit problems are more related to stagnation/rot due to the problems induced by leaving and reforming it rather than a sharp decline into poverty
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51623283]lol, it's you that failed to understand, these contexts aren't mine, I was referring more to the doom and gloom brigade, learn to read the whole thread and understand people's point before trying to come across as intellectual.[/QUOTE]"when according to many, yourself included that the UK is going to become a 3rd world, backwards thinking, isolated country that won't cope without being part of the EU?" i did read the thread theres not that many posts, speaking of understanding peoples points maybe dont ignore peoples points to accuse them of not reading a thread? especially when i brought up points relevant to the discussion lol also intellectual lmao, i said the most basic obvious shit but you seem to need to be pushed away from this 3rd world argument you wanna fight
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51623286]idk why you're making a strawman, but a country doesn't need to be particularly prosperous to be attractive to immigrants also many of the brexit problems are more related to stagnation/rot due to the problems induced by leaving and reforming it rather than a sharp decline into poverty[/QUOTE] that's lazy debating using the strawman argument, so what is going to make the UK more attractive than other EU countries if not prosperity?
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51623304]that's lazy debating using the strawman argument, so what is going to make the UK more attractive than other EU countries if not prosperity?[/QUOTE] you're the one whos setting up the strawman for gods sake you intentionally posted this thread just to set up strawmans to smack down
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51623304]that's lazy debating using the strawman argument, so what is going to make the UK more attractive than other EU countries if not prosperity?[/QUOTE]prosperity is relative, it can still be good in comparison to other countries, it can still be worse than it could have been in other circumstances. him saying you used a strawman isnt lazy when its all youre doing
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51623311]you're the one whos setting up the strawman for gods sake you intentionally posted this thread just to set up strawmans to smack down[/QUOTE] can we get back on track instead of repeating strawmen, what is going to make the UK the most attractive country in the EU if not prosperity?
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51623339]can we get back on track instead of repeating strawmen, what is going to make the UK the most attractive country in the EU if not prosperity?[/QUOTE]bro... thats a fully fledged wizard of oz strawman right there
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51623339]can we get back on track instead of repeating strawmen, what is going to make the UK the most attractive country in the EU if not prosperity?[/QUOTE] Where do you gather that it is or will be the most attractive country?
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