British support for staying in the EU takes record 12-point lead in YouGov poll - Polidicks

[t]http://imgkk.com/i/5oez.png[/t] [url]https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/05/05/eu-referendum-lead-12/[/url] [quote]A 12-point lead for "in" is the largest YouGov has recorded since the question was first asked this way in September 2010. At 33%, the level of support for leaving the European Union is narrowly the lowest ever recorded. [/quote] Just a couple of years ago it was almost a foregone conclusion that if an EU referendum happens, we will leave the EU. That's now very far from clear.

Not surprising really, the Eurozone crisis isn't really getting much exposure in the media and Juncker has made it pretty clear that negotiation is a flat out no.

[QUOTE=Jackald;47665282]I think UKIP's managed to vilify the concept of leaving the EU for undecided voters[/QUOTE] Them bringing up so many points which have continually been asked by Eurosceptics for the last 20 years has led the pro-EU parties to provide counter-arguments, which often tend to do quite well for people who actually care about the facts rather than what they read once in the Daily Star.

It's the uncertainty of leaving it that worries people. Most people are still not pro EU and if irrifutable proof that we could make it work would surface then i'd expect it to swing back to leave.

Just remember folks, this is just one poll from one company (who weren't particularly accurate any time around the Scottish Indie Referendum either) - There are biases inherent from who the company polls etc, so the best thing to do would be to wait for more polls to see if this is actually a trend or just an aberration.

Don't kid yourself, the UK didn't even have a chance of exiting the EU, the European agreements like freetrade and movement of people are just too convenient for the players who can influence and lobby in politics. Commonfolk of the UK don't seem to mind the freedom of movement or other EU policies either, seeing how they've well taken advantage of them, retiring in sunny places of Europe, or setting up companies in Central-East Europe, so it's all good. If anything, a change in geopolitics might make the UK to exit the EU and oppose it, and reunite a mini-commonwealth of the former british empire. But the UK at its heart is a trading nation, so unless something terribly important happens, things will stay as they are, especially since the EU will soon have the TTIP with US setup soon.

absolutely leaving the European Union would just be a backwards step just because we've came so far and encountered a few bumps here and there, doesn't mean we don't have a better future ahead of us

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47665468]Them bringing up so many points which have continually been asked by Eurosceptics for the last 20 years has led the pro-EU parties to provide counter-arguments, which often tend to do quite well for people who actually care about the facts rather than what they read once in the Daily Star.[/QUOTE] Usually it's the right that's more pragmatic though.

[QUOTE=proch;47665860]Usually it's the right that's more pragmatic though.[/QUOTE] nothing pragmatic about "family values" or climate change denial or throwing a shitfit when people speak english as a second language. getting overly pissy about pointless things is definitely nothing foreign to the right wing and especially not to UKIP

[QUOTE=Cone;47665991]nothing pragmatic about "family values" or climate change denial or throwing a shitfit when people speak english as a second language. getting overly pissy about pointless things is definitely nothing foreign to the right wing and especially not to UKIP[/QUOTE] you could cherrypick ridiculous opinions from any political spectrum mate

[QUOTE=Cone;47665991]nothing pragmatic about "family values" or climate change denial or throwing a shitfit when people speak english as a second language. getting overly pissy about pointless things is definitely nothing foreign to the right wing and especially not to UKIP[/QUOTE] There's nothing intrinsically right-wing about "Family Values", Climate Change denial or opposition to unlimited Immigration, at least not in the UK. British Conservatism is all about pragmatism and allowing for social and political change at a slow pace to ensure stability.

[QUOTE=Cone;47665991]nothing pragmatic about "family values" or climate change denial or throwing a shitfit when people speak english as a second language. getting overly pissy about pointless things is definitely nothing foreign to the right wing and especially not to UKIP[/QUOTE] You do know some of the Socialist parties in the UK are massive advocates for leaving the EU, right?

It's only really ever been about waste and cost. For example, There are 2 European parliaments buildings: one in Brussels and one in Strasbourg, and it's costing billions to move between the two. Shut one down and keep the other. That's what the negotiations should be about.

These polls are nothing to go by, people don't just change their idea's overnight. the data is entirely worthless and flawed.

I bet we'll see that number change as this whole boat deal carries on.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;47665507]Just remember folks, this is just one poll from one company (who weren't particularly accurate any time around the Scottish Indie Referendum either) - There are biases inherent from who the company polls etc, so the best thing to do would be to wait for more polls to see if this is actually a trend or just an aberration.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Arrows;47666640]These polls are nothing to go by, people don't just change their idea's overnight. the data is entirely worthless and flawed.[/QUOTE] The polls started to shift way back at the start of 2014 towards being supportive of EU membership, and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_referendum_on_United_Kingdom_membership_of_the_European_Union#Standard_polling_on_EU_membership]it's now the norm for polls from many different companies[/url] to show that more people support staying than leaving. The news here is just that the gap is continuing to widen.

[QUOTE=proch;47665860]Usually it's the right that's more pragmatic though.[/QUOTE] Not in terms of the EU. You still get banana curvature discussions, about how the EU shouldn't be imposing how a banana ought to curve in order to be sell able. . Or to be more specific - it's not the right per see, it's the we must make away with bureaucracy right. Every country has them. [quote] If anything, a change in geopolitics might make the UK to exit the EU and oppose it, and reunite a mini-commonwealth of the former british empire. But the UK at its heart is a trading nation, so unless something terribly important happens, things will stay as they are, especially since the EU will soon have the TTIP with US setup soon.[/QUOTE] since you are so against it (from your tone) have you actually read the treaty? I mean in full, not just one or two cherrypicked exerpts without context.

This is all because them ayrabs and polls and scoots are allowed to vote. When UKIP fixes the UK and only good English lads get to vote then you'll see England doesn't want the EU. God save the Queen.