Tesla 'autosteer' update will make electric cars self-driving on highways - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Elon Musk has announced on Twitter that Tesla electric cars will "soon" be updated to steer themselves on motorways. The Tesla, SpaceX and PayPal founder said on Twitter that the update is "almost ready" and will include "highway autosteer and parallel autopark". The ability for Tesla vehicles to be upgraded over the air in often radical ways is well noted -- recently Musk announced that the Model S P85D would be upgraded to include a "ludicrous speed mode" able to boost acceleration from 0 to 60MPH in just 2.8 seconds. Now it appears Tesla vehicles will be able to do more than that, and actually drive themselves. The update will arrive as Version 7 of Tesla's firmware, and has been tested extensively on a route between San Francisco and Seattle. Musk has previously said the car is "almost able to go [between the two locations] without touching the controls at all".[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/vzOWu4r.png[/t] [url]http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-07/31/tesla-self-driving-cars-update[/url]

I wonder how it works without all the fancy cameras? Though I guess it doesn't need much in the way of any of that stuff if the car is still 100% manual, but just auto-follows lanes. Would allowing you to drive hands free but have you be in control of speed/stopping and all that. I'm imagining something like how the horse works in Witcher 3 where you can have it auto-follow roads but you are still generally controlling it.

No thanks. I prefer *not* handing control of my car over to a computer that can fail, be hacked, or just randomly glitch.

[QUOTE=TestECull;48340826]No thanks. I prefer *not* handing control of my car over to a computer that can fail, be hacked, or just randomly glitch.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure the Tesla S can be hacked even without this update

pretty sure most cars can be hacked today

[QUOTE=Neroxen;48340870]Pretty sure the Tesla S can be hacked even without this update[/QUOTE] TestECull literally has a grudge against Tesla.

[QUOTE=TestECull;48340826]No thanks. I prefer *not* handing control of my car over to a computer that can fail, be hacked, or just randomly glitch.[/QUOTE] No thanks. I prefer *not* handing control of my car to a human being that can be distracted, be tired or just randomly get emotionally distressed. You're not infallible, stop acting like it. Besides, do you really think the guys who write this software would not have taken into account that not every user will want to run it, and some users running it may want control at a moments notice? Tesla don't hire morons to program these things.

[QUOTE=KorJax;48340812]I wonder how it works without all the fancy cameras? Though I guess it doesn't need much in the way of any of that stuff if the car is still 100% manual, but just auto-follows lanes. Would allowing you to drive hands free but have you be in control of speed/stopping and all that. I'm imagining something like how the horse works in Witcher 3 where you can have it auto-follow roads but you are still generally controlling it.[/QUOTE] Every Model S built since sometime last year came with the hardware already installed. [editline]31st July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=TestECull;48340826]No thanks. I prefer *not* handing control of my car over to a computer that can fail, be hacked, or just randomly glitch.[/QUOTE] It's pretty much smart cruise control. You can still take over at any time or pause it. That's why they call it autopilot and not autonomous. You're still the boss.

[QUOTE=TestECull;48340826]No thanks. I prefer *not* handing control of my car over to a computer that can fail, be hacked, or just randomly glitch.[/QUOTE] Every crash related to automated cars that I've heard about has been a human driver crashing into the automated car that behaved perfectly according to protocol. Besides, automated cars don't have to be without flaws, just significantly better than humans, which certainly seems to be in the realm of possibilities today. Plus, modern cars have a fuckton of electronics in them already, so electronics-specific problems can already crucially affect your driving today, you don't need to get to autopilot-levels of electronic involvement for that.

[QUOTE=TestECull;48340826]No thanks. I prefer *not* handing control of my car over to a computer that can fail, be hacked, or just randomly glitch.[/QUOTE] you do realize that in the possibility that this might happen you will actually have control over the car and will be able to take over from the computer whenever you like? i mean the way legislation and all works makes it illegal to go in one of these cars unless somebody is behind the wheel

[QUOTE=OvB;48341012]Every Model S built since sometime last year came with the hardware already installed. [editline]31st July 2015[/editline] It's pretty much smart cruise control. You can still take over at any time or pause it. That's why they call it autopilot and not autonomous. You're still the boss.[/QUOTE] yeah it doesn't have LIDAR or anything like that to do true autonomous driving.

How bizarre is it that Elon's talking about releasing a software update for a fucking car?

[QUOTE=Neroxen;48340870]Pretty sure the Tesla S can be hacked even without this update[/QUOTE] Heck even non electric cars can be hacked.

[QUOTE=Netsc;48341195]How bizarre is it that Elon's talking about releasing a software update for a fucking car?[/QUOTE] I don't find just a software update the impressive thing, they've done that before. This is adding serious new functionality though, I mean, the increase in acceleration was great, but this seems better.

I don't care how good systems get, I will never use automatic steering. I like driving way to much.

[QUOTE=Netsc;48341195]How bizarre is it that Elon's talking about releasing a software update for a fucking car?[/QUOTE] next up is DLC that changes the colour of your car or some other shit

Would love to have this on my Dodge that already has cameras and forward facing radar. Granted I have stop/go cruise control and lane guidance, it should be possible. But they won't :(

[QUOTE=TestECull;48340826]No thanks. I prefer *not* handing control of my car over to a computer that can fail, be hacked, or just randomly glitch.[/QUOTE] Failure or glitch chance are infinitely small compared to chance of a human driver making a mistake. And hackable cars are not widespread enough to even begin considerating this possibility. So, yeah, for a decade at least, automated cars will stay safer than your own hands.

[QUOTE=KorJax;48340812]I wonder how it works without all the fancy cameras? Though I guess it doesn't need much in the way of any of that stuff if the car is still 100% manual, but just auto-follows lanes. Would allowing you to drive hands free but have you be in control of speed/stopping and all that. I'm imagining something like how the horse works in Witcher 3 where you can have it auto-follow roads but you are still generally controlling it.[/QUOTE] It already has a camera behind the rear view mirror which watches lines and alerts you if you drift out of them, proximity sensors which act as parking sensors and blind spot sensors, automatic cruise control and emergency braking. Throw all that in a blender, sprinkle in some additional code, and you have rudimentary automatic driving.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48340954]No thanks. I prefer *not* handing control of my car to a human being that can be distracted, be tired or just randomly get emotionally distressed. You're not infallible, stop acting like it. Besides, do you really think the guys who write this software would not have taken into account that not every user will want to run it, and some users running it may want control at a moments notice? Tesla don't hire morons to program these things.[/QUOTE] I think the point is that an autosteer system is obviously not going to have the reactive capabilities of a human driver, which is a totally valid concern. Yes, the human behind the wheel still has the ability to retake control of the car at any time -- but don't kid yourself, when people are given this degree of autonomy in their driving, they're not going to be paying attention nearly as much to what's going on on the road. So the autosteer might function great, perfectly even, but once something extraordinary/unpredictable happens, no software is going to be able to account for it like a person could.

[QUOTE=Beetle179;48341538]I think the point is that an autosteer system is obviously not going to have the reactive capabilities of a human driver, which is a totally valid concern. Yes, the human behind the wheel still has the ability to retake control of the car at any time -- but don't kid yourself, when people are given this degree of autonomy in their driving, they're not going to be paying attention nearly as much to what's going on on the road. So the autosteer might function great, perfectly even, but once something extraordinary/unpredictable happens, no software is going to be able to account for it like a person could.[/QUOTE] Computers "think" millions of times a second (and that's just the slow ones!), receiving input is down to the polling rate of the devices, but even then that's usually pretty quick considering the scenario we're talking about. They are more than capable of reacting faster than a human being. For one they simply apply electrical signals to components to trigger them. A human on average takes 250ms to respond to a visual stimulus. That's a long ass time in processor clock (even a 100MHz processor has performed 1.25 million operations in this time, assuming my maths is right). Add in the time required for a human to then actually press on a pedal, turn a wheel, etc. and that time increases quite a bit. "Humans react faster" isn't exactly correct. Even embedded processors are faster than you when programmed correctly and focused on their small set of tasks compared to our abstract thought process. [editline]31st July 2015[/editline] Also I'm fairly sure the Google self-driving car has so far taken actions that make sense in every scenario it was presented and encountered in it's multiple million collective miles of driving. Don't assume these things actually need hard coded responses to situations, we can teach them. In fact that's something Elon himself mentions.

[QUOTE=Beetle179;48341538]I think the point is that an autosteer system is obviously not going to have the reactive capabilities of a human driver, which is a totally valid concern. Yes, the human behind the wheel still has the ability to retake control of the car at any time -- but don't kid yourself, when people are given this degree of autonomy in their driving, they're not going to be paying attention nearly as much to what's going on on the road. So the autosteer might function great, perfectly even, but once something extraordinary/unpredictable happens, no software is going to be able to account for it like a person could.[/QUOTE] The car can sense obstacles for quite a distance. It's not like it can only see 5 feet in front of it. It knows everything going on, whereas you only know what you're looking at or thinking about. Which is all too often the radio or your phone. [editline]31st July 2015[/editline] Here's an old video of what's currently enabled for Autopilot. Note it does not include self steering. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcwObeGB_mU[/media] And here's that old demo of the autosteer: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7quu551ehc0[/media]

[QUOTE=Xavith;48340879]pretty sure most cars can be hacked today[/QUOTE] my 1980 chevy cant be hacked :vs:

I wonder if we're ever get to a point where you could be drunk as shit and your car will drive you home or perhaps allow drunk people to "Drive" if the car is doing the driving

[QUOTE=BigBadWilly;48342192]I wonder if we're ever get to a point where you could be drunk as shit and your car will drive you home or perhaps allow drunk people to "Drive" if the car is doing the driving[/QUOTE] Built in breathalyzer that can detect if you're drunk and drive you home.

[QUOTE=Beetle179;48341538]I think the point is that an autosteer system is obviously not going to have the reactive capabilities of a human driver, which is a totally valid concern. Yes, the human behind the wheel still has the ability to retake control of the car at any time -- but don't kid yourself, when people are given this degree of autonomy in their driving, they're not going to be paying attention nearly as much to what's going on on the road. So the autosteer might function great, perfectly even, but once something extraordinary/unpredictable happens, no software is going to be able to account for it like a person could.[/QUOTE] Computers have far faster reaction times. Have you never dealt with an aimbot?

[QUOTE=OvB;48342292]Built in breathalyzer that can detect if you're drunk and drive you home.[/QUOTE] Which kind of makes me wonder, Would it be so wrong to have that for regular people who aren't drunk too? Maybe am exhausted after work and i'm close to passing out from tiredness, Car drives me while I nap

[QUOTE=BigBadWilly;48342342]Which kind of makes me wonder, Would it be so wrong to have that for regular people who aren't drunk too? Maybe am exhausted after work and i'm close to passing out from tiredness, Car drives me while I nap[/QUOTE] They have systems in some cars now that can watch your eyes and tell if you're dozing off and will beep at you. My mothers GMC will beep if it crosses the lines (a fairly common system). I can't imagine It would be too hard to add a system that can detect if the driver is falling asleep/distracted, and have the autopilot kick in automatically to keep them from driving off the road.

[QUOTE=OvB;48342371]They have systems in some cars now that can watch your eyes and tell if you're dozing off and will beep at you. My mothers GMC will beep if it crosses the lines (a fairly common system). I can't imagine It would be too hard to add a system that can detect if the driver is falling asleep/distracted, and have the autopilot kick in automatically to keep them from driving off the road.[/QUOTE] That bleeping would be very annoying ;( , Secondly If they're falling asleep I would prefer it to drive me home rather than autopilot on forever and ever till I wake up or run out of gas

[QUOTE=OvB;48342371]They have systems in some cars now that can watch your eyes and tell if you're dozing off and will beep at you. My mothers GMC will beep if it crosses the lines (a fairly common system). I can't imagine It would be too hard to add a system that can detect if the driver is falling asleep/distracted, and have the autopilot kick in automatically to keep them from driving off the road.[/QUOTE]A lot of the lower-end Mercedes have this feature as an optional package. The higher end Mercedes have this standard. The S-Class also offers essentially autopilot and actually was one of the first to pioneer this technology. [url=http://assets.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/DigitalAssets/Vehicles/ClassLanding/2015/S/Sedan/Features/2015-S-CLASS-SEDAN-030-CCF-D.jpg]It even has night vision and thermal imaging cameras[/url] built in to detect people/animals and to automatically stop or avoid accidents with them.