Islamist jailed for brutaly assaulting boy over embrace with girl in London street - Polidicks

[quote=theguardian.com]An associate of the hate preacher Anjem Choudary has been jailed for 28 months for knocking a schoolboy unconscious because he cuddled his girlfriend in the street. Michael Coe, a Muslim convert, has a long record of violent offences, starting when he was 16, including assaults, burglary, robbery and violent disorder. On 15 April Coe was driving through east London when he spotted the two 16-year-olds hugging on the pavement. He pulled over to confront the pair, demanding to know whether they were Muslims, before calling the boy’s girlfriend a “whore”. He grabbed the boy by the throat and threw him to the ground before kicking his head as he lay there, leaving him unconscious and bleeding from two head injuries. Coe, who is 6ft 1in and weighs 16 and a half stone, admitted “shoving” the boy, who is half his size, but claimed he was acting in self-defence. [/quote] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/05/man-jailed-for-attack-boy-embrace-london-michael-coe-anjem-choudary[/url]

Sounds like the guy did this because he's completely unhinged and not because of his religion. EDIT: what an ass, anyway. Glad he's in jail.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51479945]Sounds like the guy did this because he's completely unhinged and not because of his religion. EDIT: what an ass, anyway. Glad he's in jail.[/QUOTE] That sounds very apologetic you know after reading "He pulled over to confront the pair, demanding to know whether they were Muslims, before calling the boy’s girlfriend a “whore”." After I have read how couples holding hands are treated in majority muslim countries like Morocco, I feel it got everything to do with their religion.

he was aggressive before being radicalised but certainly being muslim gave his putrid fervor a violent outlet

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51479953]That sounds very apologetic you know after reading "He pulled over to confront the pair, demanding to know whether they were Muslims, before calling the boy’s girlfriend a “whore”."[/QUOTE] I'm just stating this isn't something he's doing because he converted to Islam; it's clear from his history he's always been an asshole so it's likely he used religion as an excuse to cause shit. I'm not apologising for anything. I am very critical of parts of Islam as I am of all religions. I just know there's a significant difference between criticising the religion and painting a large group of people with the same brush.

If he's an associate of anjem choudary then he's not only a unhinged nutter it's also because he was radicalised by anjem that guy to pursue a more hard line islamist view.

[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;51479963]If he's an associate of anjem choudary then he's not only a unhinged nutter it's also because he was radicalised by anjem that guy to pursue a more hard line islamist view.[/QUOTE] Not denying that's a factor. Why aren't men like Anjem Choudary in jail? Or was he the Islamist arrested recently?

because muh freedom of speech [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Muh memeshit" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51479971]Not denying that's a factor. Why aren't men like Anjem Choudary in jail? Or was he the Islamist arrested recently?[/QUOTE] Wasn't he jailed recently?

5 years and 6 months according to wiki

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51479953]That sounds very apologetic you know after reading "He pulled over to confront the pair, demanding to know whether they were Muslims, before calling the boy’s girlfriend a “whore”." After I have read how couples holding hands are treated in majority muslim countries like Morocco, I feel it got everything to do with their religion.[/QUOTE] Even though he was muslim, what about the millions of other muslims who walk along daily seeing this stuff in western countries and not even worrying about it. Maybe it was purely motivated by religion, but i think it was more of the fact he is just a psycho.

I'm assuming that he claims self defense because maybe the boy attacked him for calling his girlfriend a whore? But then again, if you really claim self defense, you shouldn't have kicked him while he was on the ground, you dumbass.

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51479989]I'm assuming that he claims self defense because maybe the boy attacked him for calling his girlfriend a whore? But then again, if you really claim self defense, you shouldn't have kicked him while he was on the ground, you dumbass.[/QUOTE] I have my doubts, considering he's twice the boy's size according to the article.

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51479985]Even though he was muslim, what about the millions of other muslims who walk along daily seeing this stuff in western countries and not even worrying about it. Maybe it was purely motivated by religion, but i think it was more of the fact he is just a psycho.[/QUOTE] I understand what you are saying. But there are also many instances where good people have been turned into monsters by their religion because they feel they are doing the right thing. Religion really is the key to most of the worst atrocities in history. For their gods sake ISIS are leaving bombs in teddy bears so they can blow up children and thereby allowing them to reach paradise instead of going to hell when rescued by the opposing forces.

What do we do with these people?

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51479945]Sounds like the guy did this because he's completely unhinged and not because of his religion. EDIT: what an ass, anyway. Glad he's in jail.[/QUOTE] Why do people always claim that it's not connected to islam whenever thing like these happen [editline]5th December 2016[/editline] When christians say evolution is not real we don't say 'well that's because they're stupid it has nothing to do with their religion'

[QUOTE=SirJon;51480171]Why do people always claim that it's not connected to islam whenever thing like these happen [editline]5th December 2016[/editline] When christians say evolution is not real we don't say 'well that's because they're stupid it has nothing to do with their religion'[/QUOTE] I mean I would be saying the same thing in the second case since even the Catholic fucking Church states evolution is real... I'm not complaining, I'm pointing out [I]as per the article[/I] that this guy was a violent shithead regardless.

[QUOTE=Anteep;51480152]What do we do with these people?[/QUOTE] Gotta be careful about puttin em in jail with access to others. Radical islamic ideology spreads like metastatic cancer in prisons. Gotta hope you can give them an alternative idaology and reason to live, give them no reason to adopt and hold such radical "beliefs". See it like a gang, they join because it gives them companionship and meaning, we need to out-compete that. Anybody who associated with Ajam Chowdry should be watched very closely, that guy preached nothing but hate and how to get away with it. [editline]5th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=SirJon;51480171]Why do people always claim that it's not connected to islam whenever thing like these happen [editline]5th December 2016[/editline] When christians say evolution is not real we don't say 'well that's because they're stupid it has nothing to do with their religion'[/QUOTE] Because the people who do it are a mess anyway. There are plenty of normal muslims who don't do this. Those 2 things form a fairly strong basis for it being a "guy is fucked up" rather than "religion fucked him up", in most cases anyway. Stuff like religion causing a closet gay guy to hate himself could be blamed on religion but thats not isolated to islam anyway.

[QUOTE=SirJon;51480171]Why do people always claim that it's not connected to islam whenever thing like these happen [editline]5th December 2016[/editline] When christians say evolution is not real we don't say 'well that's because they're stupid it has nothing to do with their religion'[/QUOTE] Because it's idiotic to think that this: [quote]has a long record of violent offences, starting when he was 16, including assaults, burglary, robbery and violent disorder.[/quote] Is somehow less important than: [quote]Michael Coe, a Muslim convert[/quote] It's just idiotic to think that [I]because[/I] this guy is a Muslim, he did all of that shit, when as it turns out, he was converted while in jail for his previous offenses in 2007, after 10 years of repeated convictions and a history of violence. But because !LORD M! has an agenda to push, he omits facts that would show a more truthful side to the story, just like the big media conglomerates he claims to decry.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480150]I understand what you are saying. But there are also many instances where good people have been turned into monsters by their religion because they feel they are doing the right thing. Religion really is the key to most of the worst atrocities in history. For their gods sake ISIS are leaving bombs in teddy bears so they can blow up children and thereby allowing them to reach paradise instead of going to hell when rescued by the opposing forces.[/QUOTE] Yes, but those "good people gone bad" is a very small fraction to the overall good muslims that live in western countries. I understand Islam can fuel these types of attacks, and that there is a large portion of muslims that live in Middle East and Asia that don't have the greatest of humanitarian mindsets. But generalizing that being "muslim" is the main reason is just being ignorant. Its like Bill Burr with dealing with hardcore feminists "WHY CANT WE ASK QUESTIONS!!?", instead of just basing off the fact the person was muslim. Dont want to remove your fedora, but if you break down religion and say its the "cause" of the worst things in history, you realize if you took religion out of the worse events that happened in human history, There would obviously be something to replace it. Good example is the crusades, even though a grand part of it was fueled by religious rhetoric, it would've still happened if there wasn't a religious reason at all. Its more of conflicting cultures. The west would've still attacked the middle east, since it viewed them as aggressive invaders that were on a roll, and they weren't going to stop anytime soon.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51480244]Because it's idiotic to think that this: Is somehow less important than: It's just idiotic to think that [I]because[/I] this guy is a Muslim, he did all of that shit, when as it turns out, he was converted while in jail for his previous offenses in 2007, after 10 years of repeated convictions and a history of violence. But because !LORD M! has an agenda to push, he omits facts that would show a more truthful side to the story, just like the big media conglomerates he claims to decry.[/QUOTE] How can I omit facts when I link to the article and have "[i]Michael Coe, a Muslim convert, has a long record of violent offences, starting when he was 16, including assaults, burglary, robbery and violent disorder.[/i]" in the quote. The quote is EXACTLY like it was in the article I quoted and it is the second sentence. That is what quotes are for, it is not a rewriting. So instead you can accuse the newspaper for this agenda while you are throwing around your own agenda.

If anything, this story and the many like it tells me that we need to pave the way to understanding how and why radicalization happens and how we can combat it socially. We need people to take action, in Europe particularly, against the spread of radicalism. I just wish I knew exactly how. Edit* though in this case in particular it does seem that mental instability played a large part, which is also an important but separate issue

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480341]How can I omit facts when I link to the article and have "[i]Michael Coe, a Muslim convert, has a long record of violent offences, starting when he was 16, including assaults, burglary, robbery and violent disorder.[/i]" in the quote. The quote is EXACTLY like it was in the article I quoted and it is the second sentence. That is what quotes are for, it is not a rewriting. So instead you can accuse the newspaper for this agenda while you are throwing around your own agenda.[/QUOTE] Well if you talk about "throwing around your agenda". The fact you went into a thread about a woman being harassed for wearing a hijab and demanding there was "Proof" of what happened and saying it could be a "false flag". And the fact you are trying to say being a muslim causes you to be violent, you are hiding your agenda worse than a morbidly obese man playing hide-and-seek behind a thin light post.

You also changed the title from the article from "Man jailed for attacking boy over embrace with girl in London street" to I"slamist jailed for brutaly assaulting boy over embrace with girl in London street." Your agenda is very clear. Shame on you.

I'm just trying to wrap my head around how you could see people displaying affection and feel like you need to respond with violence. How did that happen? I know it's an islamic thing, but still. That's fucking inhuman.

[QUOTE=St33m;51480389]I'm just trying to wrap my head around how[I] you could see people displaying affection and feel like you need to respond with violence. [/I] ... [I]I know it's an islamic thing[/I][/QUOTE] this can't be serious, please tell me you completely mistyped that. In this particular case, it has to do with with someone who is broken in their head

[QUOTE=da space core;51480409]this can't be serious, please tell me you completely mistyped that. In this particular case, it has to do with with someone who is broken in their head[/QUOTE] Public displays of affection is taboo in islamic societies dude.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51480341]How can I omit facts when I link to the article and have "[i]Michael Coe, a Muslim convert, has a long record of violent offences, starting when he was 16, including assaults, burglary, robbery and violent disorder.[/i]" in the quote. The quote is EXACTLY like it was in the article I quoted and it is the second sentence. That is what quotes are for, it is not a rewriting. So instead you can accuse the newspaper for this agenda while you are throwing around your own agenda.[/QUOTE] Oh please, don't lie to yourself, nobody is gonna buy this shit. You're doing selective quoting and you know it, just like CNN, just like Breitbart, just like any outlet you may hate. You changed the name of the article to put the word "Islamist" as the very first word to attract controversy, you omit the 4th paragraph, to include the 10th one, just to omit how the guy has been a convert since 2007, despite being a convicted felon for violent offences since at least 1997. You need to stop trying to bullshit people with bogus articles and scary headlines.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51480373]You can copy paste all fine. Just read what you copy paste as well. And use some critical thinking and mathematics (that you do possess but are unwilling to use over topics that you are 100% convinced) and see if the guilt rests more at the adjective of a religion he possesses, or on himself, his background, and his life up to that point, his experiences that shaped his character. If you wanna look at Morocco, look at Morocco. That is Morocco, not "Islam" the country. It is demographics and several, few established cultural properties. Not the name of the abrahamic religion the majority practices. [editline]5th December 2016[/editline] I doubt it is spreading, you cant come to statistical conclusions like that from the media. I read somewhere that by count Islamic extremism was on the fall, for example, unlike the death toll maybe due to 2-3 big statistically odd hits.[/QUOTE] I took Morocco as an example of an islamic country, and you know I took it as an example but are playing ignorant of that fact while you do have better deduction capabilities (that you do possess but are unwilling to use when trying to argue your point and instead willfully being snide) trying to make it look like I wrote it as "Islam the country". [QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51480370]Well if you talk about "throwing around your agenda". The fact you went into a thread about a woman being harassed for wearing a hijab and demanding there was "Proof" of what happened and saying it could be a "false flag". And the fact you are trying to say being a muslim causes you to be violent, you are hiding your agenda worse than a morbidly obese man playing hide-and-seek behind a thin light post.[/QUOTE] I am simply concerned for false flagging with similar cases recently where a woman got her hijab janked and robbed by white males shouting Trump all over the place which was showed being a lie, and since there were no witnesses or anything to back her story up and with the similarities to the other story, you gotta use source criticism. I done it before for many articles where I discovered what I was going to post was infact not true from further digging and thereby not posting it. [QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51480383]You also changed the title from the article from "Man jailed for attacking boy over embrace with girl in London street" to I"slamist jailed for brutaly assaulting boy over embrace with girl in London street." Your agenda is very clear. Shame on you.[/QUOTE] But he is an islamist. And it was a brutal assault. Are you saying those are untrue? How many threads in SH got the exact same headline as the original article. It is not part of the quote you know. [QUOTE=Big Bang;51480434]Oh please, don't lie to yourself, nobody is gonna buy this shit. You're doing selective quoting and you know it, just like CNN, just like Breitbart, just like any outlet you may hate. You changed the name of the article to put the word "Islamist" as the very first word to attract controversy, you omit the 4th paragraph, to include the 10th one, just to omit how the guy has been a convert since 2007, despite being a convicted felon for violent offences since at least 1997. You need to stop trying to bullshit people with bogus articles and scary headlines.[/QUOTE] Bogus articles? Please. So this article was made up by the superfascist KKK nazi Hitlermedia called "The Guardian"? I think you need to stop this agenda of yours of dismissing articles showing the truth which you then find insulting as bogus articles.

[QUOTE=Glo;51480361]If anything, this story and the many like it tells me that we need to pave the way to understanding how and why radicalization happens and how we can combat it socially. We need people to take action, in Europe particularly, against the spread of radicalism. I just wish I knew exactly how.[/QUOTE] I'll tell you that xenophobia, persecution, and discrimination are the [B]opposite[/B] of what we need to be doing to combat radicalization. Marginalizing and alienating Muslims at large feeds into the propaganda and rhetoric of religious extremists. Radicalized Muslims tell a story of a world at war with the Islamic faith and people, and paint the extreme rhetoric of extremist groups as the last bastion and prime defender of the faith for True Muslims. Note that this isn't an instantaneous process, either. It takes a long road and a lot of "qualification" to take your average Joe and turn them into a violent extremist. It's a dial, not a switch. Little by little, recruiters and preachers and social agents of extremist ideology seek out those people who are feeling angry, persecuted, and isolated. They engage him in dialog, and over the course of months (or even years) they stoke that person's fear, his resentment, and his alienation until he starts accepts more and more radical lines of thought as being ultimately necessary. You dial him in to extremism. Ironically, much of the same rhetoric is used as by the xenophobes feeding into this system. Extremist propaganda pushes a narrative the Muslim world and the Western world can never peacefully coexist-- that one will always try to dominate and destroy the other, and that the only way to ensure your culture and your way of life is not destroyed is to fight back against the degeneracy and savagery of The Other.