All this kind of stuff makes a little bit more sense if you watch the Clone Wars show.
Maybe because yknow, the writers knew how to develop a character.
i think we all knew exactly how that was going to end
"And he was a good friend."
"AAAAUUUGHGHGHH"
almost woke up my dad laughing at that one
lost my shit when it suddenly became moviebattles
Don't want to go off on a tangent but, I always wondered, when New Hope came out did Lucas have any backstory in mind for the clone wars or was that just some throw away dialogue?
[QUOTE=Srillo;48792086]Don't want to go off on a tangent but, I always wondered, when New Hope came out did Lucas have any backstory in mind for the clone wars or was that just some throw away dialogue?[/QUOTE]
iirc it was all pretty much planned out in a very broad sense. Not all plot points fleshed out, probably just the Emperor's path to galaxy gripping.
[QUOTE=cdr248;48791747]All this kind of stuff makes a little bit more sense if you watch the Clone Wars show.
Maybe because yknow, the writers knew how to develop a character.[/QUOTE]
Do you mean the CG one or the Tartakovsky one? Because the Tartakovsky series kicked ass, really developed Anakin/Obi Wan's relationship with barely any dialogue.
It always bothered me that anakin is a total cunt in the prequel trilogy, and this sums up exactly why. But then, the prequels as a whole bother me anyway, and there's nothing more to add that hadn't already been said in plinkett/rlm's review
Luke, did I ever tell you about the time I chopped your father's limbs off by a river of lava and left him to die? He was a good friend
[QUOTE=revan740;48792175]iirc it was all pretty much planned out in a very broad sense. Not all plot points fleshed out, probably just the Emperor's path to galaxy gripping.[/QUOTE]
its so easy to call bullshit on this anytime anyone mentions this. there's so much cut (BUT FILMED) content in a new hope it isn't funny. also the script and ideas changed pretty massively when they went to go shoot it (han was supposed to be a green space alien; c3po sound like a used car salesmen, etc). Han was supposedly supposed to die in return of the jedi but didn't. Also there is no "Episode IV" in the original cut, Lucas only came up with that when V was released (what a great idea that was eh Georgey boy?)
The biggest tip off is Vader. In ANH Vader was just the bad guy, nothing special. People made fun of him to his face and Tarkin bossed him around. Leia wasn't afraid of him either.
Then in episode V he's a general/admiral and does whatever the fuck he wants. Also becomes Luke's father and has vague notions of ruling the galaxy himself.
In episode VI he's literally the emperor's right hand man.
In episode I he's literally space jesus.
Well on one hand you can say "he was good friend", he's trying to only remember the good, but if you really look back, no. (clone wars make it better).
When you take it into the context of the saga, Obi-Wan was lying to make Luke think his father was a noble warrior so he could follow in his footsteps. He didn't want Luke to know that his dad became Vader- or at least, he didn't want that to happen too soon. I don't know if Obi-Wan was intended to be lying when Episode IV was being filmed, but that's definitely what it seems like now.
[QUOTE=Ithon;48792635]Well on one hand you can say "he was good friend", he's trying to only remember the good, but if you really look back, no. (clone wars make it better).[/QUOTE]
Well people are totally ignoring the fact that he considered him dead after he turned into Darth Vader (as mention in the OT)
Prequels still blow anywho
[QUOTE=Srillo;48792086]Don't want to go off on a tangent but, I always wondered, when New Hope came out did Lucas have any backstory in mind for the clone wars or was that just some throw away dialogue?[/QUOTE]
Unless he had planned for Darth Vader, Tarkin, or The Emperor to talk about it at some point I don't see how it would ever be brought up again. Obi Wan doesn't get the chance to say anything else, there was no reason to believe that R2 and C3PO had anything close to the long history they ended up having, Yoda wasn't implied to be much of a fighter until the prequels, Jabba the Hutt wasn't even a giant slug monster yet, and Bobba Fett was basically a completely different character in the original trilogy and the only reason he changed was because he unexpectedly became popular. As for the chances of Luke and co. running into another random veteran like Obi Wan? Not likely considering that the Jedi seemed to have some significance in the clone wars based on what Obi Wan said about it, and even before the prequels happened Jedi didn't seem to be very common by the time A New Hope takes place.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48792952]When you take it into the context of the saga, Obi-Wan was lying to make Luke think his father was a noble warrior so he could follow in his footsteps. He didn't want Luke to know that his dad became Vader- or at least, he didn't want that to happen too soon. I don't know if Obi-Wan was intended to be lying when Episode IV was being filmed, but that's definitely what it seems like now.[/QUOTE]
i think it is more likely that lucas is a hack fraud
[QUOTE=Srillo;48792086]Don't want to go off on a tangent but, I always wondered, when New Hope came out did Lucas have any backstory in mind for the clone wars or was that just some throw away dialogue?[/QUOTE]
Lucas made the phantom menace soley to cash in on the success on the old movies. He made anikin a kid so children could have someone to relate to. He made all those pod racer characters along with jar jar to cash in from kids. The whole second half of the star wars saga should've been renamed $tar war$
I still remember those happy meal toys of jar jar binks... ough. And as a kid at the time I ate it all up as the gullible little shit he intended the movie to be made for.
[QUOTE=dannass;48793304]Lucas made the phantom menace soley to cash in on the success on the old movies. He made anakin a kid so children could have someone to relate to. He made all those pod racer characters along with jar jar to cash in from kids. The whole second half of the star wars saga should've been renamed $tar war$
I still remember those happy meal toys of jar jar binks... ough. And as a kid at the time I ate it all up as the gullible little shit he intended the movie to be made for.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't the actor who played Anakin have massive regrets over ever being in the movie(s)
[QUOTE=Citrus705;48793329]Doesn't the actor who played Anakin have massive regrets over ever being in the movie(s)[/QUOTE]
Yes. People hated him and made his life a living hell. Giving him death threats and made him quit acting.
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2110383/Anakin-Skywalker-actor-Jake-Lloyd-Star-Wars-fame-turned-life-living-hell.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Srillo;48792086]Don't want to go off on a tangent but, I always wondered, when New Hope came out did Lucas have any backstory in mind for the clone wars or was that just some throw away dialogue?[/QUOTE]
I don't know about ANH, but Empire originally had Lando as a clone who fought in the Clone Wars.
Everyone loves to hate Hayden and the kid from Ep1 but it's really sad. For one, they are just actors and Star Wars are just movies. There are no reasons to hate them outside in real life, not to mention I never heard Hayden do anything wrong and the kid was bullied just because of his role and that isn't healthy for a kid.
Be pissed at Lucas and his team for writing terrible scripts and focusing on ADHD visuals.
That being said both of the actors didn't show much talent. I later saw Jumper with Hayden and although his perofrmance was better it went from annoying to forgettable. But again they didn't pick themselves to play the roles.
[QUOTE=Marden;48793769]Everyone loves to hate Hayden and the kid from Ep1 but it's really sad. For one, they are just actors and Star Wars are just movies. There are no reasons to hate them outside in real life, not to mention I never heard Hayden do anything wrong and the kid was bullied just because of his role and that isn't healthy for a kid.
Be pissed at Lucas and his team for writing terrible scripts and focusing on ADHD visuals.
That being said both of the actors didn't show much talent. I later saw Jumper with Hayden and although his perofrmance was better it went from annoying to forgettable. But again they didn't pick themselves to play the roles.[/QUOTE]
I agree. And speaking of acting in the star wars movies: It's not really their fault they couldn't get into their roles with sets looking like this: [img]http://syruptrap.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/starwars6.jpg[/img]
Now compare that shit to the old sets from the classic movies:
[img]http://www.wallpaperup.com/uploads/wallpapers/2013/02/15/40314/176ac2371c78f08fc7565b695c670b59.jpg[/img]
[img]http://cdn1.ssninsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/star-wars-film-set.jpg[/img]
Add blue screen with lucas's rushed script. You'll get disaster.
[QUOTE=revan740;48792175]iirc it was all pretty much planned out in a very broad sense. Not all plot points fleshed out, probably just the Emperor's path to galaxy gripping.[/QUOTE]
The name Anakin is not even mentioned in the New Hope.
to be fair I've always interpreted it as Obiwan wasn't just gonna come out and directly say "nah bruh, your father was the biggest pos in the galaxy. gg."
though seeing how the Clone Wars show handled the most important character development time period of the two vs. the actual movie that the name comes from, lol.
Hey a while ago someone made a video series about how they would personally "fix" the prequels. It was a pretty good idea and I wanted to find it again but I couldn't. Had a lot of animated storyboards to coincide with the guy telling it, anyone know what I'm talking about?
[QUOTE=General J;48794119]Hey a while ago someone made a video series about how they would personally "fix" the prequels. It was a pretty good idea and I wanted to find it again but I couldn't. Had a lot of animated storyboards to coincide with the guy telling it, anyone know what I'm talking about?[/QUOTE]
Here (second video is the one with the story boards) [video=youtube;VgICnbC2-_Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgICnbC2-_Y[/video][video=youtube;JAbug3AhYmw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAbug3AhYmw[/video]
This is why I like seeing A New Hope as a completely standalone movie, independent of the Star Wars franchise. It makes more sense that way because that's how it was made.
[QUOTE=dannass;48793304]Lucas made the phantom menace soley to cash in on the success on the old movies. He made anikin a kid so children could have someone to relate to. He made all those pod racer characters along with jar jar to cash in from kids. The whole second half of the star wars saga should've been renamed $tar war$
I still remember those happy meal toys of jar jar binks... ough. And as a kid at the time I ate it all up as the gullible little shit he intended the movie to be made for.[/QUOTE]
god damn i was a shitty kid fucking loved jar jar
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48792952]When you take it into the context of the saga, Obi-Wan was lying to make Luke think his father was a noble warrior so he could follow in his footsteps. He didn't want Luke to know that his dad became Vader- or at least, he didn't want that to happen too soon. I don't know if Obi-Wan was intended to be lying when Episode IV was being filmed, but that's definitely what it seems like now.[/QUOTE]
That is just Obi-Wan trying to gain the moral high ground with Luke, which is a technique Obi-Wan has exploited to astounding effect throughout his career as a Jedi, in fact when presented with the high ground Obi-Wan is invincible, as from a certain point of view he had the high ground with both Grievous, Maul and Anakin. However, he did [B]not[/B] have the high ground against Dooku or Vader, who boasted his mastery over Obi-Wan by fighting him on a completely flat surface.
In fact, he even allowed himself to die so he could train Luke on a higher plane of existence.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;48798942]That is just Obi-Wan trying to gain the moral high ground with Luke, which is a technique Obi-Wan has exploited to astounding effect throughout his career as a Jedi, in fact when presented with the high ground Obi-Wan is invincible, as from a certain point of view he had the high ground with both Grievous, Maul and Anakin. However, he did [B]not[/B] have the high ground against Dooku or Vader, who boasted his mastery over Obi-Wan by fighting him on a completely flat surface.
In fact, he even allowed himself to die so he could train Luke on a higher plane of existence.[/QUOTE]
Well now it's absolutely necessary to post these.
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