[UK] Hospital apologises after moving RAF man because of uniform - Polidicks

[IMG]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/B8E8/production/_85763374_qeqm.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]A hospital has apologised after an RAF sergeant was moved away from other patients because staff said his uniform might cause offence. Sgt Mark Prendeville was taken to the Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother Hospital in Margate, Kent, after an accident during a training exercise. A member of staff moved him so other patients could not see the 38-year-old. A previous "altercation" involving a man in uniform led to the sergeant being moved, the hospital said. The aircraft engineer needed medical attention after chemicals from a fire extinguisher got into his eyes while training at RAF Manston, Kent, on Wednesday. He was moved from the hospital's main waiting area into a different part of the accident and emergency department, out of the view of the public. 'Didn't make a fuss' Sgt Prendeville's father, Jim Prendeville, told BBC Radio 5 live the treatment of his son was "shameful". "To say I was incensed would put it mildly. "He's a very quiet man he didn't want to make a lot of fuss. "He was more upset by the way he was treated because of his uniform, than he was about the burns in his eyes," he said. Sgt Prendeville has served in Afghanistan, Bosnia and Iraq, and he was wearing his combat uniform when he arrived at the hospital.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34368332[/url] [I]To be frank, if your offended by a military uniform of a country your living in, you need to take a 'raincheck' and leave.[/I]

[I]what the fuck[/I]

How does that offend?

I feel like it's less about offending and more about distressing. Keep in mind hospital can have lot of very vulnerable, anxious, sometimes delusional people around and that's normal, and seeing a soldier with burns on his face in full combat uniform can be spooky for some elderly lady on dialysis, which can be objectively bad for her health. It's not like he was refused a treatment or was paid less attention than anybody else, quite the contrary. A hospital isn't a tanning bed saloon and if a doctor needs you somewhere else for whatever reason, you should leave it to their judgement.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48765010]I feel like it's less about offending and more about distressing. Keep in mind hospital can have lot of very vulnerable, anxious, sometimes delusional people around and that's normal, and seeing a soldier with burns on his face in full combat uniform can be spooky for some elderly lady on dialysis, which can be objectively bad for her health..[/QUOTE] Are you actually serious? So should we really hide our soldiers from other people because it might offend them or because they have injuries, and other people might not want to look at injured people in a fucking hospital? Where else are they supposed to go?

[QUOTE=kaukassus;48765043]Are you actually serious? So should we really hide our soldiers from other people because it might offend them or because they have injuries, and other people might not want to look at injured people in a fucking hospital? Where else are they supposed to go?[/QUOTE] [quote]A previous "altercation" involving a man in uniform led to the sergeant being moved, the hospital said.[/quote] don't get me wrong, I still think this is fucking ridiculous but they have had an incident in the past (perhaps similar in manner to what awesomecaek suggested?) it's ridiculous they had to move him though, but I understand what they were attempting to do, they just kinda went about it in the wrong way.

[QUOTE=Arrows;48764983] [I]To be frank, if your offended by a military uniform of a country your living in, you need to take a 'raincheck' and leave.[/I][/QUOTE] People aren't allowed to hold anti-war sentiments? Also, that's not the correct use of "your" or "raincheck".

[QUOTE=SeamanStains;48765054][B]People aren't allowed to hold anti-war sentiments? [/B] Also, that's not the correct use of "your" or "raincheck".[/QUOTE] [B]Members of the military aren't allowed to go to the hospital?[/B]

[QUOTE=SeamanStains;48765054]People aren't allowed to hold anti-war sentiments? Also, that's not the correct use of "your" or "raincheck".[/QUOTE] "sentiments" are one thing, this is entirely different, this is just nonsense.

[QUOTE=Enola;48765060][B]Members of the military aren't allowed to go to the hospital?[/B][/QUOTE] I never said that. You're just assuming. I think it's dumb too. I'm just commenting on the OPs sentiments.

[QUOTE=MrBunneh;48765053]don't get me wrong, I still think this is fucking ridiculous but they have had an incident in the past (perhaps similar in manner to what awesomecaek suggested?) it's ridiculous they had to move him though, but I understand what they were attempting to do, they just kinda went about it in the wrong way.[/QUOTE] So just because they once had an incident with a person who happens to wear an uniform justifies them being able to discriminate against every uniformed man that gets sent to hospital?

[QUOTE=kaukassus;48765043]Are you actually serious? So should we really hide our soldiers from other people because it might offend them or because they have injuries, and other people might not want to look at injured people in a fucking hospital? Where else are they supposed to go?[/QUOTE] It's not like they sent him to a dump rofl stop overreacting. They put him into a different part of the hospital, that was just as suited for him being treated as any other, why are people trying to spin this as a controversy? This persecution complex is honestly hilarious. [editline]26th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Enola;48765060][B]Members of the military aren't allowed to go to the hospital?[/B][/QUOTE] [B]Was this guy removed from the hospital?[/B] [editline]26th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=kaukassus;48765077]So just because they once had an incident with a person who happens to wear an uniform justifies them being able to discriminate against every uniformed man that gets sent to hospital?[/QUOTE] Hospital isn't a fucking hotel, you go where the doctor says you should. [editline]26th September 2015[/editline] Fuck, even in the hotel you can't choose your room, you can at best ask politely and if they decide they don't want you somewhere, you can fuck off.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48765082]It's not like they sent him to a dump rofl stop overreacting. They put him into a different part of the hospital, that was just as suited for him being treated as any other, why are people trying to spin this as a controversy? This persecution complex is honestly hilarious. [/editline] Hospital isn't a fucking hotel, you go where the doctor says you should. [editline]26th September 2015[/editline] Fuck, even in the hotel you can't choose your room, you can at best ask politely and if they decide they don't want you somewhere, you can fuck off.[/QUOTE] The hospital [I]apologised[/I] for doing this. They admitted they were in the wrong, you don't need to defend them with this much fervor anymore.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48765093]The hospital [I]apologised[/I] for doing this. They admitted they were in the wrong, you don't need to defend them with this much fervor anymore.[/QUOTE] They apologized because it's less of a fuss than trying to explain things people like you won't understand anyway, it doesn't anyhow validate this.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48765082]It's not like they sent him to a dump rofl stop overreacting. They put him into a different part of the hospital, that was just as suited for him being treated as any other, why are people trying to spin this as a controversy? This persecution complex is honestly hilarious. [editline]26th September 2015[/editline] [B]Was this guy removed from the hospital?[/B] [editline]26th September 2015[/editline] Hospital isn't a fucking hotel, you go where the doctor says you should.[/QUOTE] So are you really saying it's alright to discriminate military personell (or maybe other kinds of professions too) by treating them differently than other people? What if the same thing happened with them hiding a black guy from others? Would that still be acceptable? This has nothing to do with "you go where the doctor says you should!". There was no practical reason to move him.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48765100]They apologized because it's less of a fuss than trying to explain things people like you won't understand anyway, it doesn't anyhow validate this.[/QUOTE] Oh, things [I]people like me[/I] wouldn't understand? Lmao get outta here

[QUOTE=kaukassus;48765106]So are you really saying it's alright to discriminate military personell (or maybe other kinds of professions / etc...) by treating them differently than other people? What if the same thing happened with them hiding a black guy from others? Would that still be acceptable? This has nothing to do with "you go where the doctor says you should!". There was no practical reason to move him.[/QUOTE] Where the fuck is the discrimination coming from? It's a [B]hospital[/B]. You aren't allowed to just go to hospital and hang out wherever you want. When you come to hospital, you [B]have[/B] to adhere to decisions of the hospital personnel, and they [B]do not[/B] have to justify their decisions, mainly if they do not cause any harm to you. Read the rules of any hospital near you. If a doc thinks there's some other patient that might, for whatever reason have problems with somebody in full combat uniform being there, it's enough of a reason to peacefully move you to a different part of the hospital. You can't argue that wearing a combat uniform is same like belonging to a particular race, or gender, or sexuality, and you can't call being moved to a different area than the main waiting room a discrimination. Just stop trying to create controversy, this is completely stupid. [editline]26th September 2015[/editline] [quote]A spokesman for East Kent University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust said: [B]"A member of the armed forces in uniform attended our A&E and was asked by a member of staff if he wanted to sit inside the department rather than the waiting room."[/B][/quote] WHAT AN ABSOLUTE OUTRAGE, THIS MAN SHOULD HANG

what is the world coming to

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48765116]Where the fuck is the discrimination coming from? It's a [B]hospital[/B]. You aren't allowed to just go to hospital and hang out wherever you want. When you come to hospital, you [B]have[/B] to adhere to decisions of the hospital personnel, and they [B]do not[/B] have to justify their decisions, mainly if they do not cause any harm to you. Read the rules of any hospital near you. If a doc thinks there's some other patient that might, for whatever reason have problems with somebody in full combat uniform being there, it's enough of a reason to peacefully move you to a different part of the hospital. You can't argue that wearing a combat uniform is same like belonging to a particular race, or gender, or sexuality, and you can't call being moved to a different area than the main waiting room a discrimination. Just stop trying to create controversy, this is completely stupid.[/QUOTE] Except that the person wasn't hanging out where ever he wanted, but rather in the designated waiting room. And yes, doctors actually have to justify their decisions. They are also bound by rules and legislations. They can't do as they please. And yes it's entirely possible to discriminate against things which are not race or gender related. Discrimination is not restricted to only race and gender. It doesen't matter if it's just "moved to a different waiting room" It's about the fact that due to a "Previous incicent with a person wearing an uniform" that this person was treated very differently to what should have been normally.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;48765106]So are you really saying it's alright to discriminate military personell (or maybe other kinds of professions too) by treating them differently than other people? What if the same thing happened with them hiding a black guy from others? Would that still be acceptable? This has nothing to do with "you go where the doctor says you should!". There was no practical reason to move him.[/QUOTE] In the scheme of what a hospital does, moving a person in full military uniform to another room is not discrimination as they still will receive the full hospital treatment that any other person would. It might seem stupid that they had to move them, but if there has been a previous event, they only do it to ensure the best treatment for everyone.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;48765147]In the scheme of what a hospital does, moving a person in full military uniform to another room is not discrimination as they still will receive the full hospital treatment that any other person would. It might seem stupid that they had to move them, but if there has been a previous event, they only do it to ensure the best treatment for everyone.[/QUOTE] Exactly this, also from the OP he didn't want to make a fuss which is understandable. Seeing wounded servicemen is also slightly distressing I suppose, the Queen Elizabeth hospital in my city treats war wounded and they have a separate ward because of that and also other medical jargon stuff.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;48765106]So are you really saying it's alright to discriminate military personell (or maybe other kinds of professions too) by treating them differently than other people? What if the same thing happened with them hiding a black guy from others? Would that still be acceptable? This has nothing to do with "you go where the doctor says you should!". There was no practical reason to move him.[/QUOTE] Are you fucking seriously saying that this was discrimination? So moving a hospital bed with someone in it over a couple inches thereby allowing an elderly person to get some more light is discrimination against that one guy? Jesus Christ dude, you really need to learn how to change your opinion when new information comes up. This is a pretty god damn open and shut case. Nothing was changed for the Military Officer at all except he was moved to a slightly different part of the building because the hospital was afraid an incident like the previous one might occur. He got the same level of care, the same level of attention that he would have had if he hadn't been moved.

Whole thing blown out of proportion. British soldiers aren't allowed to wear uniforms when they aren't on duty for those very reasons, there are a lot of people who wouldn't mind harassing a man in uniform

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48765174]Are you fucking seriously saying that this was discrimination? So moving a hospital bed with someone in it over a couple inches thereby allowing an elderly person to get some more light is discrimination against that one guy? Jesus Christ dude, you really need to learn how to change your opinion when new information comes up. This is a pretty god damn open and shut case. Nothing was changed for the Military Officer at all except he was moved to a slightly different part of the building because the hospital was afraid an incident like the previous one might occur. He got the same level of care, the same level of attention that he would have had if he hadn't been moved.[/QUOTE] How would you react if you get moved just because of how you look / profession / race / gender whatever? Is doing that okay?

[QUOTE=kaukassus;48765190]How would you react if you get moved just because of how you look / profession / race / gender whatever? Is doing that okay?[/QUOTE] If they were to explain to me that me doing whatever was going to cause a problem with other patients when they really shouldn't be having a bad reaction like that, then yeah, I'd be fine with it. Besides, it's just being moved, it's not like they are literally treating me worse or anything.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;48765190]How would you react if you get moved just because of how you look / profession / race / gender whatever? Is doing that okay?[/QUOTE] Yeah how dare a hospital try and take a step to prevent trouble between patients, who the hell do they think they are?

[QUOTE=kaukassus;48765190]How would you react if you get moved just because of how you look / profession / race / gender whatever? Is doing that okay?[/QUOTE] The hospital have to give treatment to everyone equally, even those who would cause a scene by seeing a soldier.

As I understand it, they moved it because over here there a bit of hysteira over terrorists attacks, especially after Drummer Lee Rigby's death, so seeing some uniformed soldier with burns on him and say if you haven't checked the news in awhile so, you might think there was some sort of attack or so.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;48765043]Are you actually serious? So should we really hide our soldiers from other people because it might offend them or because they have injuries, and other people might not want to look at injured people in a fucking hospital? Where else are they supposed to go?[/QUOTE] He has a point. Hospital just made sure everyone is comfortabe.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;48765043]Are you actually serious? So should we really hide our soldiers from other people because it might offend them or because they have injuries, and other people might not want to look at injured people in a fucking hospital? Where else are they supposed to go?[/QUOTE] It's happened before where soldiers with PTSD have had panic attacks at the sight of police uniforms, it's understandable that military uniforms could induce the same effect.