• Forget Mars, Trump Wants NASA To Visit Jupiter’s Moon Europa And Explore The Solar System
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[t]http://i.imgur.com/zQGra7j.jpg[/t] [QUOTE]Neither candidate spoke much about space during the 2016 election, but just before Trump was elected president, he outlined a plan for NASA to move from an Earth-monitoring agency to one devoted to exploration. When Obama took office, he told NASA to ditch the plan to revisit the moon and concentrate on sending humans to Mars in the 2030s, but Trump has set the space agency only one goal. “I will free NASA from the restriction of serving primarily as a logistics agency for low Earth orbit activity… Instead we will refocus its mission on space exploration.” [...] Trump’s new space policy, heavily influenced by Walker, is designed to coordinate public and private efforts to maximize American efforts to explore the entire solar system. That includes mining valuable minerals from the asteroid belt and visiting Jupiter’s moon Europa, perhaps the best place to find alien life near Earth.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.inquisitr.com/3710152/forget-mars-trump-wants-nasa-to-visit-jupiters-moon-europa-and-explore-the-solar-system/"]Source[/URL]
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Fuck it, go big or go home. The stars must be conquered, brothers! For the emperor!
Was a push to get votes in Florida, will he push through with it?
nice this is nice
awww yeee the god emperor himself is willing to make space exploration great again
Time to really piss off those aliens.
The language of the article makes it look like he's squeamish about actually funding them to do any of this. If a "private-public partnership" doesn't work out as joyfully as one might hope, NASA is going to look like Kerbal Space Program.
Build a wall around our solar system! But seriously, if he does this it will be amazing for humanity.
great but if he doesnt do anything about climate change we wont have those nice shiny launch pads and VAB to do this. also im not really sure a europa mission is even possible given its horrendus radiation, enourmous deltaV requirements and the massive ice block ontop of it
can't find a good source for this one can dream though
He has to make sure no aliens are about.
Falcon Heavy is already capable of sending decent payloads to Europa and it will launch next year (probably). So I guess we will get some sort of rover mission to Europa launched by the heavy at some point.
Make the Universe Great Again [editline]14th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51368853]The language of the article makes it look like he's squeamish about actually funding them to do any of this. If a "private-public partnership" doesn't work out as joyfully as one might hope, NASA is going to look like Kerbal Space Program.[/QUOTE] In my opinion, Private should be doing [I]all[/I] the lifting, to LEO and beyond. NASA should spend its money and focus on building payloads and mission plans. There's no reason the Government needs a big rocket like the Saturn V anymore. The private sector has demonstrated it can do it in a cost effective manner.
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If there's one thing I've gathered from following this election it's that Trump likes to exaggerate. I don't know if he does it because saying what his actual plan is would be considered something that the establishment does. Or if because he doesn't have an actual plan. Either way, it's just words that he will probably never to be able to follow up on. He wants to lower taxes as well as giving more money to Nasa to allow them to do more stuff. You can't have it both ways. Sure it's great that he's thinking about it, but unfortunately I think it stops there and I doubt that anything will come of this, at least under his presidency.
[QUOTE=IQ-Guldfisk;51368931]If there's one thing I've gathered from following this election it's that Trump likes to exaggerate. I don't know if he does it because saying what his actual plan is would be considered something that the establishment does. Or if because he doesn't have an actual plan. Either way, it's just words that he will probably never to be able to follow up on. He wants to lower taxes as well as giving more money to Nasa to allow them to do more stuff. You can't have it both ways. Sure it's great that he's thinking about it, but unfortunately I think it stops there and I doubt that anything will come of this, at least under his presidency.[/QUOTE] NASA funding isn't up to Presidents anyway. Congress funds/approves funding for agencies in the annual budget. I think the best a President can do is make public goals which their administrators (which Presidents nominate) work towards. Think "We will go to the Moon" and Obamas asteroid redirect.
[QUOTE=OvB;51368913] In my opinion, Private should be doing [I]all[/I] the lifting, to LEO and beyond. NASA should spend its money and focus on building payloads and mission plans. There's no reason the Government needs a big rocket like the Saturn V anymore. The private sector has demonstrated it can do it in a cost effective manner.[/QUOTE] Adding on to this, as much as I love NASA and appreciate all the work they do and have done, private sector like SpaceX has been able to do so much more because they're actually funded. For whatever reason, our government doesn't see knowledge of the [I]entire universe[/I] as important.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51368853]The language of the article makes it look like he's squeamish about actually funding them to do any of this. If a "private-public partnership" doesn't work out as joyfully as one might hope, NASA is going to look like Kerbal Space Program.[/QUOTE] If thats the case we will have bases on every moon in the system by the end of his second term :v:
Make Ganymede happen please. I want Cowboy Bebop to be real!
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51368964]Adding on to this, as much as I love NASA and appreciate all the work they do and have done, private sector like SpaceX has been able to do so much more because they're actually funded. For whatever reason, our government doesn't see knowledge of the [I]entire universe[/I] as important.[/QUOTE] No foreseeable strategic benefit for space other than having spy satellites. Anything past LEO is seen as being extremely expensive because you have to develop all the infrastructure for it. The politics in a government agency keep it running inefficiently by nature, etc. Basically no one in congress has a clear plan. Whereas the private sector has a very clear plan that is centered around profit. It runs efficiently by nature because of said profits, and innovation is driven to maximize them. If you go straight Public, in order to get a big thing on Mars, you have to use taxpayer funding to fund the R&D, the R&D for the launcher, funding for the launch site, funding for the construction (which takes place in 4 different states because politics), funding for all the public employees, and extra to cover the bloat. If you go straight Private, the Company will struggle to raise the funds to do it unless there's a clear profit for its shareholders later on. However, if you go Public/Private, you can have the Private company handle all the lifting (basically a space shipping company) with a government contract, while the Public entity focuses on building the habitats and modules and science do-dads that are going to be the meat and potatoes of the mission anyway. [editline]14th November 2016[/editline] If NASA approached SpaceX or Blue Origin saying we want a super heavy lift rocket in 4 years, here's a check. You'd have a super heavy lift rocket in 4 (okay, maybe 5) years.
I wish there was enough funding for space exploration globally that space agencies wouldn't have to prioritize as much, we need to visist all of the solar systems bodies to build up a larger base of more accurate data.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;51368842]Was a push to get votes in Florida, will he push through with it?[/QUOTE] There's a pun here just waiting to be used.
As cool as it would be to aim for Europa, we're just now settling the outer solar system. The only lander on anything past the asteroid belt has be Huygens on Titan, and that was a pretty stringent mission. I feel that we should only aim for human missions once we've done a couple or several robotic missions to any planet/moon. We're still figuring out the radiation mitigation techniques for any human mission to Mars and the Jovian system is leagues more radioactive than Mars.
The Great Crusade begins
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51368964]Adding on to this, as much as I love NASA and appreciate all the work they do and have done, private sector like SpaceX has been able to do so much more because they're actually funded. For whatever reason, our government doesn't see knowledge of the [I]entire universe[/I] as important.[/QUOTE] The problem is not just funding. The problem is space pork with stuff like the SSMEs being used on an expendable rocket. Totally nonsensical and needlessly expensive. NASA should simply be given a mission and be told to execute it with a certain budget - instead they're getting a bunch of bullshit pulled down over their heads.
There is profit to be made by funding groups and corps that are focused on space exploration. Primarily because gas giants are that - giant balls of gas that we could harvest for ourselves, and then there's the asteroid belt in our system which could potentially hold more gold, silver, iron and other minerals than any other deposit on our planet.
Are we going to build an intergalactic space wall to keep aliens from coming to earth illegally?
[QUOTE=Oizen;51369116]Are we going to build an intergalactic space wall to keep aliens from coming to earth illegally?[/QUOTE] WE NEED TO BUILD A DYSON SPHERE but with the radius of the sun to the kuiper built!
oh wow, i'm starting to like trump
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