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[quote]The first military plane carrying Syrian refugees to be resettled in Canada has arrived in the country.
Welcoming the 163 refugees, new Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his country was "showing the world how to open our hearts".
The newly elected Liberal government has pledged to take in 25,000 refugees by the end of February.
Canada's stance on the issue differs sharply to that of the US, which has been reluctant to take in migrants.
Another plane is due in Montreal on Saturday.[/quote]
Feels good to know we're doing this
[URL="https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2015/12/10/to-the-newcomers-from-syria-welcome-to-canada-editorial.html"]Today's Toronto Star front page:[/URL]
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[QUOTE]Ahlan wa salhan.
You're with family now.
And your presence among us makes our Christmas season of peace and joy that much brighter.
...
Canadians have been watching your country being torn apart, and know that you've been through a terrifying, heartbreaking nightmare. But that is behind you now.[/QUOTE]
Are they getting to choose what part of Canada they go to? Are they just going to all stay in Ontario?
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49292237]Are they getting to choose what part of Canada they go to? Are they just going to all stay in Ontario?[/QUOTE]
Better than Quebec, or the Territories
Also Vancouver has about 80% of its condo buildings empty :V
Watch as they become productive members of society
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49292320]Watch as they become productive members of society[/QUOTE]
too many people believe otherwise
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49292320]Watch as they become productive members of society[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid one of them is going to mess up somehow and then falsely represent the rest of the bunch, allowing us to stay in our bigoted ways.
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;49292259]Better than Quebec, or the Territories
Also Vancouver has about 80% of its condo buildings empty :V[/QUOTE]
Isn't quebec really crappy?
Anyway, gratz. Hope they can make a living there.
Here's hoping they can find jobs and integrate into society.
I'm left to wonder if this will lead to another one of Toronto's boroughs becoming a sort of "ethnic enclave" in the coming years. I mean, Markham is Chinese, Brampton is Indian, Vaughan is Italian, I wonder if we'll see one of the regions become predominately Syrian in the coming years as more people bring their families to settle there like what happened in the other cities.
Part of me also wonders, though, if we'll just end up seeing Syrians replace the Somalian refugees from the '90s in ghetto apartments.
Just wait until they start to complain.
"This place is too far away from everything"
"I don't like this forrest here, it smells like nature"
"There's no schools, food places or school around here"
"No playground for the kids"
Because they've made the exact kind of same complaints in Sweden and Denmark.
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;49292259]Better than Quebec, or the Territories
Also Vancouver has about 80% of its condo buildings empty :V[/QUOTE]
I couldn't see them sending them to BC, it's the different part of canada.
[QUOTE=lekkimsm;49293270]Just wait until they start to complain.
"This place is too far away from everything"
"I don't like this forrest here, it smells like nature"
"There's no schools, food places or school around here"
"No playground for the kids"
Because they've made the exact kind of same complaints in Sweden and Denmark.[/QUOTE]
"It's too crowded here"
"I want to go home"
"The economy looks too intense for me"
"I want to get off Canada"
"I can't find the park exit"
[QUOTE=lekkimsm;49293270]Just wait until they start to complain.
"This place is too far away from everything"
"I don't like this forrest here, it smells like nature"
"There's no schools, food places or school around here"
"No playground for the kids"
Because they've made the exact kind of same complaints in Sweden and Denmark.[/QUOTE]
They've been having a lot of trouble actually getting people on the plane for that. A lot of refugees so far have passed up the offer because it was too far from home and planned to move back once the fighting had settled down. I can also assume the cultural rift was too big for them to comfortably integrate with.
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;49292259]Also Vancouver has about 80% of its condo buildings empty :V[/QUOTE]
Except that's not the vacancy rate. That's the result of a massive loophole. Those properties are owned however the Chinese buyers don't actually live in Canada and use the places purely as overseas assets. You won't be seeing immigrants moving into those (or anyone on that matter) without a nasty fight.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49293144]Here's hoping they can find jobs and integrate into society.
I'm left to wonder if this will lead to another one of Toronto's boroughs becoming a sort of "ethnic enclave" in the coming years. I mean, Markham is Chinese, Brampton is Indian, Vaughan is Italian, I wonder if we'll see one of the regions become predominately Syrian in the coming years as more people bring their families to settle there like what happened in the other cities.
Part of me also wonders, though, if we'll just end up seeing Syrians replace the Somalian refugees from the '90s in ghetto apartments.[/QUOTE]
Kitchener-Waterloo has a large concentration of Germans, too, for example. I myself am one >:)
[QUOTE=lekkimsm;49293270]Just wait until they start to complain.
"This place is too far away from everything"
"I don't like this forrest here, it smells like nature"
"There's no schools, food places or school around here"
"No playground for the kids"
Because they've made the exact kind of same complaints in Sweden and Denmark.[/QUOTE]
You understand why they are doing this, right?
You see, other people have a different view of the first world. They see them as incredibly rich and powerful, able to help everyone in their own country if it so chooses. So they get this fantastical view of pretty much any first world country. In fact, the smugglers work on this alone. They say that if the refugees go across the sea they will be treated like kings in Europe, which even if the refugee is smart or knowledgeable they were just through a warzone. So when they reach Europe, some of them think that if they don't get those things, it's the worst deal possible for them. Their entitlement is not due to some cultural or religious beliefs, but rather the unfortunate ignorance to the idea the Europe has problems too.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49292237]Are they getting to choose what part of Canada they go to? Are they just going to all stay in Ontario?[/QUOTE]
I heard they're getting resettled all over the country, even in southern Alberta which I'm sure will end great. I'm not talking just Calgary, my hometown of 60,000 people that's full of dumbass rednecks is getting refugees.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;49292169]Feels good to know we're doing this[/QUOTE]
congratulations on actually acting like a first world country, rather than blubbing behind borders about muslims (UK, USA etc)
canada sounds like a good place to be right now
Good on Canada, here's to a successful, relatively problem-free integration.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49293661]congratulations on actually acting like a first world country, rather than blubbing behind borders about muslims (UK, USA etc)
canada sounds like a good place to be right now[/QUOTE]
Because Canada is top of the "you're next" list....
What has Canada done so wrong to Syria or Iraq? Don't compare Canada's situation to the UK's you idiot it's completely different
It's still lovely of Canada to do this, and that newspaper makes me warm inside.
[editline]11th December 2015[/editline]
This guy you've elected though is so beautifully kind:
[url]http://www.buzzfeed.com/franciswhittaker/tru-love?utm_term=.ex5qA6OgB#.qsZ1v8qnz[/url]
^video
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49293144]Here's hoping they can find jobs and integrate into society.
I'm left to wonder if this will lead to another one of Toronto's boroughs becoming a sort of "ethnic enclave" in the coming years. I mean, Markham is Chinese, Brampton is Indian, Vaughan is Italian, I wonder if we'll see one of the regions become predominately Syrian in the coming years as more people bring their families to settle there like what happened in the other cities.[/QUOTE]
Mississauga perhaps?
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49292320]Watch as they become productive members of society[/QUOTE]
I find it a bit unfair too talk like this when your fetting process is so much better than it could be in Europe. There is an entire ocean between you and Syria and as far as I known smugglers haven't been seen using their own cruise ships to transport refugees illegally to America.
You get 153 families, while I have mainly seen young men come into my country. Families will behave a lot better, because they have eachother and want to build a live for their children.
''They've been having a lot of trouble actually getting people on the plane for that. A lot of refugees so far have passed up the offer because it was too far from home and planned to move back once the fighting had settled down. I can also assume the cultural rift was too big for them to comfortably integrate with.''
So you are even more likely to get families that will do whatever it takes to integrate and make a great future for their families in Canada.
fyi, I am not saying you shouldn't take refugees in, but the situation in Canada is so much easier than any Northern European country. You should keep that in mind when you read news from Europe and scoff at it.
edit: There will be 25000 to 50000 refugees in Canada by the end of 2016, in The Netherlands we have around the 55000 already. Next year we will get another 60000, but since a lot come illegally and the government has a history of underestimating the amount of refugees, you have to keep in mind that it may be even more.
Let's compare the size of both countries:
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Can you see how there might be some fear of integration, especially when we have some history of buggery already?
Let's also not forget we have Merkel practically controlling our borders (not anymore though lol)
Lets not ignore the fact that we are only taking in 25 000. And the selection process cuts the intake down to just families with children.
Canada has a smart immigration sector. We know the dangers and we aren't going to try and act like a wannabe progressive country who goes "oh no people are in trouble! it's time to show the everyone else how loving and accepting and ready to help we are!"
The firm that I work at has an immigration department. You wouldn't believe how strict the laws are for immigration.
Now if only we could fix our damn currency.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49294160]Lets not ignore the fact that we are only taking in 25 000. And the selection process cuts the intake down to just families with children.
Canada has a smart immigration sector. We know the dangers and we aren't going to try and act like a wannabe progressive country who goes "oh no people are in trouble! it's time to show the everyone else how loving and accepting and ready to help we are!"
The firm that I work at has an immigration department. You wouldn't believe how strict the laws are for immigration.
Now if only we could fix our damn currency.[/QUOTE]
Jokes on you though. The Swedes will teach the Syrians of their Viking boat technology, enjoy those Syrian berserkers coming to your coast next year.
In all seriousness though, could you give a bit of insight of how strict those laws are?
Canada gets a tap on the back by accepting well dressed families, while here we are called xenophobic white racist Nazis if we say anything against a group of men who throw rocks at our order police.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49294160]And the selection process cuts the intake down to just families with children.[/QUOTE]
it blows my mind that this wasn't the standard procedure for basically every other country. even if we ignore the very real risks that come along with a lenient immigration policy, should sheltering children as well as the weak and vulnerable not be our paramount goal in this whole thing?
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49293880]Because Canada is top of the "you're next" list....
What has Canada done so wrong to Syria or Iraq? Don't compare Canada's situation to the UK's you idiot it's completely different
It's still lovely of Canada to do this, and that newspaper makes me warm inside.
[editline]11th December 2015[/editline]
This guy you've elected though is so beautifully kind:
[URL]http://www.buzzfeed.com/franciswhittaker/tru-love?utm_term=.ex5qA6OgB#.qsZ1v8qnz[/URL]
^video[/QUOTE]
what
you realise canada was militarily involved in Iraq (mostly in the first one, but still had active serving forces in the second one, and Afghanistan - not to mention that canada performed airstrikes against ISIS in Iraq (only 4 in Syria though)
also what is different in their situation that means the UK can't take refugees but Canada can? judging by the fact that you took the route of 'wrongdoings to iraq and syria', i'm guessing you think security reasons?
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49294450]what
you realise canada was militarily involved in Iraq (mostly in the first one, but still had active serving forces in the second one, and Afghanistan - not to mention that canada performed airstrikes against ISIS in Iraq (only 4 in Syria though)
also what is different in their situation that means the UK can't take refugees but Canada can? judging by the fact that you took the route of 'wrongdoings to iraq and syria', i'm guessing you think security reasons?[/QUOTE]
Sorry I didn't make it clear.
I mean border control reasons and the invitation from Merkel is what has made a would-have-been-ready-for-controlled-refugees situation into a "fuck are you sure about this? we can't adequately provide basic means for most of them now because there are just too many for some places.
I mean the EU and it's ease of access, basically.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49294500]Sorry I didn't make it clear.
I mean border control reasons and the invitation from Merkel is what has made a would-have-been-ready-for-controlled-refugees situation into a "fuck are you sure about this? we can't adequately provide basic means for most of them now because there are just too many for some places.
I mean the EU and it's ease of access, basically.[/QUOTE]
fair enough, I disagree with you but thank you for clarifying
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