[QUOTE]Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Tuesday said he wanted "at least $2 billion" a year from the United States after it withdraws its troops in 2014.
Karzai said the US should specify in a partnership agreement to be signed between his country and the US how much money it will give to Afghanistan after they leave.
"They (US) say we will give you money, but will not specify the amount. We say give us less, but write it down," Karzai told a group of university professors and students in Kabul.
"We want them to write down that America will give for Afghanistan's security $2 billion a year -- or at least two billion a year", he said. "If they want to give us more, they are welcome."
Karzai's comments came a day after he laid most of the blame for an 18-hour assault by squads of Taliban insurgents in Kabul Sunday on intelligence failures by NATO forces.
"The terrorists' infiltration in Kabul and other provinces is an intelligence failure for us and especially for NATO and should be seriously investigated," Karzai said in a statement.
The 130,000-strong US-led NATO force helping the Afghan government fight a decade-long Taliban insurgency is due to end combat operations and pull out by the end of 2014 and the two countries are in talks about their future relations.
Kabul has already achieved two preconditions for signing the treaty -- full control over the US-run Bagram prison and controversial special forces night raids against Taliban insurgents.
Officials on both sides have expressed hope that a strategic partnership agreement governing post-2014 ties could be signed ahead of a NATO summit in Chicago in May.
"We don't want them to spend a lot of money here, we would like to help them save their money, but give some to us too," Karzai said.
The US led an invasion of Afghanistan to topple the hardline Islamist Taliban regime for harbouring Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden after the September 11 2001 attacks on New York and Washington.
Since then it has led a NATO fight in support of Karzai's government against a Taliban insurgency, in which nearly US 2,000 troops have died, according to monitoring group icasualties.org.[/QUOTE]
Source: [url]http://news.yahoo.com/karzai-wants-least-2-billion-us-141710318.html[/url]
How about we tell them to go fuck themselves and let that post-war hellhole deal with its own problems.
2b dollars please.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35612857]How about we tell them to go fuck themselves and let that post-war hellhole deal with its own problems.[/QUOTE]
why are you such a bad poster lol
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35612857]How about we tell them to go fuck themselves and let that post-war hellhole deal with its own problems.[/QUOTE]
how do you even go about forming an opinion like this
do you have any idea, whatsoever, what the situation in Afghanistan is like?
How about we take the money we give to Pakistan to them?
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35612857]How about we tell them to go fuck themselves and let that post-war hellhole deal with its own problems.[/QUOTE]
Post-war hellhole?
You mean the war the US was a part of?
[QUOTE=Sector 7;35612952]how do you even go about forming an opinion like this
do you have any idea, whatsoever, what the situation in Afghanistan is like?[/QUOTE]
I do, the whole place is fucked up, but we should stop dealing with other countries' problems and fix our shit up before dealing with them.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35613109]I do, the whole place is fucked up, but we should stop dealing with other countries' problems and fix our shit up before dealing with them.[/QUOTE]
I agree with the principle of your statement, but not quite the execution of stating it.
There will always be problems in that country, no amount of money or troops will ever fix that.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35612857]How about we tell them to go fuck themselves and let that post-war hellhole deal with its own problems.[/QUOTE]
Hey, hey guys.
How about we go down there.
Then we bomb their shit.
And then they can deal with it themselves.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;35612952]how do you even go about forming an opinion like this
do you have any idea, whatsoever, what the situation in Afghanistan is like?[/QUOTE]
14th century, the same way it's been since the 14th century?
[editline]17th April 2012[/editline]
But seriously, he was speaking to people at a university. He's campaigning.
[QUOTE=Chrille;35613245]Hey, hey guys.
How about we go down there.
Then we bomb their shit.
And then they can deal with it themselves.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, it was a bombed out hell-hole before Americans got there. It's been like that for centuries, not even just the past few decades. They don't call it the "graveyard of empires" for nothing.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35613109]I do, the whole place is fucked up, but we should stop dealing with other countries' problems and fix our shit up before dealing with them.[/QUOTE]
The tiny percent of money that the US sends as foreign aid goes a long way in stabilizing local regions and making smaller countries self-sufficient. 2bn in Afganistan is a pretty small price to pay for a more relaxed middle east that can deal with it's own problems for the next few years, rather than the US having to support another Libya/Kosovo, etc.
What happens if you pump 2bn into the US economy? It might pay the rent for a few 100 charities for a year or two, or get the homeless off the streets for a year, or pay for medical insurance for a few months, but thats it. There's no point in squeezing every last penny out of the US budget when you need serious economic change to alter any of the USA's local problems.
You say that like the money won't be embezzled and stolen by Karzai and his croneys.
[QUOTE=Ridge;35613372]You say that like the money won't be embezzled and stolen by Karzai and his croneys.[/QUOTE]
The US already spends an obscene amount of money on Israel to oppress Palestine. Millions of dollars that have been allocated to Iraq rebuilding has 'gone missing'. Bush spent trillions on an unnecessary Gulf War 2... seems like they have no trouble wasting money themselves, no?
If the money vanishes, then don't give them any more aid.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35613109]I do, the whole place is fucked up, but we should stop dealing with other countries' problems and fix our shit up before dealing with them.[/QUOTE]
This would be a good point.
If it wasn't for the fact that the US is part of the reason why that whole place is fucked up.
Here's how to fix the aid problem:
Don't give any money to people who don't like us
Don't give any money to people who don't use it properly
Don't give any money to first world countries (unless in crisis)
The end.
The problem is that were trying to set up a democracy in places that don't want to and don't know how to run it. It's like what happened with Germany.
[QUOTE=Nikota;35613897]The problem is that were trying to set up a democracy in places that don't want to and don't know how to run it. It's like what happened with Germany.[/QUOTE]
You mean the single country holding the EU afloat?
I'm all for supporting the civilians who have been at loss through this war, but don't let this guy be in charge of it ffs.
Involved in another nation's issues: bad
Fighting a war in that nation: bad
Supporting a dictator: bad
Giving money to stabilize the region we fucked up even more: good
Giving that money to that dictator: bad
Meh.
[QUOTE=Nikota;35613897]The problem is that were trying to set up a democracy in places that don't want to and don't know how to run it. It's like what happened with Germany.[/QUOTE]
Er, what?
[QUOTE=Ridge;35613249]14th century, the same way it's been since the 14th century?
[editline]17th April 2012[/editline]
But seriously, he was speaking to people at a university. He's campaigning.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I believe before the US started backing the Taliban to kick out the Soviets, women were allowed in universities and it actually was pretty westernized. I'll find that article that showed pictures of it in the 60's
[editline]17th April 2012[/editline]
[url]http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/27/once_upon_a_time_in_afghanistan#0[/url]
[video=youtube;dMvJwctXzqw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMvJwctXzqw[/video]
I thought it would be appropriate to just add this in here.
Soloution: Send the money, but in Zimbabwean dollars.
And it'll go straight in the pockets of corrupt officials and the Taliban.
[QUOTE=Chrille;35613245]Hey, hey guys.
How about we go down there.
Then we bomb their shit.
And then they can deal with it themselves.[/QUOTE]
And we dealt with it ourselves by invading them after they bombed our shit
When people say that we should be fixing our own problems and not others, they are not understanding that Afghanistan IS our problem!
We are not trying to fix the place for their benefit, we are trying to fix the place so that they no longer breed terrorist groups.
We are not being selfless donors here, we are looking out for our own interests.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;35614800]Er, what?[/QUOTE]
After WWI a western-imposed democracy ruled Germany. Then Hitler happened.
It worked out in the end though, so I don't really get his example.
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