• Trump Vows to Sue All Female Accusers After Election Completion
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[quote]Steering his campaign toward controversy yet again, Donald Trump vowed Saturday to sue every woman who has accused him of sexual assault or other inappropriate behavior. He called them "liars" whose allegations he blamed Democrats for orchestrating. Trump's blunt threat of legal action eclipsed his planned focus on serious-minded policy during a speech in Gettysburg. Though his campaign had billed the speech as a chance for Trump to lay out a to-do list for his first 100 days as president, he seemed unable to restrain himself from re-litigating grievances with Hillary Clinton, the media and especially the women who have come forward in recent days. "All of these liars will be sued once the election is over," Trump said. He added later: "I look so forward to doing that." Ten women have publicly accused Trump of unwanted advances or sexual assault in the weeks since a 2005 recording emerged in which the former reality TV star boasted of kissing women and groping their genitals without their consent. Trump has denied all allegations while insisting some of the women weren't attractive enough for him to want to pursue. "Every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign," he said. Without offering evidence, he surmised that Clinton or the Democratic National Committee had put the women up to it. Clinton's campaign said it was a troubling insight into a potential Trump presidency. Clinton spokeswoman Christina Reynolds called the speech "rambling" and "unfocused."[/quote] [url=http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a847075beea54855800ade95bf26508c/clinton-tv-ad-hits-trump-hard-he-promises-all-out-effort]AP[/url]
If they truly lied they should be sued, regardless of the man accused.
Watch as Trump conveniently forgets to sue them. The man's all tough talk, but if there's any truth to their accusations, he doesn't have the balls to face them in court. If they're lying, they deserve a defamation suit, so we'll see. He's proven himself a narcissist and a lecher, and the stories I've heard about him from some of these accusers seem to fit his character perfectly. Let's see if there's any substance behind his threats.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51245226]If they truly lied they should be sued, regardless of the man accused.[/QUOTE] It is pathetic though that first thing thing he will do in his presidency is to sue people. Not, you know, push for policies as a goddamn president!
Way to show yourself as a really nice guy, Trump! Cunt. edit: I understand false accusations are nothing to sneeze at, but regardless of the fact, this is the guy that calls anything not in his favor rigged or set up. The part about him denying it due to the fact they're not pretty enough for him is also disgusting either way.
Have they produced any evidence or witnesses since the accusations or is it still their own personal testimony running the claims?
[QUOTE=CroGamer002;51245236]It is pathetic though that first thing thing he will do in his presidency is to sue people. Not, you know, push for policies as a goddamn president![/QUOTE] if he doesn't win, why shouldn't he? For slander, if anything, going after Hilary would be pretty dumb at this point
[QUOTE=WhichStrider;51245238]Way to show yourself as a really nice guy, Trump! Cunt.[/QUOTE] If they're lying as he claims I'd cheer him on for suing them. Fuck people who make false accusations like that, if it were someone else it very well could have ruined his life.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51245241]Have they produced any evidence or witnesses since the accusations or is it still their own personal testimony running the claims?[/QUOTE] 1) evidence of decades old sexual assaults is going to be hard to come by 2) eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51245248]1) evidence of decades old sexual assaults is going to be hard to come by 2) eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable[/QUOTE] So what you're saying is they will lose in court
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51245248]1) evidence of decades old sexual assaults is going to be hard to come by 2) eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable[/QUOTE] Sad that it's such a "He said she said thing" really they deserve to be punished for slander if they lied he deserves to be punished if he really did what they claimed. No one can win, can they.
Same goes for Bill accusers, hope Hillary sue them after election.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51245254]So what you're saying is they will lose in court[/QUOTE] Yeah they likely would as decades old rape and sexual assault allegations aren't going to be verifiable It doesn't mean they're lying or telling the truth, it just means that evidence won't be available in any form. Even with sexual assaults without battery in the current day, you can't prove it without evidence and evidence of that can be very hard to come by, even today. And this says nothing of the hypocrisy of the Trump camp trotting out the same allegations with the same level of validation and you're not jumping in those threads questioning, so I have to wonder how sincere your concern is
[QUOTE=StonedPenguin;51245247]If they're lying as he claims I'd cheer him on for suing them. Fuck people who make false accusations like that, if it were someone else it very well could have ruined his life.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I didn't make a point of that in my initial post. Yeah, that is a shitty thing as it slanders a reputation if it's indeed false. What I have a problem with is how he handles the situation as a whole.
I can't believe anyone in this thread is praising the thought of a billionaire president suing people for daring to accuse him of the sexual assault he's bragged about getting away with. Whether the accusations are true or not is irrelevant: because the accusations are unprovable (just as it is unprovable that it is only slander), you don't imprison Trump for them, AND you do not litigate against the accusers. You only risk either punishing an innocent man or a sexual assault victim.
Not to mention this can potentially reinforce some sexual assault victims to stay quiet on what happened due to threats like this. If it's a lie, shame on them, but for people that are telling the truth, that's some scary shit.
[QUOTE=WhichStrider;51245282]Not to mention this can potentially reinforce some sexual assault victims to stay quiet on what happened due to threats like this. If it's a lie, shame on them, but for people that are telling the truth, that's some scary shit.[/QUOTE] I guess nobody should be punished for false rape accusations unless the suspect has evidence that they're innocent, despite potentially ruining the suspects life (being labelled a rapist)
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51245254]So what you're saying is they will lose in court[/QUOTE] They're either going to lose or he's going to settle out of court.
[QUOTE=bitches;[URL="tel:51245276"]51245276[/URL]]I can't believe anyone in this thread is praising the thought of a billionaire president suing people for daring to accuse him of the sexual assault he's bragged about getting away with. Whether the accusations are true or not is irrelevant: because the accusations are unprovable (just as it is unprovable that it is only slander), you don't imprison Trump for them, AND you do not litigate against the accusers. You only risk either punishing an innocent man or a sexual assault victim.[/QUOTE] If you can't prove it why bother making the claim It makes sexual assault victims look bad since they can't prove their case and get discredited, and makes it less desirable for victims to speak about it when they aren't taken seriously because some accusers had no evidence to support their own claims.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51245322]If you can't prove it why bother making the claim It makes sexual assault victims look bad since they can't prove their case and get discredited, and makes it less desirable for victims to speak about it when they aren't taken seriously because some accusers had no evidence to support their own claims.[/QUOTE] That's an incredibly insensitive thing to say. Sexual assault cases are complex and there isn't always concrete evidence. You're literally telling victims to not talk about it if they don't have compelling evidence; that's pretty fucked up. I'm talking of actual victims, not false accusations. You can't just assume something is true just because a person said it, but you also can't just deny it. It's complex.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51245322]If you can't prove it why bother making the claim It makes sexual assault victims look bad since they can't prove their case and get discredited, and makes it less desirable for victims to speak about it when they aren't taken seriously because some accusers had no evidence to support their own claims.[/QUOTE] No actually I hate this argument, vehemently. Women in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, and even the early 2000's, have always been criticized for bringing to light sexual assault cases. Womens motives are always questioned, and it's always made to look like it's fake by the media at large. So, these women, who lived with their allegations for as many years as they did, could rightfully have done so under the pretense that those in their day who could have listened, wouldn't have listened. And basically, all you're doing is repeating that, and making sure that women never feel comfortable doing it. There is no "Right time" to file a sexual assault charge in the mind of a victim, so I really have to wonder, again, how sincere is your concern? I feel like you only give a shit because this involves Trump, not because women are getting discredited. Women with sexual assault allegations are always discredited by the establishment and media at large, if you really cared about that as a subject, would you not be more concerned with how society always seems to do that, rather than how these women are the bad guys? Like seriously
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51245322]If you can't prove it why bother making the claim It makes sexual assault victims look bad since they can't prove their case and get discredited, and makes it less desirable for victims to speak about it when they aren't taken seriously because some accusers had no evidence to support their own claims.[/QUOTE] this seems like paradoxical logic that only collapses into itself in terms into a cycle of 'not saying what is wrong' like I know its hard to prove not NOT speaking up is the worst thing you can do
[QUOTE=WhichStrider;51245344]That's an incredibly insensitive thing to say. Sexual assault cases are complex and there isn't always concrete evidence. You're literally telling victims to not talk about it if they don't have compelling evidence; that's pretty fucked up. I'm talking of actual victims, not false accusations. You can't just assume something is true just because a person said it, but you also can't just deny it. It's complex.[/QUOTE] Taking that into consideration, what do you think should happen with the Mattress Girl case? Paul Nungesser was completely cleared of any guilt by the college investigation, she refused to go the police for an investigation, and then got on national TV and told everyone that he was a rapist after carrying a mattress around her campus as a permanent reminder to everyone around her that he is a rapist. Is that OK?
[QUOTE=Perrine;51245379]Taking that into consideration, what do you think should happen with the Mattress Girl case? Paul Nungesser was completely cleared of any guilt by the college investigation, she refused to go the police for an investigation, and then got on national TV and told everyone that he was a rapist after carrying a mattress around her campus as a permanent reminder to everyone around her that he is a rapist. Is that OK?[/QUOTE] No? What kind of fucking bullshit argumentation bait is this
Bringing this up at the time would have led to the victims being harassed and laughed at and if they brought it up in more recent times without any kind of evidence they would get shut down, plus Trump would have plenty of defenders speaking up for him. Now, his rep is in the toilet and THERE'S RECORDED EVIDENCE of Trump boasting about sexually assaulting women. It's the best time to come forward.
[QUOTE=Perrine;51245379]Taking that into consideration, what do you think should happen with the Mattress Girl case? Paul Nungesser was completely cleared of any guilt by the college investigation, she refused to go the police for an investigation, and then got on national TV and told everyone that he was a rapist after carrying a mattress around her campus as a permanent reminder to everyone around her that he is a rapist. Is that OK?[/QUOTE] "Its complex" like every case is unique and different to the victim(s)/accuser(s) and accused
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51245385]No? [/QUOTE] can you elaborate
[QUOTE=Perrine;51245403]can you elaborate[/QUOTE] You're literally asking for quick breakdown of the best way forward on a highly complicated subject involving the abuse of student bodies by a student member who was found to be lying publicly. If anything, she's the one who's guilty of libel and slander because she posted things publicly, and engaged in direct attacks on his character. It's not a clean cut case that you can use to bash people over the head with just because you're upset Trump is getting his tiny feet held to a large fire of his own lifetime of his own bullshit
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51245322]If you can't prove it why bother making the claim It makes sexual assault victims look bad since they can't prove their case and get discredited, and makes it less desirable for victims to speak about it when they aren't taken seriously because some accusers had no evidence to support their own claims.[/QUOTE] (btw this whole thing is gonna be hypothetical, i'm not implying the accusers are right) imagine you've been sexually assaulted. this happened 30 years ago. maybe it was a life-changing, traumatic experience, or maybe it was a more minor, but still disturbing, uncomfortable moment. whatever effect this had on you, it was a real thing, a real moment in your life - but there's not going to be any evidence that it happened. do you think you should never ever speak out publicly about it? how far does this 'greater good' narrative go? if that's what you would do, keep it inside, or only talk about it behind closed doors, can't you understand why other people might not?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51245445](btw this whole thing is gonna be hypothetical, i'm not implying the accusers are right) imagine you've been sexually assaulted. this happened 30 years ago. maybe it was a life-changing, traumatic experience, or maybe it was a more minor, but still disturbing, uncomfortable moment. whatever effect this had on you, it was a real thing, a real moment in your life. do you think you should never ever speak out publicly about it? how far does this 'greater good' narrative go? if that's what you would do, keep it inside, or only talk about it behind closed doors, can't you understand why other people might not?[/QUOTE] I suppose it would be a personal choice. I don't think people should be forced into silence. My thoughts would be that I would look bad and make other victims look bad if I can't prove my case. On top of that, publically calling out the accused without evidence slanders them, guilty or not, so then a flaw is created where you can ruin someones reputation without meeding evidence. Accusations like these get people fired because employers don't want to touch the subject with a 40ft pole.
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