[url]http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/bishops-acknowledging-reality-catholic-families-26152677[/url]
[quote]Gay rights groups hailed a "seismic shift" by the Catholic Church toward gays on Monday after bishops said homosexuals had gifts to offer the church and that their partnerships, while morally problematic, provided homosexuals with "precious" support.
In a preliminary report half-way through a Vatican meeting on family life, the bishops also said the church must recognize the "positive" aspects of civil unions and even Catholics who cohabitate, with the aim of bringing them to a lifelong commitment in a church wedding.
The report summarized the closed-door debate that Pope Francis initiated to discuss a host of hot-button family issues such as marriage, divorce, homosexuality and birth control. No decisions were announced, but the tone of the report was one of almost-revolutionary acceptance rather than condemnation, and it will guide discussions until a final document is issued Saturday.[/quote]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29603496[/url]
[quote]The report does not challenge the Church's long-held opposition to same-sex marriage, but some gay rights groups hailed it as a breakthrough.
Conservative groups rejected the report, one labelling it a "betrayal".
More than 200 bishops have been taking part in the synod since 5 October. It was convened by Pope Francis to debate abortion, contraception, homosexuality and divorce.
Monday's report, issued half-way through the two-week meeting, said: "Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community.
"Are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities?"[/quote]
I don't want to say I didn't expect it, but it's still rather surprising.
This is all Pope Francis doing! Bless him!
I admire him for recognizing homosexuals as people too, rather than defilers, blasphemers or whatever else people call them.
Oop. wait, hold on.. this just in.. im getting a signal..
OH.. Turns out god changed his mind again people!
It's nice that he is able to admit that homosexuals are people with emotions and are capable of expressing kindness (a really hard thing to do in 2014, definitely a controversial stance on the part of this pope fella), but what the church offers back to gay people is largely condemnation. Maybe that's the part he should be working on instead.
Even his wording is so slimy, "are we capable of welcoming these people". I don't know mate, you're the leader, make a decision. Are you?
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;46225375]Oop. wait, hold on.. this just in.. im getting a signal..
OH.. Turns out god changed his mind again people![/QUOTE]
You'd think an Omnipresent entity would only have to make up it's mind once wouldn't you?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46225442]It's nice that he is able to admit that homosexuals are people with emotions and are capable of expressing kindness (a really hard thing to do in 2014, definitely a controversial stance on the part of this pope fella), but what the church offers back to gay people is largely condemnation. Maybe that's the part he should be working on instead.
Even his wording is so slimy, "are we capable of welcoming these people". I don't know mate, you're the leader, make a decision. Are you?[/QUOTE]
Pope Francis didn't write it
[QUOTE=smurfy;46225500]Pope Francis didn't write it[/QUOTE]
I was wrong it seems
What actually are the pope's latest statements on the matter?
I don't think most people actually care what the catholic church thinks of them but i'm glad to at least see a little progress away from discrimination.
It's ironic that religion's attempts to stay relevant will end up killing it
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46225634]It's ironic that religion's attempts to stay relevant will end up killing it[/QUOTE]
You know the vast majority of humanity is religious, it's more relevant than ever with no sign of world-wide decline.
[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;46225323]This is all Pope Francis doing! Bless him!
I admire him for recognizing homosexuals as people too, rather than defilers, blasphemers or whatever else people call them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;46225375]Oop. wait, hold on.. this just in.. im getting a signal..
OH.. Turns out god changed his mind again people![/QUOTE]
i hate to burst your bubble but this is not a "major shift", nor is it anything new, its just the church reiterating that while they condemn homosexual acts, [i]simply being gay[/i] doesnt automatically excommunicate you
somewhere along the line pop culture decided that "condemnation of homosexual acts" means "the church hates gays and thinks they're the work of the devil" but you wont find this anywhere in the instruction manual:
[quote]2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. [b]This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.[/b] These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.[/quote]
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;46225442]Even his wording is so slimy, "are we capable of welcoming these people". I don't know mate, you're the leader, make a decision. Are you?[/QUOTE]
it's a rhetorical question
Its not about gay rights, they just finally said something to the extent that being gay may not be a choice and that they might be able to contribute to the church so long as they are abstanant
A small step from the outside, but a giant leap for the church, the problem is the catholic church's opinion on the matter doesn't have any affect in the bible thumping parts of america which are mostly baptist or some christian denomination, but I'll take progress at least, the absolutism with the church is one reason why ive been disillusioned with them
[QUOTE=jonu67;46225460]You'd think an Omnipresent entity would only have to make up it's mind once wouldn't you?[/QUOTE]
Omniscient*
Like they've said, this is just a starting point towards a much larger conversation, even this gathering is only the first part, they now have a year to reflect on the outcome of this meeting and reflect on the scripture and what it means before meeting again for a much larger gathering
[editline]14th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=jonu67;46225460]You'd think an Omnipresent entity would only have to make up it's mind once wouldn't you?[/QUOTE]
It did, we are just really bad at understanding and very biased in our interpretations
So once again the Catholic Church said and did nothing of consequence and tons of people are sucking on Francis' cock for being a big hero.
[QUOTE=Explosions;46228808]So once again the Catholic Church said and did nothing of consequence and tons of people are sucking on Francis' cock for being a big hero.[/QUOTE]
Catholicism is a big religion, and whenever Francis talks, a [B]lot[/B] of people are going to hear him
it's sad that people still give a damn what the catholic churchs stance on anything is. i guess due to it's size it'll be relevant for a long time, but considering it's an institution that has fostered hatred & bigotry & all sorts of fucked up shit (stealing children in spain, covering up priests molesting children) i for one couldn't care less if they were willing to welcome me or not, because i wouldn't accept it even if they were
[editline]14th October 2014[/editline]
although i guess obviously i can understand that in the grand scheme of things the vatican becoming more accepting of gays would be a huge win for LGBT
[QUOTE=Explosions;46228808]So once again the Catholic Church said and did nothing of consequence and tons of people are sucking on Francis' cock for being a big hero.[/QUOTE]
Did you not read, this was the first of a multi year series of gatherings on what direction the church must go, now every cardinal and bishop there must go back and reflect on what they talked about and find meaning behind it before returning next year, the church doesn't work like the Supreme Court, they don't just change things over night
Not really a major shift,
[quote]They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.[/quote]
kind of seems like they're just returning to the big idea of what Christianity is about in the first place
[QUOTE=jonu67;46225460]You'd think an Omnipresent entity would only have to make up it's mind once wouldn't you?[/QUOTE]
That's assuming the Pope really is head of all the Church (which he isn't), and that God has been changing His mind and telling the Pope.
[QUOTE=Luni;46225940]...
somewhere along the line pop culture decided that "condemnation of homosexual acts" means "the church hates gays and thinks they're the work of the devil" but you wont find this anywhere in the instruction manual:
...[/QUOTE]
Mainly because you can't simultaneously say "Gay people are all right" and "Gay people are sinners for being gay", they attempt to separate "the acts" from "the nature" and require anybody who's gay to be abstinent for their entire lives.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;46227915]Not like some hundreds of years ago what was considered the developed world at the time had bloody conflicts justified by religion, unlike today where pretty much every part of the first world is seeing some decline of religious practice along with a sizable non religious population to boot.
Religion will hit its ass on the door when a majority of the world is developed and the gaps religion filled in peoples knowledge are far superseded by its faults. This isn't edgy its just current trends.[/QUOTE]
Um. No. Today we have access to social media and other outlets where like-minded people can express their beliefs (or lack thereof), not because of any trend of increasing non-religious affiliations. That, and the general increase in world population.
[quote]Conservative groups rejected the report, one labelling it a "betrayal"[/quote]
Yeah nah cunts, that's not how it works, the Pope and the Vatican are effectively Gods presence on Earth, whatever they say is what goes fuckos.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;46225673]You know the vast majority of humanity is religious, it's more relevant than ever with no sign of world-wide decline.[/QUOTE]
Decline in the developed world though.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;46229279]Mainly because you can't simultaneously say "Gay people are all right" and "Gay people are sinners for being gay", they attempt to separate "the acts" from "the nature" and require anybody who's gay to be abstinent for their entire lives.[/QUOTE]
Except that there has been people who have become heterosexual after being gay? It actually does happen, more often than you would think.
[QUOTE=normandie;46229076][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/Ziltoidtheomniscientcover.jpg[/IMG]
???[/QUOTE]
you do know it's an actual word, right
[QUOTE=Explosions;46228808]So once again the Catholic Church said and did nothing of consequence and tons of people are sucking on Francis' cock for being a big hero.[/QUOTE]
Are you seriously condemning people for praising a man for making such a statement? You realize his words have a lot of power. The only posts that put him up as a "big hero" are the likes of yours.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;46225673]You know the vast majority of humanity is religious, it's more relevant than ever with [B]no sign of world-wide decline.[/B][/QUOTE]
The fuck you talking about?
[quote]…the % saying they were atheists increased in 15 of 18 countries from 1991 to 2008 with an average increase of 1.7 percentage points. For 1998 to 2008, atheists grew in 23 of 30 countries for an average gain of 2.3 points. Conversely … certain belief in God declined in 14 of 18 countries from 1991 to 2008 with an average decrease of 2.4 points and from 1998 to 2008 loses occurred in 24 of 30 countries for a similar average decline of 2.4 points. Likewise … never believing in God rose in 14 of 17 countries from 1991 to 2008 for an average increase of 1.6 points and increased in 20 of 29 countries from 1998 to 2008 by an average gain of 2.2 points.[/quote]
[url]http://www.norc.org/PDFs/Beliefs_about_God_Report.pdf[/url]
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