European Politicians: America is responsible for ACTA secrecy - Polidicks

[url=http://www.euractiv.com/en/infosociety/us-told-eu-hide-acta-public-news-497373]Source - EurActiv[/url] [quote]The United States is behind the wall of secrecy surrounding global trade talks to combat counterfeiting, say EU policy sources, who claim that American officials are refusing to let their European counterparts publish the draft agreement online. American officials blocked European attempts to publish the latest draft of the global Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) on an EU website after a Washington-based round of negotiations in August. The European Commission, which has been feeling the heat from lobby groups and the European Parliament for greater transparency in the negotiations, debriefed MEPs on the August negotiations yesterday (1 September). MEPs have been demanding to see the full negotiating text as they will be asked to give ACTA their consent in a vote later this year.[/quote] Supplementary good news: [quote]An overwhelming majority of MEPs (663 in favour and 13 against) passed in March a resolution criticising the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), arguing that it flouts agreed EU laws on piracy online.[/quote] Opaque legislation is counter-democratic, it's nice to see the EU stepping up when nobody else will. Thanks, Europe. Show those American lobbyists who's boss.

Our entire "National Security" junk is a load of horse shit. The USA government needs to stop being all high and mighty and just cooperate already, shits getting old.

[quote]MEPs have been demanding to see the full negotiating text as they will be asked to give ACTA their consent in a vote later this year.[/quote] Hopefully they will give a resounding "Fuck no!".

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24562634]Opaque legislation is counter-democratic, it's nice to see the EU stepping up when nobody else will. Thanks, Europe. Show those American lobbyists who's boss.[/QUOTE] See, we're not all that bad, are we?

It will pass through when they vote again, probably due to magically appearing money sums on the bank accounts of those, who voted against it.

Combat counterfeiting? Doesn't it pretty much turn the internet into a police state (which extends to all technology that can access the internet in the real world)?

Feels good to live in the EU... for the moment. You never can tell with these bloody politicians.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;24563636]Combat counterfeiting? Doesn't it pretty much turn the internet into a police state (which extends to all technology that can access the internet in the real world)?[/QUOTE] It's the movie and music industry's wet dream disguised as a trade agreement that combats counterfeiting, yeah.

As it was said in the other thread, the EU is gonna vote on this yet again. So, for all of you who live in the EU and think that they will shoot it down, and that you can actually affect your politicians into voting this down, you are dead wrong. Unfortunately, at this point, I can only assume it is too late to do anything about it, so there goes the internet, I guess. :sax:

[QUOTE=The fox;24564401]As it was said in the other thread, the EU is gonna vote on this yet again. So, for all of you who live in the EU and think that they will shoot it down, and that you can actually affect your politicians into voting this down, you are dead wrong. Unfortunately, at this point, I can only assume it is too late to do anything about it, so there goes the internet, I guess. :sax:[/QUOTE] EU Parliament voted against it back in March; they'll probably vote against this version too, especially now that the US is being such a dick about it.

:smith: The United States' government is so stupid sometimes for money

lobbyists need to bugger off.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;24565138]EU Parliament voted against it back in March; they'll probably vote against this version too, especially now that the US is being such a dick about it.[/QUOTE] Yes.. yes, a government body that voted to take in IPRED, The data storage directive and also didn't say anything about Sweden monitoring all outgoing traffic on the internet and by telephone, amongst other things, most certainly they will vote this down. What a fool I am. :sax:

Good to see America's job as scapegoat to the rest of the world is still alive and well.

Well only like 16 people in the EU parliament voted for it and 650 voted against last time, hopefully it won't change.

Ugh, I hate it when the US does stupid shit like this. Being a US citizen :smith:

Good job EU! Show it to them!

[QUOTE=The fox;24565218]Yes.. yes, a government body that voted to take in IPRED, The data storage directive and also didn't say anything about Sweden monitoring all outgoing traffic on the internet and by telephone, amongst other things, most certainly they will vote this down. What a fool I am. :sax:[/QUOTE] Certainly it cannot be what you hope is true though. While this is indeed a worrying issue, and our future looks grim... I can't say I don't hope that there is still some decency left in these people.

why is acta bad?

[QUOTE=Ridge;24566241]Good to see America's job as scapegoat to the rest of the world is still alive and well.[/QUOTE] It's why we let you borrow our money. [editline]01:30PM[/editline] [QUOTE=bazyboy;24568831]why is acta bad?[/QUOTE] It pretty much gives copyright holders (well, the ones large enough to afford gigantic legal teams - forget the garage bands or indie game devs that ACTUALLY suffer due to piracy, fuck em) policing powers over the internet, amongst other things.

why don't it surprise me that this stupid law that invades privacy was invented by the american government.

[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24568925]It's why we let you borrow our money. [/QUOTE] Ridge status: []not told [] told [x] FUCKING TOLD

When will the men in Washington understand: The government is for the people, by the people. Enough keeping secrets from us for our "security." [editline]11:32AM[/editline] [QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24568925]It's why we let you borrow our money.[/QUOTE] You're welcome for the lend-lease policy and our aid in WWII.

[quote] It pretty much gives copyright holders (well, the ones large enough to afford gigantic legal teams - forget the garage bands or indie game devs that ACTUALLY suffer due to piracy, fuck em) policing powers over the internet, amongst other things. [/quote] thats why i always buy indy games and games that are actually worth my money. most indy games are just 10 or 20 euro's so it isn't that expensive ps: i just bought puzzle bots and its pretty fun :D [editline]08:35PM[/editline] [QUOTE=lagunka;24568968] You're welcome for the lend-lease policy and our aid in WWII.[/QUOTE] most aid came from EU countries not america. you start wars you dont solve them! examples: -japan -Vietnam -Iran -civil war do i need to continue?

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;24568995]thats why i always buy indy games and games that are actually worth my money. most indy games are just 10 or 20 euro's so it isn't that expensive ps: i just bought puzzle bots and its pretty fun :D [editline]08:35PM[/editline] most aid came from EU countries not america. you start wars you dont solve them! examples: -japan -Vietnam -Iran -civil war do i need to continue?[/QUOTE] The Japan war? The CIVIL WAR? Are you really going back that far? Vietnam was helping another country, just all the hippies turned everyone against it, and a war nobody wants or supports is bound for failure.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;24568995]-civil war[/QUOTE] Oh, I thought that WAS resolved. My mistake, according to you.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;24568995]thats why i always buy indy games and games that are actually worth my money. most indy games are just 10 or 20 euro's so it isn't that expensive ps: i just bought puzzle bots and its pretty fun :D [editline]08:35PM[/editline] most aid came from EU countries not america. you start wars you dont solve them! examples: -japan -Vietnam -Iran -civil war do i need to continue?[/QUOTE] Japan bombed us first. Many EU countries had revolutions that led to civil wars. EU was responsible for both world wars. Also, since when are we at war with Iran? Do I need to continue?

[QUOTE=lagunka;24569192]Japan bombed us first. Many EU countries had revolutions that led to civil wars. EU was responsible for both world wars. Do I need to continue?[/QUOTE] Ha, I can't wait for the lame excuse he makes to counter that.

[QUOTE=lagunka;24569192] Japan bombed us first. Many EU countries had revolutions that led to civil wars. EU was responsible for both world wars. Do I need to continue?[/QUOTE] and you bomb back with a A bomb most of those were revolutions against their leaders (ex: French revolution) that was germany not the entire EU

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;24569506]and you bomb back with a A bomb most of those were revolutions against their leaders (ex: French revolution) that was germany not the entire EU[/QUOTE] Read up on your history, the world wars were mainly chain reactions of countries being allied with each other and being forced to join in. Also, the A bomb did the trick didn't it? The Japanese leaders still BARELY voted to end the war after it.