Teenager Gives Birth in a Tent, Proceeds to Beat Baby to Death "Out of Fear of Disappontment" - Polidicks

[QUOTE]BENZIE COUNTY, MI -- An 18-year-old woman admitted to police that she "freaked out" after giving birth in a campsite tent and struck the newborn with her closed fist, a northern Michigan newspaper is reporting. The baby girl died the next day at a hospital. The[URL="http://record-eagle.com/latest/x1913000409/Teen-charged-with-slaying-her-newborn/?state=taberU"] Traverse City Record Eagle is reporting[/URL] that Alyce Morales of Cicero, Ill., "made several admissions" to state police that she caused the infant harm. The baby was born shortly after 11 p.m. July 22 in a tent at the Platte River Campground in Benzie County. Morales was at the campground with her parents. They did not know she was pregnant, police said. The Record-Eagle obtained court documents that offered details of a police interview with Morales. Detectives said they learned she kept her pregnancy secret. [B]“Alyce did not want to tell her parents for fear of disappointment,”[/B] a detective said in the documents. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2013/07/report_teen_gave_birth_in_benz.html[/url] Michigan just passed very restrictive anti-abortion legislation and this is where it gets us. Fucking sick.

Why couldn't she just put the child into an adoption center?

[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;41699269]Why couldn't she just put the child into an adoption center?[/QUOTE] I think if she was in a mental state that made her capable of killing her child, I doubt the possibility of adoption was going through her head.

I hope she is found guilty of Murder, what a sick girl, since when is not getting in trouble with your parents a reason to kill somebody?

[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;41699269]Why couldn't she just put the child into an adoption center?[/QUOTE] She didn't want her family to know she was pregnant, apparently. The things people do out of desperation...

[QUOTE] They did not know she was pregnant, police said.[/QUOTE] What? :suicide:

[QUOTE=Thom12255;41699278]I hope she is found guilty of Murder, what a sick girl, since when is not getting in trouble with your parents a reason to kill somebody?[/QUOTE] If you do this then you're obviously mentally unstable. This girl needs rehabilitation, fast.

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;41699260]Michigan just passed very restrictive anti-abortion legislation and this is where it gets us. Fucking sick.[/QUOTE] Killing a newborn baby has nothing to do with abortion laws, the teenager should be charged with murder/seek mental health evaluation.

I wonder how disappointed her parents are now.

Title was enough for me. Thats murder. [editline]3rd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=The mouse;41699287]What? :suicide:[/QUOTE] TLC has a show about it.

Michigan abortion laws require women to be screened for coercion before getting an abortion. It doesn't regulate when they can get an abortion. That law had nothing to do with it. [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/28/michigan-abortion-law-_n_2377744.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Thom12255;41699278]I hope she is found guilty of Murder, what a sick girl, since when is not getting in trouble with your parents a reason to kill somebody?[/QUOTE] Do you know anything about female psychology? Specifically postpartum depression? Pregnancy and childbirth absolutely flood you with hormones and stress. Then add in her fear of her family. Note that this not an excuse, but people in desperate situations make irrational decisions. I think it's hardly fair to accuse her of cold-blooded murder.

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;41699260][url]http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2013/07/report_teen_gave_birth_in_benz.html[/url] Michigan just passed very restrictive anti-abortion legislation and this is where it gets us. Fucking sick.[/QUOTE] Since when is fear of disappointment a legitimate reason to get an abortion?!? Fear of physical/mental abuse possibly, but not fear of disappointment.

What the fuck is wrong with people...

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;41699314]Do you know anything about female psychology? Specifically postpartum depression? Pregnancy and childbirth absolutely flood you with hormones and stress. Then add in her fear of her family. Note that this not an excuse, but people in desperate situations make irrational decisions. I think it's hardly fair to accuse her of cold-blooded murder.[/QUOTE] I didn't accuse her of cold-blooded murder. She murdered someone, I don't know what the punishment should be for this case but she is guilty.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;41699314]Do you know anything about female psychology? Specifically postpartum depression? Pregnancy and childbirth absolutely flood you with hormones and stress. Then add in her fear of her family. Note that this not an excuse, but people in desperate situations make irrational decisions. I think it's hardly fair to accuse her of cold-blooded murder.[/QUOTE] Nah man, that's murder, maybe not in cold-blood but it might as well be. I'm sure a ton of other teenage girls were in similar situations like this but never once contemplated murdering their own child. The situation being pregnant at a young age and afraid of their parents reactions.

Well, that's one way to abort a child after birth.

[QUOTE=TorrentR;41699343]Well, that's one way to abort a child after birth.[/QUOTE] well it's not abortion if it's after birth

[QUOTE=Thom12255;41699330]I didn't accuse her of cold-blooded murder. She murdered someone, I don't know what the punishment should be for this case but she is guilty.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=LSK;41699338]Nah man, that's murder, maybe not in cold-blood but it might as well be. I'm sure a ton of other teenage girls were in similar situations like this but never once contemplated murdering their own child. The situation being pregnant at a young age and afraid of their parents reactions.[/QUOTE] You have to look at ALL the contributing factors. It makes for very poor justice to just say "MURDER! GUILTY!" What was her family life like? Did she have a history of violent behavior? What were her plans for the baby? All these questions are incredibly important in determining sentencing. If this was just some freak occurrence (women murdering children after birth isn't entirely uncommon, and I highly doubt they're all just randomly murderous) what will throwing her in jail do? She needs psychological help. I'm not saying she isn't guilty, but we have to find out WHY these things happen and try to prevent them and provide help for pregnant women instead of just labeling her a murderer and forgetting about it.

Prison is nowhere near adequate in this case. She needs to be committed to a mental institution.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;41699411]You have to look at ALL the contributing factors. It makes for very poor justice to just say "MURDER! GUILTY!" What was her family life like? Did she have a history of violent behavior? What were her plans for the baby? All these questions are incredibly important in determining sentencing. If this was just some freak occurrence (women murdering children after birth isn't entirely uncommon, and I highly doubt they're all just randomly murderous) what will throwing her in jail do? She needs psychological help.[/QUOTE] She needs something, you're right. Whether or not it should be jailtime, psychological treatment or both is indeterminable by what we currently know. Hopefully the case will be followed by the media so we can keep up with it. I don't know anything about her life or the events leading up to this tragic moment, but I just have a feeling she's guilty of 1st degree murder (not being insane or with good reason), there would have to be some extenuating circumstances involved to prove otherwise. We'll just have to wait and see. [editline]3rd August 2013[/editline] And if anything, [i]anything[/i] at all, killing the child would only make the situation worse no matter what it was. I mean she already had the baby, why kill it? It's been brought into the world, there's no hiding it now, you're just digging the hole a lot deeper for yourself.

I never understood how pregnancy could be kept secret. Does it help if the woman is fat?

[QUOTE=LSK;41699459]And if anything, [i]anything[/i] at all, killing the child would only make the situation worse no matter what it was. I mean she already had the baby, why kill it? It's been brought into the world, there's no hiding it now, you're just digging the hole a lot deeper for yourself.[/QUOTE] Hindsight is 20/20. Like I said, people in that sort of situation aren't thinking rationally. It's really easy to say what she SHOULD have done when you're reading about in an article on a forum isn't it?

[QUOTE=sgman91;41699319]Since when is fear of disappointment a legitimate reason to get an abortion?!? Fear of physical/mental abuse possibly, but not fear of disappointment.[/QUOTE] The mother's and father's will alone should be enough of a reason.

[QUOTE=LSK;41699338]Nah man, that's murder, maybe not in cold-blood but it might as well be. I'm sure a ton of other teenage girls were in similar situations like this but never once contemplated murdering their own child. The situation being pregnant at a young age and afraid of their parents reactions.[/QUOTE] It's a serious thing, called Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. [quote]Birth trauma is an event that occurs during any phase of the childbearing process than involves actual or threatened serious injury or death to the mother or her infant. The trauma can be classified as a negative outcome, such as a postpartum hemorrhage, or psychological distress. Experiencing this extremely traumatic stressor, a woman’s response can be intense fear, helplessness, loss of control, and horror. (Beck, 229)[/quote] Apparently it's more common then you'd think, 9% of women can get it. Not excusing the death of a baby, but you shouldn't look at the incident in such a naive way.

If that parents didn't know she was pregnant and thought she was fat, wouldn't they wonder why she's suddenly lost her fat belly?

Regardless of how unstable she was or whatever she was thinking, what she committed was murder, and should be charged accordingly.

[QUOTE=The mouse;41699287]What? :suicide:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=areolop;41699300]Title was enough for me. Thats murder. [editline]3rd August 2013[/editline] TLC has a show about it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, usually if the woman's the size of a fucking house, they can't really tell if they're pregnant (apparently being absurdly fat messes with their periods as well, so missing it for a few months is 'normal').

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41699292]If you do this then you're obviously mentally unstable. This girl needs rehabilitation, fast.[/QUOTE] Doesn't change the fact she needs to pay for her crimes. And not just through rehabilitation. You can ask FP, prison is rehabilitation apparently.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;41699388]well it's not abortion if it's after birth[/QUOTE] Would "hilariously clocking into the afterlife" be better? Also, how did her parents not realize that she was pregnant? Did they just assume she was fat?