Ukrainian Jews: There is no neo-Nazi takeover - Polidicks

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/world/europe/ukraines-jews-dismiss-claims-of-anti-semitism.html?referrer=[/url] [quote]DNIPROPETROVSK, Ukraine — From his office atop the world’s biggest [url=http://menorah-center.com/?lng=eng]Jewish community center, Shmuel Kaminezki[/url], the chief rabbi of this eastern Ukrainian city, has followed with dismay Russian claims that Ukraine is now in the hands of neo-Nazi extremists — and has struggled to calm his panicked 85-year-old mother in New York. Raised in Russia and a regular viewer of Russian television, she “calls every day to ask, ‘Have the pogroms happened yet?’ ” Rabbi Kaminezki said. He tells his mother that they have not, and that she should stop watching Russian TV. “It is a total lie,” he said. “Jews are not in danger in Ukraine.” Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin, added his own voice to the scaremongering in a speech at the Kremlin on March 18, when he described the ouster of President Viktor F. Yanukovych of Ukraine as an armed coup executed by “nationalists, neo-Nazis, Russophobes and anti-Semites” who “continue to set the tone in Ukraine to this day.” But instead of reeling in panic at any fascist resurgence, the Jewish community of Dnipropetrovsk, one of the largest in Ukraine, is celebrating the recent appointment of one of its own, a billionaire tycoon named Ihor Kolomoysky, as the region’s most powerful official. “They made a Jew the governor. What kind of anti-Semitism is this?” asked Solomon Flaks, the 87-year-old chairman of the region’s Council of Jewish Veterans of the Great Patriotic War, a group of a rapidly shrinking number of World War II veterans. Since being formed in 1994, when it had 970 members, the council’s membership has fallen to 103, the result of old age and emigration to Israel. ... In a recent [url=http://eajc.org/page32/news43672.html]open letter[/url] to Mr. Putin, representatives of more than 20 Ukrainian Jewish organizations noted their country’s political instability but told him not to act on Russian pledges to “protect” threatened minorities. “This threat is coming from the Russian government, namely from you personally. It is your policy of inciting separatism and crude pressure placed on Ukraine that threatens us and all Ukrainian people,” the letter said. The protest movement that overthrew Mr. Yanukovych, the letter added, included some unsavory nationalist groups, “but even the most marginal do not show anti-Semitism” and are “well controlled by civil society and the new Ukrainian government — which is more than can be said for the Russian neo-Nazis, who are encouraged by your security forces.”[/quote]

No shit. they were and still are a minority party.

[quote]The protest movement that overthrew Mr. Yanukovych, the letter added, included some unsavory nationalist groups, “but even the most marginal do not show anti-Semitism” and are “well controlled by civil society and the new Ukrainian government — which is more than can be said for the Russian neo-Nazis, who are encouraged by your security forces.”[/quote] RIP Vladimir Putin zinged to death

Well it was pretty bloody obvious. The Russian claims were enough to convince even some FP users though, so I gotta hand it to Putin and co, they are smart assholes.

What about this? [img]http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/24/eb/d0/00/2.si.jpg[/img] [url]http://rt.com/news/ukraine-memorial-holocaust-vandalized-229/[/url]

[QUOTE=karimatrix;44498858]What about this? [img]http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/24/eb/d0/00/2.si.jpg[/img] [url]http://rt.com/news/ukraine-memorial-holocaust-vandalized-229/[/url][/QUOTE] One asshole with the hand eye coordination of a three year old and a can of white spray paint from hobby lobby crudely waving his flipper arms around and drawing lopsided swastikas does not a neo-nazi revolution make.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;44498858]What about this? [img]http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/24/eb/d0/00/2.si.jpg[/img] [url]http://rt.com/news/ukraine-memorial-holocaust-vandalized-229/[/url][/QUOTE] Could easily be done by Russians, Antisemitism is growing in Russia.

[QUOTE=Swilly;44498940]Could easily be done by Russians, Antisemitism is growing in Russia.[/QUOTE] That's a paper thin argument you got there. At least try.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;44498858]What about this? [IMG]http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/24/eb/d0/00/2.si.jpg[/IMG] [URL]http://rt.com/news/ukraine-memorial-holocaust-vandalized-229/[/URL][/QUOTE] That could be one person with a can of spray paint. If someone was to spray paint "Fuck the nazis" on the side of a building you wouldn't be able to draw the conclusion than the entire country is against the neo-nazis.

The foremost authority on Neo-Nazis has spoken

Putin's just riding on the whole "we are the destroyers of facism" ideology that came up after WW2 in order to get supporters. It doesn't even matter for him if it's true as long as the propaganda works.

Great job putting a huge target on your head for Ukraine's enemies to take aim at. Russia needs people to believe that the Ukrainian government is fascists, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they send some people in to terrorize the jews in Ukraine to make it look that way after this.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;44498958]That's a paper thin argument you got there. At least try.[/QUOTE] Very clever argument actually. In order to prove their arguments are legitimate they could easily pay some jackass to spray paint Nazi symbols on something and use it to further propaganda. If he were to come out, he could easily be discredited or just drop off the face of the planet. Russia knows what it's doing, and they have plenty of useful idiots they can use to help further their goals. Any opposition in the way easily gets crushed, both by a brutal police force, and by the media who labels them as Neo Nazi's and traitors.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;44498958]That's a paper thin argument you got there. At least try.[/QUOTE] Just like the idea that the neo-facist party is spear heading the Ukrainian revolution was?

It's good to hear, although I'm not convinced that antisemitism is really dead in Ukraine. My partner fled from the country with her mother because they believed they were in danger as a result of being jews, even beyond the unsettlingly typical discrimination that they faced there as jews. To be ethnically jewish is still very much a big deal in parts of Ukraine; too often in a very negative sense.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;44498858]What about this? [img]http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/24/eb/d0/00/2.si.jpg[/img] [url]http://rt.com/news/ukraine-memorial-holocaust-vandalized-229/[/url][/QUOTE] lol its RT I bet they spray painted it 5 minutes before they took that picture I wouldn't know if there is neo-nazis in Ukraine, I've never been there but I do know that Russia is using that as a pretense for their invasion, they have a huge incentive to make sure it looks like there's neo-nazis there.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;44502380]Totally no neo-nazi fear-mongering going on there. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u3qoVvep_Y[/media][/QUOTE] I feel like I'm watching a propaganda video here but I have no idea what they're saying. I'm guessing it's a "Resistance against Fascist Ukraine" themed video by Russia?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44504597] I'm guessing it's a "Resistance against Fascist Ukraine" themed video[/QUOTE] You are correct.

fuk wrong thread

[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;44505159]I say we go for Dark Sector Pluto Survival for those sweet T3 keys. [editline]10th April 2014[/editline] Or maybe Sedna for that Oxium.[/QUOTE] ...what?

[QUOTE=helpiminabox;44505196]...what?[/QUOTE] He's talking about Warframe I guess, must've posted in the wrong thread.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;44502380]Totally no neo-nazi fear-mongering going on there. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u3qoVvep_Y[/media][/QUOTE] Feels more like a trailer for Metro 2033 or even Chernobyl.

[QUOTE=Jsm;44499077]That could be one person with a can of spray paint. If someone was to spray paint "Fuck the nazis" on the side of a building you wouldn't be able to draw the conclusion than the entire country is against the neo-nazis.[/QUOTE] Western supporters response to every criticism against EU/US policy - "Fake! Russia/RT did it!". You may have been joking but there is almost a conspiratory mindset on FP in this regard. Svoboda is by western standards a neo-nazi party and they have top posts in Ukraines new, western-backed government. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nnmbR-MWFA[/media] In the end the West doesn't care, this is just a huge game over who gets to control Ukraine.

[QUOTE=smurfy;44496810]RIP Vladimir Putin zinged to death[/QUOTE] Holy shit, yeah. Gonna need some fire engines because Putin got burned so hard he caught fire. I've said it before, but Russia is developing far more of a fascist streak than the Ukrainian government has. [editline]10th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Vintage Thatguy;44505325]He's talking about Warframe I guess, must've posted in the wrong thread.[/QUOTE] I want to think he was making a joke about the high number of Russian players in Warframe deciding to annex something because they can, now.