We've finally got a new law regarding marihuana in the Netherlands!
The Netherlands, known to be an open minded country in regards to drugs, finally got their laws in regard to the smokable updated.
The "tolerance policy" that we had before was kind of weird;
for the end user, so the smokers, it used to be legal to buy weed in a shop, and smoke it.
However, carrying (any!) and trading pot in big amounts was illegal.
This means that you'd have to smoke whatever amount you just bought, IN the shop.
Then, obviously, you'd wait untill you're sober, and THEN you can drive home.
A bit of a problem, to say the least.
Another problem, related to trading in big amounts, meant that the shops were actually not allowed to BUY the pot.
I'll show you a little diagram, to make it more clear:
[IMG]http://s14.postimg.org/v8e4dzg3l/first_there_was_this_BS.jpg[/IMG]
So, in short, it's legal to smoke it, buy it from the store, but the store wasn't allowed to buy it from the growers.
The solution to this would be simple, well two solutions.
Either you ban it all, which, if my brilliant government would have looked at the US, doesn't work.
People are going to keep using it, growing it, selling it, no matter how many people you throw in jail.
Either that, or you make it all legal, so that you can get tax money off the growers, and the entire business
wouldn't have to be thrown into the shroud of the criminal underworld.
So one of these:
[IMG]http://s1.postimg.org/p1rxcjvgv/solutions.jpg[/IMG]
Not quite rocket science, right?
Here's the solution our brilliant minister has cooked up:
[IMG]http://s14.postimg.org/ipf5efpkx/END_ALL_SOLUTION.jpg[/IMG]
BRILLIANT.
To be precise, because this doesn't exactly explain the new ruling:
- Selling any growing gear, (which can range from soil to lights, air circulation equipment, heaters, coolers whatever the fuck), for what you THINK might be a (specifically:)BIG grow-op,
is illegal. If you, selling 20 bags of soil to a potential grow op, DON'T notify the authorities about this "supposed" grow op, you can get 3 (!) years of jaitime.
For selling soil.
To a hippie.
Now there's been a lot of mockery already about this new law, but that didn't stop the police from raiding multiple "grow-shops" all across the Netherlands.
Not that they have any way to prove that these grow-shops sold equipment, knowing that the equipment would be used to set up a "huge" grow-op.
Nor are there any law's which actually specify what is a big grow-op;
once you have more then 3(?) plants, you can get sued anyway.
Nowadays, I can only laugh at the freakshow that is, right now, our government.
TL;DR:
Dutch government fixes broken weed policy, by arresting people who sell soil.
[QUOTE=code_gs;47261916]Source?[/QUOTE]
Oh, my bad. Dutch sources though, yea.
NOS is a state-funded news channel.
[URL="http://nos.nl/artikel/2020946-om-start-offensief-tegen-growshops.html"]NOS[/URL], [URL="https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnos.nl%2Fartikel%2F2020946-om-start-offensief-tegen-growshops.html"]Translation[/URL]
[URL="http://www.nu.nl/binnenland/3998346/openbaar-ministerie-pakt-growshops-met-nieuwe-opiumwet.html"]NU.NL[/URL], [URL="https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nu.nl%2Fbinnenland%2F3998346%2Fopenbaar-ministerie-pakt-growshops-met-nieuwe-opiumwet.html"]Translation[/URL]
[URL="http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/laatste-videos-nieuws/growshops-dicht-door-ingaan-nieuwe-opiumwet"]RTL[/URL], [URL="https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtlnieuws.nl%2Fnieuws%2Flaatste-videos-nieuws%2Fgrowshops-dicht-door-ingaan-nieuwe-opiumwet"]Translation[/URL]
[URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1454288&p=47292972&viewfull=1#post47292972"]UPDATE![/URL] (not entirely related, but quite related)
Source?
Absolutely marvelous solution.
That's assine.
Even when high this doesnt make much sense.
In all seriousness I hope this doesn't affect the weed economy significantly. Bud is already expensive yo
[QUOTE=Killzone(Dylan);47261942]In all seriousness I hope this doesn't affect the weed economy significantly. Bud is already expensive yo[/QUOTE]
I just hope the guy who thought this shit up gets a vote of no confidence.
The solution where everything would be legal, and the big sales could get taxed, was already written up by some mayor's from around the country.
The minister "chose to ignore it".
Like, literally didn't even look at it, just put it beside him and decided that he had a better idea.
[editline]5th March 2015[/editline]
Also this isn't funny guys fuck.
:c
[editline]5th March 2015[/editline]
That'd be the third vote of no confidence apparently.
Holy shit just make it legal, everyone starts growing it. price goes down, black market dies and the goverment can do what it does best, TAX IT
It actually makes sense when you think about it.
Everybody's argument is that, we shouldn't put smokers in jail alongside robbers, killers because it is overcrowding jail and not fair. So you see, Netherlands government isn't pro-weed, but pro-^above statement. Which means they will do everything in their power to stop "smoking weed" without actually jailing smokers.
[QUOTE=cucumber;47262222]It actually makes sense when you think about it.
Everybody's argument is that, we shouldn't put smokers in jail alongside robbers, killers because it is overcrowding jail and not fair. So you see, Netherlands government isn't pro-weed, but pro-^above statement. Which means they will do everything in their power to stop "smoking weed" without actually jailing smokers.[/QUOTE]
I guess, if you see it that way, it does make sense.
But it's been shown trough history that you cant stop people doing whatever drug they want to do.
[QUOTE=Killzone(Dylan);47261942]In all seriousness I hope this doesn't affect the weed economy significantly. Bud is already expensive yo[/QUOTE]
And it will keep being expensive (i.e., same price in Holland as in non-legal countries) until they actually allow mass production and bulk-sale of it.
Now with full legalization in many US states I'm confident prices there will eventually dramatically decrease (if they haven't already) due to the introduction of industrial scale grows and competition between producers, who are the main drivers of price.
You're allowed to carry 5 grams of weed max on you, if you have more than that you can get punished
We really need to kick Ivo Opstelten out of government.
Next up, they'll make it a criminal offense if your water bill becomes too high just incase you're growing weed.
"The illegal cultivation leads, according to the public ministery, to unsafety in neighbourhoods, threats and even liquidations"
so... move it [I]out[/I] of the illegal circuit and neighbourhoods?
The minister who thought this law up is the oldest minister, 71 years old. Figures.
I think that as soon as we get a center or left party with the most seats, it will be fully regulated. Shame we didn't get to be the early birds on a progressive law like that, like we did with gay marriage, abortions and euthanising.
[QUOTE=Strontboer;47262193]Holy shit just make it legal, everyone starts growing it. price goes down, black market dies and the goverment can do what it does best, TAX IT[/QUOTE]
Just because it's legal doesn't mean everyone is going to start growing cannabis, it's the same reason everyone isn't growing their own corn or tomatoes. I don't see people spending 500-2000+ on a grow room setup, and then spending the next 3-4 months tending to their crop. If you spend $100~ a month on pot, growing is going to cost you far more in the long run than just buying it from a guy. Granted what you get can be thousands of dollars street value in cannabis, but you'll never smoke it all yourself or possibly even among your friends by the time your next grow is done. If you grow, you'd only be doing yourself a favor if you and your closest friends are all super stoners who need shit tons of pot. Otherwise, if you grow, you'll probably want to sell to a dispensary or in the Dutch's case, coffee shops.
[QUOTE=Kirbyfactor;47263763]You're allowed to carry 5 grams of weed max on you, if you have more than that you can get punished[/QUOTE]
What i heard is that carying up to 5 grams is tollerated, the police will take it if they find out you carry up to 5 grams. If you carry more you will be punished.
dont know what the fine is tho
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;47263996]Just because it's legal doesn't mean everyone is going to start growing cannabis, it's the same reason everyone isn't growing their own corn or tomatoes. I don't see people spending 500-2000+ on a grow room setup, and then spending the next 3-4 months tending to their crop. If you spend $100~ a month on pot, growing is going to cost you far more in the long run than just buying it from a guy. Granted what you get can be thousands of dollars street value in cannabis, but you'll never smoke it all yourself or possibly even among your friends by the time your next grow is done. If you grow, you'd only be doing yourself a favor if you and your closest friends are all super stoners who need shit tons of pot. Otherwise, if you grow, you'll probably want to sell to a dispensary or in the Dutch's case, coffee shops.[/QUOTE]
Is that a challenge I smell?
like they say, one step forward, two steps back.
Or in this case, just two steps back cause someone's an idiot.
How exactly does a shop that sells marijuana get marijuana if it's illegal to buy it?
[editline]5th March 2015[/editline]
Do they have to grow their own crap?
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;47264205]How exactly does a shop that sells marijuana get marijuana if it's illegal to buy it?
[editline]5th March 2015[/editline]
Do they have to grow their own crap?[/QUOTE]
B-but grow ops are illegal!
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;47264205]How exactly does a shop that sells marijuana get marijuana if it's illegal to buy it?
[editline]5th March 2015[/editline]
Do they have to grow their own crap?[/QUOTE]
hence the netherlands runs a tolerance policy.
"you're not [I]allowed[/I] to grow it, but we'll turn our heads."
until now. they're cracking down on the weed business for some weird obscure soccermom reason.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;47264205]How exactly does a shop that sells marijuana get marijuana if it's illegal to buy it?
[editline]5th March 2015[/editline]
Do they have to grow their own crap?[/QUOTE]
Supplied by the same black market as in any other country
I remember they also stated that the growshop shopkeeper also needs to check if anyone of the buyers is planning to make an plantation, And if the police notices that the shopkeeper is allowing them to he could get 3 years in jail. kinda strange because its impossible to judge if any of them is really planning to start to grow more than 5 plants
This is what happens politicians try to solve problems
Who even uses soil, hydroponics gives better results afaik.
Update!
The Minister of Security and Justice Opstelten, gave his resignation to our king yesterday,
together with our State Secretary for Security and Justice, mr. Teeven.
[IMG]http://www.voc-nederland.org/wp-content/uloads//Opstelten_boos.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://bin.snmmd.nl/m/m1nxdesaw8mx_sqr256.jpg[/IMG]
Apparently, a sum of about 4,7 million guilders (about 2 million euro's, roughly estimated),
was paid to a suspected drug-dealer in some sort of deal, endearingly called the "TeevenDeal".
The deal in itself wasn't such an odd affair:
The suspect, had his money and possesions taken away, but after the court couldn't prove that he got
the money trough illegitimate means, the money had to be paid back.
However, our minister and state secretary for security told our (and international) governments that they only paid the suspect a sum of roughly 2 million guilders.
Recently, after more investigation, our house of representatives wanted more information, and so,
the truth has finally come to light.
Sources:
[URL="http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2015/03/dutch-justice-minister-deputy-resign-over-drugs-dealer-cash-deal/"]DutchNews.nl[/URL]
[URL="http://nos.nl/artikel/2023760-bewindslieden-opstelten-en-teeven-bevestigen-aftreden.html"]NOS[/URL] [URL="https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&tl=fr&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnos.nl%2Fartikel%2F2023760-bewindslieden-opstelten-en-teeven-bevestigen-aftreden.html&edit-text="]Google Translated[/URL](State funded yet no longer state funded news)
[B]TL;DR[/B]
Minister against drugs, because dealing is dangerous, resigns;
because of deal with drug-dealer.
[editline]10th March 2015[/editline]
Also,
Hooray!
[editline]10th March 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=semper solus;47264378]I remember they also stated that the growshop shopkeeper ... could get 3 years in jail....[/QUOTE]
Any plant store btw.
So seriously beeing a cashier in a random plant store can get you 3 years in jail right now.
I hope they undo this mess he made.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;47294114]I will miss the guy, his speeches are creative works indescribable with words.
[video]http://youtube.com/watch?v=JUl7mlB4kW4[/video][/QUOTE]
hah wow i heard the parodies but the real thing is worse than the parodies
edit:
actually the description says he is parodying another politician?
Anyways they will probably replace him with another anti-weed minister
[QUOTE=cucumber;47262222]It actually makes sense when you think about it.
Everybody's argument is that, we shouldn't put smokers in jail alongside robbers, killers because it is overcrowding jail and not fair. So you see, Netherlands government isn't pro-weed, but pro-^above statement. Which means they will do everything in their power to stop "smoking weed" without actually jailing smokers.[/QUOTE]
By doing what, killing supply? How will you assure a standard then when the weed then gets imported through black markets?
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