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[QUOTE]Ukraine's Foreign Ministry tweeted on Wednesday evening a pair of hashtag slogans, #UkraineUnderAttack and #RussiaInvadedUkraine, urging others to share the message.
Authorities in Kiev claimed Wednesday that Russia was massing troops in Crimea, the Black Sea peninsula that Moscow controversially annexed earlier this year, and pointed to evidence that Russian tanks and helicopters had crossed into Ukrainian territory in a bid to open a "second front" by the coastal city of Novoazovsk. On Tuesday, Ukrainian forces apprehended 10 Russian paratroopers in the eastern Donetsk region. Russian officials said the paratroopers' presence on foreign soil was "an accident."
The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry's tweet is just the latest salvo in a long-running social media war that has shadowed months of geopolitical tensions in the region. In the past week, European and American diplomats have used the hashtag #Escalation as a frame for what they consider to be Russia's hostile actions.
In April, at an earlier stage of the crisis, the Russian Foreign Ministry's English-language account hijacked the #UnitedforUkraine hashtag first promoted by the U.S. State Department.
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[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/08/27/ukraine-says-its-being-invaded-by-russia-and-can-you-please-retweet/[/url]
Cold War 2: follow us on twitter!
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;45822727]Cold War 2: follow us on twitter![/QUOTE]
How's this cold war? Firstly, as much as they want to be, Ukraine never was "west". Secondly, people are dying every day.
It's more like Georgian war 2
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45822767]How's this cold war? Firstly, as much as they want to be, Ukraine never was "west". Secondly, people are dying every day.
It's more like Georgian war 2[/QUOTE]
I don't think you are aware of how "west" countries are looking at Russia right now.
[QUOTE=Ghost656;45822777]I don't think you are aware of how "west" countries are looking at Russia right now.[/QUOTE]
"Bad Russia, behave or else!!!!"
*Russia invades*
"stop! Or even else else!!!"
Reminds me of the start of world war two.... Just like Germany had moved military into the Rhineland, testing its limits. (Hint, dispite the fact they wern't allowed too, nobody reacted and it progressed from there)
I know there's a huge civil war going on, but what on EARTH gives Russia ANY reason to invade Ukraine?
[QUOTE=Ghost656;45822777]I don't think you are aware of how "west" countries are looking at Russia right now.[/QUOTE]
The same way they have been looking at them during the Russo-Georgian war that happened mere six damn years ago and was the literally exact same thing? And everyone forgot about it the very next year apparently.
Nothing gonna happen. Russians will take what they want of Ukraine, everyone will be nervous about it for a couple years, and everything will go back to how it was before.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45822853]The same way they have been looking at them during the Russo-Georgian war that happened mere six damn years ago and was the literally exact same thing? And everyone forgot about it the very next year apparently.
Nothing gonna happen. Russians will take what they want of Ukraine, everyone will be nervous about it for a couple years, and everything will go back to how it was before.[/QUOTE]
And then it happens again, and again because Russia knows NATO is going to do jackshit.
[QUOTE=Ghost656;45822874]And then it happens again, and again because Russia knows NATO is going to do jackshit.[/QUOTE]
Since when was Ukraine a party to NATO?
[QUOTE=Ghost656;45822874]And then it happens again, and again because Russia knows NATO is going to do jackshit.[/QUOTE]
There's not that many post Soviet countries not either politically loyal to Russia already or part of NATO. Remember that this entire ordeal only began happening after the Maidan uprising.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45822891]Since when was Ukraine a party to NATO?[/QUOTE]
They're not, but they should be aware of what's going on.
There's this warmongering country invading surrounding countries that can be a possible threat to the EU.
Also don't forget the budapest memorandum.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45822767]How's this cold war? Firstly, as much as they want to be, Ukraine never was "west". Secondly, people are dying every day.
It's more like Georgian war 2[/QUOTE]
Well the Cold war started when Russia occupied other countries following WW2... this is pretty similar.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45822853]The same way they have been looking at them during the Russo-Georgian war that happened mere six damn years ago and was the literally exact same thing? And everyone forgot about it the very next year apparently.
Nothing gonna happen. Russians will take what they want of Ukraine, everyone will be nervous about it for a couple years, and everything will go back to how it was before.[/QUOTE]
The Russo-Georgian war didn't even last a week. This has been going on for quite a while now.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45823043]The Russo-Georgian war didn't even last a week. This has been going on for quite a while now.[/QUOTE]
IF the russians get involved (I know the gov said they have on twitter but they also said lots of shit ) it won't last long, ukraine won't want war since it means they won't get the imf loans and they do not want to be bankrupted, even if it means losing territory.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45822784]"Bad Russia, behave or else!!!!"
*Russia invades*
"stop! Or even else else!!!"[/QUOTE]
Once again, at least we're trying to go for any peaceful resolution BEFORE we bust the guns out and smack Putin's flabby gut.
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;45822793]Reminds me of the start of world war two.... Just like Germany had moved military into the Rhineland, testing its limits. (Hint, dispite the fact they wern't allowed too, nobody reacted and it progressed from there)[/QUOTE]
I keep seeing this comparison everywhere, so let's just go ahead and bury it.
There are a lot of important differences between the events leading up to WW2 and what's happening in Ukraine right now.
Admittedly, the annexation of Crimea was unexpected and perhaps overreaching even for Putin, but Russia has had their military stationed there forever. Making official something that was all but a name I would say is more strategic than aggressive or provoking. Like you said, when Hitler annexed the Rhineland, he was testing his limits. He was literally biting his fingernails and ready to call off the retreat at the first hint of a French advance, but they never called his bluff.
A side point before I continue. The annexation of the Rhineland WAS unprovoked. The public outrage that ensued after the Easter massacre was largely manufactured, and I think one could make a strong case that the massacre itself was at least somewhat manufactured as well.
That being said, Russia's involvement in Ukraine is due to a real threat to their influence in the west. Ukraine with its pipelines ends up being a major financial gateway into Europe, and with the revolutions earlier this year to break away from Russian influence, that influence was threatened. Anyway the point I'm trying to make here is that Russia has its reasons for wanting to keep control over the area other than just flexing its muscles as Germany was doing in the late 1930's. I'm not defending their actions by any means, but there it is.
You also have to take into account the state of Europe back then. By the time Hitler advanced into the Rhineland, the UK was scrambling to rearm its shabby military from the chaos of the first World War, whereas the rearmament more or less never ceased and took off almost immediately after Hitler became chancellor. Today the powers at play are in no such a weakened state, and everybody knows it.
Of course this has the potential to escalate further as does any conflict, but I think the distinctions between now and then are important if we want to understand how to deal with it without making the same mistakes that the past generations did.
You guys like my walls of text?
Euromaidan was begging the US to come stop the Russians.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45823083]IF the russians get involved (I know the gov said they have on twitter but they also said lots of shit ) it won't last long, ukraine won't want war since it means they won't get the imf loans and they do not want to be bankrupted, even if it means losing territory.[/QUOTE]
yeah Poroshenko really really doesn't want to declare war with russia because that would mean closing all the borders, all the trade, closing gas lines and the millions of ukrainians who work in Russia would be stranded
also if they declare a State of Emergency this would mean no elections could take place and this would fuck all the democratic reforms up yet again
but at the same time there are hundreds of people protesting in front of the MoD of Ukraine wanting them to declare war because they are mad about russia beating the shit out of Ukraine
truth is the same people would probably be marching on the street a few months later because the state of emergency is "undemocratic"
the job of the Ukrainian goverment is made much harder because the normal people don't even know what they want anymore
its a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation
Oh my, this is bad.
This is why US should have intervened long ago. Now we have this, Ukraine becoming a Russian state again.
Poor Black_Phoenix and my other pals down there.
Hopefully they wont invade any NATO countries, I think they wont because everyone are afraid of nukes.
Wow, new hashtags will surely fix the immense economical problems and the fact that people are starting to burn wood to heat up towns.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45823613]Wow, new hashtags will surely fix the immense economical problems and the fact that people are starting to burn wood to heat up towns.[/QUOTE]
Just as the gulf war marked the advent of modern warfare, ukraine will mark the advent of modern politics and propaganda. #weAreBeingInvaded #SupportMyGovernment #BelieveEverythingISay
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;45823613]Wow, new hashtags will surely fix the immense economical problems and the fact that people are starting to burn wood to heat up towns.[/QUOTE]
well how are they supposed to fix the economic situation if their former largest trade partner decided to invade them and blockade all trade?
again, if they spend money trying to fix their infrastructure and shit, people will be mad at why the fuck do the soldiers have to ration ammo and when the government focuses on the trying to not lose half the country they get people like you who get all up in their asses for spending money on the army
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45822767]How's this cold war? Firstly, as much as they want to be, Ukraine never was "west". [b]Secondly, people are dying every day.[/b]
It's more like Georgian war 2[/QUOTE]
Uhm, a ton of people died daily from armed conflicts in the Cold War in Korea, Vietnam, El Salvador, Cuba, etc.
[QUOTE=matt000024;45825516]Uhm, a ton of people died daily from armed conflicts in the Cold War in Korea, Vietnam, El Salvador, Cuba, etc.[/QUOTE]
I think claiming something is part of the cold war requires a little more than "people died" and "russia was involved"
[QUOTE=Turing;45825474]well how are they supposed to fix the economic situation if their former largest trade partner decided to invade them and blockade all trade?
again, if they spend money trying to fix their infrastructure and shit, people will be mad at why the fuck do the soldiers have to ration ammo and when the government focuses on the trying to not lose half the country they get people like you who get all up in their asses for spending money on the army[/QUOTE]
Actually they were the ones who decided to blockade all trade with russia despite being completely Russia-oriented (as a post soviet country).
I just don't see how "new hashtags by Ukraine officials!" is news.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45825560]I think claiming something is part of the cold war requires a little more than "people died" and "russia was involved"[/QUOTE]
Awesomecaek seems to imply that people dying means it's [I]not[/I] part of a cold war, which is what matt is arguing against given the prominence of bloody proxy wars in the previous cold war.
RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE???
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Well were boned.
Russia lacks a proper Casus Beli to invade Ukraine. -2 Stability
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