Russian plane crash: flight recorder captured 'sound of explosion' - Polidicks

[QUOTE]The sound of an apparent explosion can be heard on the flight recorder of the Russian-operated plane that came down over the Sinai peninsula, killing all 224 people on board, adding to mounting evidence that a bomb was smuggled aboard, French media sources said on Friday. Giving further credence to the idea that the plane crash was a terrorist act rather than because of structural failure, Russia, which for a week has been resistant to speculation about a bomb, suspended flights to all Egyptian airports. The pilots can be heard chatting normally, including contact with airport controllers, up until the apparent explosion. According to reports from the US, a “flash” from the plane was picked up by US satellites, pointing to an explosion. American officials have also told Reuters that intercepted intelligence “chatter” involving militant groups in Sinai supported the bomb theory. An Isis-affiliated group has claimed three times that it was responsible for bringing down the plane. Source: [url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/06/putin-suspends-russian-flights-to-egypt-after-sinai-plane-crash?CMP=soc_567[/url][/QUOTE]

Still doesn't prove it was a bomb though if it was a structural failure (like the tail theory) you would still get that same noise on the CVR, the only thing that will prove it was a bomb on board or a structural failure is deep analyses into the wreckage to check for marks

Everything points to a bomb.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49067475]Still doesn't prove it was a bomb though if it was a structural failure (like the tail theory) you would still get that same noise on the CVR, the only thing that will prove it was a bomb on board or a structural failure is deep analyses into the wreckage to check for marks[/QUOTE] You can gleam a surprising amount of information by meticulously breaking down and examining these recordings like they do, pretty sure they can tell the difference.

Just wait for them to spend some time with the wreckage, if it was a bomb there will be very clear evidence of that from the pieces of the aircraft.

Wonder how Russia will react should this prove to be a bombing.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49067475]Still doesn't prove it was a bomb though if it was a structural failure (like the tail theory) you would still get that same noise on the CVR, the only thing that will prove it was a bomb on board or a structural failure is deep analyses into the wreckage to check for marks[/QUOTE] When a bomb large enough to instantly destroy an airliner goes off, the flight recorders both end at the exact same moment due to the simultaneous loss of power to both black boxes. The last few milliseconds on the cockpit voice recorder would be nothing other than a sudden burst of incomprehensible noise as the bomb detonates. One or both of these signs would've been present on the flight recorders if the aircraft was downed by an explosive. If there was a structural failure, the pilots would've had a few seconds to indicate they were in distress before they lost control and the aircraft broke apart. Unless this is another TWA Flight 800, the list of alternate explanations shrinks when you consider the flight recorders and the heat flash detected by satellite. The simplest explanation would be a bomb.

[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49067720]Wonder how Russia will react should this prove to be a bombing.[/QUOTE] Invade Crimea

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49067475]Still doesn't prove it was a bomb though if it was a structural failure (like the tail theory) you would still get that same noise on the CVR, the only thing that will prove it was a bomb on board or a structural failure is deep analyses into the wreckage to check for marks[/QUOTE] A bomb wouldn't be hard to prove. You'd find bits from the tail inside bodies that were sat in front of the tail. You'd also very easily find traces of explosive elements just about all over the wreckage near the tail section. And on top of all that there would be very clear indications in a near sphere from the point of the explosion like holes from shrapnel moving outwards. It should be the easiest cause of a plane crash to determine

I'm not saying like there's no possible way it was a bomb I'm just saying that we shouldn't speculate purely from a CVR recording It could very well be an explosion or it could very well be a TWA flight 800 v2

[QUOTE=Saxon;49067570]You can gleam a surprising amount of information by meticulously breaking down and examining these recordings like they do, pretty sure they can tell the difference.[/QUOTE] No how they're going to tell is by reconstructing the plane sections. If it was something like a bomb it would have gone off in a different location to say an exploding fuek tank

The suspicious part of my brain is tingling; what if it wasn't ISIS, but rather somebody else? What if this particular set of people were looking for a reason to back up their campaign in the middle-east?

[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49067720]Wonder how Russia will react should this prove to be a bombing.[/QUOTE] Annex Egypt.

They'll send the VDV on a collective vacation tour from Alexandria to Luxor.

[QUOTE=Shadow801;49068594]The suspicious part of my brain is tingling; what if it wasn't ISIS, but rather somebody else? What if this particular set of people were looking for a reason to back up their campaign in the middle-east?[/QUOTE] I hope you're not implying that Russia killed 224 of their own to 'support their campaign in the Middle East' because if you were I'd say you were very disrespectful and batshit.

[QUOTE=Shadow801;49068594]The suspicious part of my brain is tingling; what if it wasn't ISIS, but rather somebody else? What if this particular set of people were looking for a reason to back up their campaign in the middle-east?[/QUOTE] ISIS has claimed the attack though

[QUOTE=Shadow801;49068594]The suspicious part of my brain is tingling; what if it wasn't ISIS, but rather somebody else? What if this particular set of people were looking for a reason to back up their campaign in the middle-east?[/QUOTE] That much tinfoil I'm surprised you don't have an effect on the tides.

[QUOTE=Shadow801;49068594]The suspicious part of my brain is tingling; what if it wasn't ISIS, but rather somebody else? What if this particular set of people were looking for a reason to back up their campaign in the middle-east?[/QUOTE] Russia doesn't need a reason to continue their "campaign" in the Middle East. Bashar asked Russia to aid in the fight against ISIS, as the US and NATO were/are of no use in the matter (instead, insisting on focusing on him before ISIS). Iraq has requested Russia help them in the very same conflict instead of the US. Afghanistan has mentioned praise for Russia. They don't need any more reason. Only the US gov't and NATO need a reason to keep themselves relevant in the conflict now.

[QUOTE=Shadow801;49068594]The suspicious part of my brain is tingling; what if it wasn't ISIS, but rather somebody else? What if this particular set of people were looking for a reason to back up their campaign in the middle-east?[/QUOTE] mehhh [img]http://imgkk.com/i/xwaf.png[/img]

Someone probably threw a stick of dynamite at it from the ground

[quote]One source close to the investigation told AFP that the black box data “strongly favours” this theory. While another source reportedly said: “Everything was normal during the flight, absolutely normal, and suddenly there was nothing,” adding that the plane had suffered “a violent, sudden,” end.[/quote] "everything was normal until it wasnt" Once they get the FDR (or even the QAR) analyzed they will conclude whether it was the airplane that failed or something else. It could take months before they get any kind of analysis done on the metal looking for explosive material.

[QUOTE=Shadow801;49068594]The suspicious part of my brain is tingling; what if it wasn't ISIS, but rather somebody else? What if this particular set of people were looking for a reason to back up their campaign in the middle-east?[/QUOTE] You're rather foolish if you think Putin feels the need to create any further reason to back operations in the middle east, particularly since they're already underway.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49068572]could very well be an explosion or it could very well be a [B]TWA flight 800[/B] v2[/QUOTE] For those that want to know: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdF5IbsWgMY[/media]