• Israel lobbies foreign powers to cut International Criminal Court funding
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[URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/18/us-icc-palestinians-israel-idUSKBN0KR06720150118"]REUTERS.com[/URL] [quote][B](Reuters) - Israel is lobbying member-states of the International Criminal Court to cut funding for the tribunal in response to its launch of an inquiry into possible war crimes in the Palestinian territories, officials said on Sunday.[/B] ICC prosecutors said on Friday they would examine "in full independence and impartiality" crimes that may have occurred since June 13 last year. This allows the court to delve into the war between Israel and Hamas militants in Gaza in July-August 2014 that killed more than 2,100 Palestinians and 70 Israelis. The decision came after Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, in the absence of peace talks and against strong opposition from Israel and the United States, requested ICC membership, which comes into effect on April 1. [B]Israel, which like the United States does not belong to the ICC, hopes to dent funding for the court that is drawn from the 122 member-states in accordance with the size of their economies, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said on Sunday.[/B][/quote] Basically, International Criminal Court is investigating the latest Palestinian conflict to determine if Israeli did or did not commit any war crimes. What does Israel do? Does it go to defend itself legally? Does it open itself to the investigation, to allow it's innocence to be proven? No. It attempts to push it's allies to cut funding to International Criminal Court.
Cute. Hope the investigation uncovers something very damning. I'd love to see Israel get shafted.
Nothing says "I'm the innocent moral victor" like perverting the course of justice by calling in muscle.
Sure looks like they have nothing to hide huh?
[QUOTE=archangel125;46958619]Cute. Hope the investigation uncovers something very damning. I'd love to see Israel get shafted.[/QUOTE] Hopefully citizens don't get shafted tho
Scumbunny come in, this is JIDF facepunch section! the goyim are at it again, shut it down!!
they arent even trying to be subtle anymore...
I hope they catch these fucking rats. I think Israeli is also behind the attack in the Paris. Ups, sorry, I read only "Israel" and not "Israel lobbies". Then my statement is irrelevant.
[QUOTE=da space core;46959673]they arent even trying to be subtle anymore...[/QUOTE] I'm not sure they ever were. Refusing a UN investigation and demanding not to be investigated by anyone else certainly doesn't strike me as sneaky. This is just the icing on the cake though. I seriously hope it comes back to bite them this time, because there's really no way any logical person could defend this one.
This is the reason why Israel's existance questionable. Has anything good come out of that country for the last decade? Legitimately curious
It would be weird to see the ICC actually prosecute/convict Israel as a result of this enquiry, especially when over the course of 15 years of chasing African Warlords they only convicted two people at a cost of $1 billion..
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46959338]Hopefully citizens don't get shafted tho[/QUOTE] yeah the israeli tyranny has been going on for too long if only it was something like a parliamentary democracy so this stuff couldn't fly without a sufficient approval of the peoples :^)
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;46960651]This is the reason why Israel's existance questionable. Has anything good come out of that country for the last decade? Legitimately curious[/QUOTE] Nope. Just more violence and hatred.
[QUOTE=draugur;46960939]Nope. Just more violence and hatred.[/QUOTE] And Waze.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;46960651]This is the reason why Israel's existance questionable. Has anything good come out of that country for the last decade? Legitimately curious[/QUOTE] other than revolutionary tech, supporting gay and trans rights, and also pulling out of gaza, p much nothing
[QUOTE=Jund;46960709]yeah the israeli tyranny has been going on for too long if only it was something like a parliamentary democracy so this stuff couldn't fly without a sufficient approval of the peoples :^)[/QUOTE] Does that mean US can cut Israel's paychecks?
[QUOTE=Svinnik;46960984]other than revolutionary tech, supporting gay and trans rights, and also pulling out of gaza, p much nothing[/QUOTE] [t]http://www.trbimg.com/img-53d46a88/turbine/la-fg-israel-gaza-truce-20140727[/t] Pulling out doesn't mean much when you leave it looking like this.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;46960984]other than revolutionary tech, supporting gay and trans rights, and also [B]pulling out of gaza[/B], p much nothing[/QUOTE] There's a rape joke to make somewhere in there but I'll have the decency not to make it.
Both sides are as bad as each other, and yet I can sympathise with Israel. They are the ones living next door to those ass hats and as much as Israel are also ass hats, at least they are a proper country. It's easy for us to sit atop our ivory towers with allies on all sides and condemn them for defending themselves, but fuck if we wouldn't be doing the same in their situation.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;46960651]This is the reason why Israel's existance questionable. Has anything good come out of that country for the last decade? Legitimately curious[/QUOTE] Maybe Israel shouldn't exist as a state but considering how fucked the whole area is, is it really fair to pick out Israel and say "yeah this sucks it shouldn't exist"? It's still miles better than some of the states around it, even if it's a prime of Western meddling not necessarily improving a situation.
[QUOTE=Ahyred Ghun;46961227]Both sides are as bad as each other, and yet I can sympathise with Israel. They are the ones living next door to those ass hats and as much as Israel are also ass hats, at least they are a proper country. It's easy for us to sit atop our ivory towers with allies on all sides and condemn them for defending themselves, but fuck if we wouldn't be doing the same in their situation.[/QUOTE] if we were doing the same things, I'd be complaining all the same because I find it utterly abhorrent what they're doing. this is literally evil. This is stopping an investigation of THEIR actions so they don't have to face justice or responsibility. Let me ask you a simple question, would you teach your child, if you had one, that they don't have to be responsible for their actions if they pay/bully/lie enough to get away with it?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46961246]if we were doing the same things, I'd be complaining all the same because I find it utterly abhorrent what they're doing. [/QUOTE] I'm sure you'll still be complaining when those rockets start falling. [QUOTE] this is literally evil. This is stopping an investigation of THEIR actions so they don't have to face justice or responsibility. [/QUOTE] Investigating war crimes against an enemy that follows no rules is a waste of time. Israel knows this and they know that the people condemning them will never live in fear in their countries for a day in their life. [QUOTE] Let me ask you a simple question, would you teach your child, if you had one, that they don't have to be responsible for their actions if they pay/bully/lie enough to get away with it?[/QUOTE] Are you asking if I'd teach my child how to be successful? It's the way the world works buddy.
[QUOTE=Ahyred Ghun;46961289]Investigating war crimes against an enemy that follows no rules is a waste of time. Israel knows this and they know that the people condemning them will never live in fear in their countries for a day in their life.[/QUOTE] I didn't realise every Palestinian is a rocket wielding terrorist. Oh yeah, that's because they aren't. The IDF has systematically massacred civilians in the name of defence and needs to be brought to justice just as much as the minority of rocket wielding Palestinian terrorists.
The reason people here are ticked off at Israel is because their retaliation against the terrorists is completely out of proportion and harm innocent people far more often than actual terrorists.
[QUOTE=da space core;46962103]The reason people here are ticked off at Israel is because their retaliation against the terrorists is completely out of proportion and harm innocent people far more often than actual terrorists.[/QUOTE] ...Said a citizen of a nation that invaded two countries and occupied them over a decade killing hundreds of thousands of people because less than 20 terrorists, most of them not from either of these countries, attacked you guys. By the way, you know the ICC Is investigating the [URL="http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/05/15/is-the-icc-investigating-crimes-by-u-s-forces-in-afghanistan/"]US[/URL] and [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27397695"]UK[/URL] too, right?
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;46962152]...Said a citizen of a nation that invaded two countries and occupied them over a decade killing hundreds of thousands of people because less than 20 terrorists, most of them not from either of these countries, attacked you guys. By the way, you know the ICC Is investigating the [URL="http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/05/15/is-the-icc-investigating-crimes-by-u-s-forces-in-afghanistan/"]US[/URL] and [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27397695"]UK[/URL] too, right?[/QUOTE] I don't see the US and UK bribing their way out if it. We all know the Iraq war was started under false pretences and there was likely war crimes committed, similar to how there is little doubt Israel has committed a war crime. The difference is israel is trying to pay it away.
Well, Israel operates like the US Govt. with Rabies. No, that wasn't a pun.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;46962152]...Said a citizen of a nation that invaded two countries and occupied them over a decade killing hundreds of thousands of people because less than 20 terrorists, most of them not from either of these countries, attacked you guys. By the way, you know the ICC Is investigating the [URL="http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/05/15/is-the-icc-investigating-crimes-by-u-s-forces-in-afghanistan/"]US[/URL] and [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27397695"]UK[/URL] too, right?[/QUOTE] A citizen of the same nation that gives yours the only shred of power it has?
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;46962152]...Said a citizen of a nation that invaded two countries and occupied them over a decade killing hundreds of thousands of people because less than 20 terrorists, most of them not from either of these countries, attacked you guys. By the way, you know the ICC Is investigating the [URL="http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/05/15/is-the-icc-investigating-crimes-by-u-s-forces-in-afghanistan/"]US[/URL] and [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27397695"]UK[/URL] too, right?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque[/url] The opinions of the constituency do not reflect the behaviors of the body. I have every right to believe Israel ought to be held accountable, regardless of what my nation does. Particularly when my nation is one of Israel's principle financial backers. The military conduct of the U.S. or U.K. are entirely different beasts from someone who terror strikes their captive ghetto.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;46962184]I don't see the US and UK bribing their way out if it. We all know the Iraq war was started under false pretences and there was likely war crimes committed, similar to how there is little doubt Israel has committed a war crime. The difference is israel is trying to pay it away.[/QUOTE] Unless I'm missing something, I think you're misreading the article. Israel isn't trying to pay or bribe anything away. Israel is lobbying nations like the USA to put pressure on the ICC to drop the investigation by cutting its funding. That means the USA would, in theory, be threatening to cut the ICC's funding. So unless you think Israel is somehow paying off Obama with Jew gold to do this, it's more likely that the USA and its allies have an interest in blocking this kind of investigation because, again, they are also being investigated by the ICC and if Israel gets nailed would be next in line.
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