Sales of Kalashnikov products soar as US sanctions hit
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[QUOTE]Here's a surprising effect of the latest U.S. sanctions against Russia: a run on AK-47s.
Among the companies sanctioned this week was Kalashnikov Concern, the maker of the automatic weapon.
"We sell some of the Kalashnikov Concern stuff and that has been selling fast," said Robert Keller, manager of K-Var Corp., a Las Vegas-based online gun distributor.
Keller said his company has been sold out of the guns since the sanctions went into effect. On K-Var's web site, AK-47s are listed as "out of stock."
The Obama administration issued sanctions against Russian companies in response to Russia's role in a separatist movement in Ukraine. An increasingly violent civil war between Ukraine's government and the separatists resulted in tragedy Thursday, when a Malaysian Airlines passenger plane was shot down, killing 298 people.
According to the Treasury Department, Kalashnikov Concern is banned from importing its guns -- including the AK-47 and more advanced AK-74 -- into the United States. But, in a statement posted on its Web site, Treasury said Americans are allowed to own, buy and sell the guns, so long as they were already in the U.S. prior to the sanctions.
Keller said he is scrambling to acquire more Kalashnikov guns from U.S. distributors. He also said he still selling many weapons similar to the AK-47, such as the SAM7 brand of Bulgarian-made rifles.
Kalashnikov Concern could not be reached for comment[/QUOTE]
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I was planning to buy a Vepr soon. Ugh.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;45443491]I was planning to buy a Vepr soon. Ugh.[/QUOTE]
Eh, just build your own out of a shovel.
Gee-whilkers, this is totally going to do anything at all to Russia! It's not like its not just going to piss off gun-owners by creating another .22LR Scare situation.
The sad thing about this is that Russia will just put on a fuck-all grin and get it's arms industries to transfer the export industries to Belarus or Romania, and just circumvent the arms ban akin to how they are circumventing the current ammo ban.
Remember the all time important lesson kids: If Jimmy isn't buying your product directly from you, just make Susan sell the product to Jimmy.
Time to sell my AK while the prices are still ludicrous
there goes my dreams of buying a saiga
The US is awash in AKs and AK clones. Who cares if factory new ones that actually say Kalashnikov on the side aren't coming in for a while?
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45443538]
The sad thing about this is that Russia will just put on a fuck-all grin[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-economy-edge-recession-mh17-incident-wont-help-1633198[/url]
Economic warfare is only going to provoke Russia and unite Russia's citizens. The U.S. is shooting itself in the foot if they want democracy in Russia.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45443538]
Remember the all time important lesson kids: If Jimmy isn't buying your product directly from you, just make Susan sell the product to Jimmy.[/QUOTE]
Susan and Jimmy aren't employers, Susan and Jimmy aren't nations, aren't patent-holders, don't pay overhead on logistics, don't make one of the most controlled products on earth
Susan and Jimmy are a shit analogy
It's okay. I had about the same chance of acquiring an AK in California as I did a nuclear weapon. Nothing has changed.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45443969]Economic warfare is only going to provoke Russia and unite Russia's citizens. The U.S. is shooting itself in the foot [B]if they want democracy in Russia[/B].[/QUOTE]
You know that Russia is a representative democracy, right? Their voting system is quite similar to the one in the US.
[QUOTE=Alfax;45444685]You know that Russia is a representative democracy, right? Their voting system is quite similar to the one in the US.[/QUOTE]
When your voter turnouts don't drop below 105% you're not running a representative democracy.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45444763]When your voter turnouts don't drop below 105% you're not running a representative democracy.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely, but the officials will still claim it works like a representative democracy, and the citizens will still vote as if it were a representative democracy. You can't bring democracy to a country that claims to have a democratic system, even though their elections are rigged more often than not. It really sucks, but I guess that's how they want it to work.
[QUOTE=Alfax;45444838]Absolutely, but the officials will still claim it works like a representative democracy, and the citizens will still vote as if it were a representative democracy. You can't bring democracy to a country that claims to have a democratic system, even though their elections are rigged more often than not. It really sucks, but I guess that's how they want it to work.[/QUOTE]
america will bring democracy to a country even if it already has a democracy
A friend and I visited 4 different gun stores that we knew had Saigas in stock the day this was imposed. All of them had "sold as soon as the store opened for some reason."
[QUOTE=Alfax;45444838] You can't bring democracy to a country that claims to have a democratic system[/QUOTE]
that sounds like COMMUNIST QUITTER TALK
REV UP THE B-52 DEMOCRACY DISPENSERS
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45444763]When your voter turnouts don't drop below 105% you're not running a representative democracy.[/QUOTE]
Your voter turnout is kinda low compared to other democracies though..
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45447250]Your voter turnout is kinda low compared to other democracies though..[/QUOTE]
thank you for the unrelated information
This kind of shit just pisses me off.
This isn't hurting Russia at all, they don't give a fuck. All this is doing is hurting American gun owners.
Which is probably exactly what it was meant to do in the first place, they just needed an excuse.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;45447452]thank you for the unrelated information[/QUOTE]
ain't no thing
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45444763]When your voter turnouts don't drop below 105% you're not running a representative democracy.[/QUOTE]
Quick reminder : the US still uses big electors instead of direct voting. Not mentionning the fact the rest of the world can't spot any difference between democrats and republicans.
I'm no Russian politic expert, but if anything, you're on the same level of democracy.
I understand. You gotta do something even if it's "something" is pointless. Or people could think that you don't care.
This won't affect Nagant sales, right
[QUOTE=Telepethi;45447534]This kind of shit just pisses me off.
This isn't hurting Russia at all, they don't give a fuck. All this is doing is hurting American gun owners.
Which is probably exactly what it was meant to do in the first place, they just needed an excuse.[/QUOTE]
You're right, the government did this just to hurt your guns.
[QUOTE=Telepethi;45447534]All this is doing is hurting American gun owners.[/QUOTE]
If not buying a particular brand of slavshit is causing you deep pain, you're not an "American gun owner", you're a fetishist. Buy a Romanian one if you're going to cry without that new AK smell.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45443538]Gee-whilkers, this is totally going to do anything at all to Russia! It's not like its not just going to piss off gun-owners by creating another .22LR Scare situation.
The sad thing about this is that Russia will just put on a fuck-all grin and get it's arms industries to transfer the export industries to Belarus or [B]Romania[/B], and just circumvent the arms ban akin to how they are circumventing the current ammo ban.
Remember the all time important lesson kids: If Jimmy isn't buying your product directly from you, just make Susan sell the product to Jimmy.[/QUOTE]
U wot? We make our own weapons, we don't buy shit from Russia
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45448378]This won't affect Nagant sales, right[/QUOTE]
From what I understand, no. However, we need to factor in panic buyers as well. Same goes for 54R ammo. The Russians will circumnavigate sells through others, however.
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;45448828]U wot? We make our own weapons, we don't buy shit from Russia[/QUOTE]
That's the point. Export industries will just be put into different countries who will effectively manufacture the same exact weapon and ammo, and these will be exported to the United States.
For example:
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This is the WASR-10
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This is the AKM
Effectively a few differences in cosmetic appearance and manufacture, but pretty much the same rifle.
Human psychology can be funny sometimes. Someone can live his whole life without an AK for instance, then he hears that sanctions have cut off the AK supply and he suddenly needs to buy an AK now. This results in an increase in demand, which reduces supply, which increases demand. PROFIT! ...for gun dealers.
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