[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32820857[/url]
[quote]Breaking: Islamic State militants in Syria take control of ancient city of Palmyra, activists and witnesses say.[/quote]
I thought Syria was doing an okay job against them, must of been mistaken. It saddens and worries me that the middle eastern countries can't successfully combat ISIS with their trained armies.
The ride never ends
A lot of history and cool cultural/heritage sites are being destroyed. I don't like it..
Please note: Palmyra is one of the most influential ancient cities in the middle east next to Antioch and Jerusalem.
[QUOTE=Potus;47765635]I thought Syria was doing an okay job against them, must of been mistaken. It saddens and worries me that the middle eastern countries can't successfully combat ISIS with their trained armies.[/QUOTE]
Not all fronts go back and forth at the same time. For example, they lost Tikrit but currently gained Ramadi in Iraq.
Paving the way for their chain of luxury hotels perhaps
[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;47765746]Paving the way for their chain of luxury hotels perhaps[/QUOTE]
They haven't landed on boardwalk yet, though.
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Knowing incredible stuff like this from around the time of and even before the Romans is going to get destroyed for no good reason by a bunch of pathetic, disgusting thugs makes my blood boil
this makes me a bit worried, to be honest. if things keep going this way - Daesh capturing more and more of the middle eastern area - how long until they are able to establish themselves as a real country with quite a bit of influence and power? how long until my country decides to formally declare war on that country? right now i'm 28, if things did escalate to a huge war between the US and Daesh, to the point of reinstating conscription, i'm not worried about getting drafted, but it is a concern for me. i don't think the odds of all this happening are very big at all, but it's still something i think about whenever i hear that Daesh has captured yet another city.
[QUOTE=Quark:;47765803]this makes me a bit worried, to be honest. if things keep going this way - Daesh capturing more and more of the middle eastern area - how long until they are able to establish themselves as a real country with quite a bit of influence and power? how long until my country decides to formally declare war on that country? right now i'm 28, if things did escalate to a huge war between the US and Daesh, to the point of reinstating conscription, i'm not worried about getting drafted, but it is a concern for me. i don't think the odds of all this happening are very big at all, but it's still something i think about whenever i hear that Daesh has captured yet another city.[/QUOTE]
The US will never recognize it, nor will any other.
On top of that, the US is already at war with it. We haven't had a formal declaration of war since 1941.
And fearing conscription is a hilariously unneeded worry. Daesh is only as powerful as it attacks weaker targets, such as fragmented Syria and clashing Iraq. They have a long border between themselves and Turkey, yet they haven't invaded despite the fact that the country is clearly (like all others) contrary to their doctrine of belief. Why? Because they know they'll get their asses kicked.
[QUOTE=Quark:;47765803]this makes me a bit worried, to be honest. if things keep going this way - Daesh capturing more and more of the middle eastern area - how long until they are able to establish themselves as a real country with quite a bit of influence and power? how long until my country decides to formally declare war on that country? right now i'm 28, if things did escalate to a huge war between the US and Daesh, to the point of reinstating conscription, i'm not worried about getting drafted, but it is a concern for me. i don't think the odds of all this happening are very big at all, but it's still something i think about whenever i hear that Daesh has captured yet another city.[/QUOTE]
US didn't need conscription to invade and defeat Iraq, sorting out IS would be a relative cakewalk if they decided to deploy ground troops and go all-out
well it was one hell of a ride for that city, guess a little bit of humanity dies today and we're all a bit lesser for it.
anyone wanna go burn the Louvre while we're at it, maybe tear down some of frank loyd's houses, or nuke the pyramids?
[QUOTE=smurfy;47765867]US didn't need conscription to invade and defeat Iraq, sorting out IS would be a relative cakewalk if they decided to deploy ground troops and go all-out[/QUOTE]
The problem with that theory is that, even as well equipped as they are, ISIS forces wouldn't stand a chance in open warfare against the US and they know it. As soon as the US deploys a significant ground force ISIS will resort to insurgent tactics and we'll be right back where we were the past few years.
[QUOTE=Aspen;47765649]A lot of history and cool cultural/heritage sites are being destroyed. I don't like it..[/QUOTE]
I'm glad the brits stole most of it away when they did.
[QUOTE=smurfy;47765867]US didn't need conscription to invade and defeat Iraq, sorting out IS would be a relative cakewalk if they decided to deploy ground troops and go all-out[/QUOTE]
No.
Invasion would galvanize the region against US.
A lot of Quagmire's of wars began with such thinking.
For example the American Civil war was supposed to be easy and o er in a week.
[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;47766016]We should, once they would blow up the city, instantly nuke that place aswell, taking all those ISIS fucks with it, I mean, nothing would be able to get saved if ISIS blows it up, so why not use it as a counter attack?
Seriously, this has to stop. Seeing history getting destroyed by brainless fucks makes my blood boil so badly.[/QUOTE]
... for real?
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;47765921]The problem with that theory is that, even as well equipped as they are, ISIS forces wouldn't stand a chance in open warfare against the US and they know it. As soon as the US deploys a significant ground force ISIS will resort to insurgent tactics and we'll be right back where we were the past few years.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CrossTownNews;47766274]No.
Invasion would galvanize the region against US.
A lot of Quagmire's of wars began with such thinking.
For example the American Civil war was supposed to be easy and o er in a week.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know I was just saying we wouldn't need to bring back conscription
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Knowing incredible stuff like this from around the time of and even before the Romans is going to get destroyed for no good reason by a bunch of pathetic, disgusting thugs makes my blood boil[/QUOTE]
I don't know for sure of course but I don't think they will actually destroy those things you posted.
In their twisted minds they only care about "false idols" aka statues of humans, etc.
Pretty architecture they don't go out of their way to destroy it just for the sake of it.
But who knows, watch them prove me wrong.
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These two victories (Palmyra and Ramadi) are really what ISIS needed right about now. They aren't so much huge in military terms but the propaganda value is big.
Also while the historical stuff being taken is sad the bigger more pressing issue is they took over the entire modern city, the adjacent airbase, and the prison complex freeing 8000 prisoners.
[QUOTE=Aman;47767088]I don't know for sure of course but I don't think they will actually destroy those things you posted.
In their twisted minds they only care about "false idols" aka statues of humans, etc.
Pretty architecture they don't go out of their way to destroy it just for the sake of it.
But who knows, watch them prove me wrong.
[editline]20th May 2015[/editline]
These two victories (Palmyra and Ramadi) are really what ISIS needed right about now. They aren't so much huge in military terms but the propaganda value is big.
Also while the historical stuff being taken is sad the bigger more pressing issue is they took over the entire modern city, the adjacent airbase, and the prison complex freeing 8000 prisoners.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-224-isis-war-on-history-nazi-royals-mcdonalds-in-decline-and-more-1.2990417/10-historical-sites-destroyed-by-isis-and-why-they-matter-1.2990449[/url]
Just some of the destruction so far:
[quote]1. Khorsabad
2. Assyrian Lion Statues
3. The winged bulls at Nineveh
4. Mosque of The Prophet Younis (Jonah's Tomb)
5. Sufi Shrines
6. Nimrud
7. Mosul museum
8. Hatra
9. Mari
10. Tell Ajaja and Tell Brak[/quote]
Cities, temples, shrines and artifacts, some of it thousands of years old - the Winged Bulls being destroyed in particular made it into the news as they date back to the 7th century BC and are hugely culturally significant to that period.
As it stands, the only way to realistically defeat IS is to deal with their homefront. Namely by destroying their capability to produce food. For the moment, they have huge amounts of wheat coming from in and around their main holdings in Syria. The UN would make this situation tough thanks to foodtrucks, but if we were to cut those back severely and begin a campaign to set blaze to caches of food and the like, we may be able to bring Daesh's fighting ability to a bear minimum.
Armies march on their stomachs, ya know?
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;47767353]As it stands, the only way to realistically defeat IS is to deal with their homefront. Namely by destroying their capability to produce food. For the moment, they have huge amounts of wheat coming from in and around their main holdings in Syria. The UN would make this situation tough thanks to foodtrucks, but if we were to cut those back severely and begin a campaign to set blaze to caches of food and the like, we may be able to bring Daesh's fighting ability to a bear minimum.
Armies march on their stomachs, ya know?[/QUOTE]
IIRC, when the US did that in Vietnam all it achieved was mass famine among the civilian population.
Ancient aliens will not be pleased by this.
ISIS militants destroy ancient Iraqi Assyrian city of Nimrud I remember.
IF it's any consolation the Kurds,NDF, and SAA have made gains up in NE Syria.
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[QUOTE=Quark:;47765803]this makes me a bit worried, to be honest. if things keep going this way - Daesh capturing more and more of the middle eastern area - how long until they are able to establish themselves as a real country with quite a bit of influence and power? how long until my country decides to formally declare war on that country? right now i'm 28, if things did escalate to a huge war between the US and Daesh, to the point of reinstating conscription, i'm not worried about getting drafted, but it is a concern for me. i don't think the odds of all this happening are very big at all, but it's still something i think about whenever i hear that Daesh has captured yet another city.[/QUOTE]
Don't worry. Ain't much to worry about, not like you have a choice other than dodging the draft anyway. Best to not spend time worrying over things you couldn't control if you wanted to.
[editline]20th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Flapjacks;47767386]IIRC, when the US did that in Vietnam all it achieved was mass famine among the civilian population.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, something tells me that ISIS wouldn't think twice about razing entire villages for a few sacks of grain either.. It's a good idea in theory, but it only works when both sides actually uphold the rules of war that we keep setting up time and time again to be ignored time and time again.
[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;47767312][url]http://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-224-isis-war-on-history-nazi-royals-mcdonalds-in-decline-and-more-1.2990417/10-historical-sites-destroyed-by-isis-and-why-they-matter-1.2990449[/url]
Just some of the destruction so far:
Cities, temples, shrines and artifacts, some of it thousands of years old - the Winged Bulls being destroyed in particular made it into the news as they date back to the 7th century BC and are hugely culturally significant to that period.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention that a large part of the Islamic State's coffers are funded by black market selling of artifacts and such. They just captured a gold mine.
[editline]20th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=smurfy;47765867]US didn't need conscription to invade and defeat Iraq, sorting out IS would be a relative cakewalk if they decided to deploy ground troops and go all-out[/QUOTE]
Even if the US deployed forces, it won't be "a cakewalk". It'll be a several months long campaign, and probably a few years of occupation (again).
Yes, the US would wreck the Islamic State, but calling it a cakewalk is far from being optimistic about such an operation.
[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;47766016]We should, once they would blow up the city, instantly nuke that place aswell, taking all those ISIS fucks with it, I mean, nothing would be able to get saved if ISIS blows it up, so why not use it as a counter attack?
Seriously, this has to stop. Seeing history getting destroyed by brainless fucks makes my blood boil so badly.[/QUOTE]
haha you do know nukes are never a good idea?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47767925]Even if the US deployed forces, it won't be "a cakewalk". It'll be a several months long campaign, and probably a few years of occupation (again).
Yes, the US would wreck the Islamic State, but calling it a cakewalk is far from being optimistic about such an operation.[/QUOTE]
All I was saying was that it took the US three weeks to capture all of Iraq in 2003, so if they really decided to throw everything at IS there wouldn't be any need for a "huge war" with conscription and everything like that guy was saying
I REALLY want to visit an ancient city one day when all of this blows over. Hope there's anything left standing by the time I turn 30 in ten years.
[QUOTE=smurfy;47768231]All I was saying was that it took the US three weeks to capture all of Iraq in 2003, so if they really decided to throw everything at IS there wouldn't be any need for a "huge war" with conscription and everything like that guy was saying[/QUOTE]
The Iraq war was conventional, ISIS is not going to play by the rules, it's going to be a war fought as an asymmetric insurgency
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