• UN human rights watchdog calls on Saudi Arabia to stop torturing and executing minors
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[quote]A U.N. human rights watchdog has called on Saudi Arabia to end "severe" discrimination against girls and to repeal laws it said allowed children to be executed by stoning or punished with amputations and floggings. The Committee on the Rights of the Child on Friday issued the conclusions of its review of the kingdom's record of compliance with the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child. States which ratify the pact are reviewed every few years. Children over 15 years are tried as adults in Saudi Arabia and can be executed, "after trials falling short of guarantees of due process and fair trial", the report said. The UN convention defines children as under-18s. "The possibility of imposing the death penalty on children is still in place and that is a very serious concern," Jorge Cardona, a member of the committee, told a news briefing. "But also the possibility of sanctions and mistreatment, including torture, such as the possibility of being flogged or other punishments that are especially harsh." Committee chair Benyam Mezmur said it had received consistent reports that the death penalty was applied for offences committed by under-18s. "It's a very serious issue and there are only four or five countries in the world that we engage with this issue on and unfortunately Saudi Arabia is actually one of them," he said, naming the others as Iran, Pakistan, China and the Maldives. The 18 independent experts who make up the committee also condemned air strikes by the Saudi-led coalition in the war in Yemen, which it said had killed and maimed hundreds of children. There was no immediate reaction from the Saudi government to the conclusions issued on Friday despite multiple attempts by Reuters to reach officials. Many of the recommendations have been repeated since Riyadh ratified the convention 20 years ago, Cardona said.[/quote] [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-un-children-idUSKCN1270LX[/url] [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-stoning-un-children-united-nations-a7349861.html[/url]
Only minors? How about you grow some fucking balls and call them out on ALL the bullshit they pull? Why the fuck only call on them to stop torturing/executing minors when they should stop torture and execution ON EVERYBODY!?
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;51172338]Only minors? How about you grow some fucking balls and call them out on ALL the bullshit they pull? Why the fuck only call on them to stop torturing/executing minors when they should stop torture and execution ON EVERYBODY!?[/QUOTE] Sometimes it's better to try and take it in bits and pieces rather then try and tackle it all at once. Saudi Arabia isn't exactly a country you can just strong arm into what have you.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;51172388]Sometimes it's better to try and take it in bits and pieces rather then try and tackle it all at once. Saudi Arabia isn't exactly a country you can just strong arm into what have you.[/QUOTE] Saudi Arabia isn't a country that's willing to listen either. The people? Sure, but the government is filled with hypocritical old cunts with backwards conservative mindsets. The irony of this is that instead of cracking down on religious extremism when it first cropped up they opted to become more conservative snd cave into demands.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;51172338]Only minors? How about you grow some fucking balls and call them out on ALL the bullshit they pull? Why the fuck only call on them to stop torturing/executing minors when they should stop torture and execution ON EVERYBODY!?[/QUOTE] You have to incriminate using readily prosecutable crimes. Al Capone didn't get busted for running a bootlegging business; he got convicted for tax evasion. This relatively small crime ended his empire. Only need an inch to take a mile.
Isn't Saudi Arabia like the head of UN's Human Rights?
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51186102]Isn't Saudi Arabia like the head of UN's Human Rights?[/QUOTE] "why don't you talk to your boss, oh wait that's me!"
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51186102]Isn't Saudi Arabia like the head of UN's Human Rights?[/QUOTE] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council&oldid=743699852#Saudi_Arabia"]Wikipedia says[/URL] [quote]In September 2015, Faisal bin Hassan Trad, Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the UN in Geneva, has been elected Chair of the United Nations Human Rights Council panel that appoints independent experts.[121][122] UN Watch executive director Hillel Neuer said: "It is scandalous that the UN chose a country that has beheaded more people this year than ISIS to be head of a key human rights panel. Petro-dollars and politics have trumped human rights."[123] In January 2016, Saudi Arabia executed the prominent Shia cleric Sheikh Nimr who had called for free elections in Saudi Arabia.[124][/quote] which at the very least is very close to that. It's a complete farce (unless the ambassador in question somehow is a saint in comparison to his government, but I'm definitely not betting on that). This group here is probably independent of the United Nations Human Rights Council.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;51186440][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council&oldid=743699852#Saudi_Arabia"]Wikipedia says[/URL] which at the very least is very close to that. It's a complete farce (unless the ambassador in question somehow is a saint in comparison to his government, but I'm definitely not betting on that). This group here is probably independent of the United Nations Human Rights Council.[/QUOTE] Oh my God that's not how it works.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;51186440](unless the ambassador in question somehow is a saint in comparison to his government, but I'm definitely not betting on that)[/QUOTE] Saudi Ambassadors have a tendency to torture or rape women and then hide behind Diplomatic Immunity.
Minors are a priority. They're much more likely to run into problems with law/society by mistake or by teenage rebellion. Punishments will affect them much more severly, as they're growing and have their lives ahead of them, especially when such punishments involve amputation and execution.
[QUOTE=Talishmar;51186656]Minors are a priority. They're much more likely to run into problems with law/society by mistake or by teenage rebellion. Punishments will affect them much more severely, especially when such punishments involve execution.[/QUOTE] yes
[QUOTE=Talishmar;51186656]Minors are a priority. They're much more likely to run into problems with law/society by mistake or by teenage rebellion. Punishments will affect them much more severly, as they're growing and have their lives ahead of them, especially when such punishments involve amputation and execution.[/QUOTE] "Oh, you're listening to that devil rock music again? I guess it's time to [B][I][U]FUCKING DECAPITATE YOU IN FRONT OF YOUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU FUCKING HERETIC[/U][/I][/B]"
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[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51186456]Oh my God that's not how it works.[/QUOTE] I think I need some more explanation to interpret this post. What precisely were you reacting to?
talk about sensationalist Yes, saudi does execute 16 year olds for drug dealing and mass murder and etc etc, but the title makes it sound like they are torturing 5 year old kids for talking shit or something. at least we arent alone on this
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51186102]Isn't Saudi Arabia like the head of UN's Human Rights?[/QUOTE] no, that's a half truth that keeps being reiterated in every one of these threads. the "president" of the council on human rights is a South Korean dude.
[QUOTE=Maadz;51193478]talk about sensationalist Yes, saudi does execute 16 year olds for drug dealing and mass murder and etc etc, but the title makes it sound like they are torturing 5 year old kids for talking shit or something. at least we arent alone on this[/QUOTE] isn't it still rather dodgy to be executing 16 year olds for drug dealing?
[QUOTE=Maadz;51193478]talk about sensationalist Yes, saudi does execute 16 year olds for drug dealing and mass murder and etc etc, but the title makes it sound like they are torturing 5 year old kids for talking shit or something. at least we arent alone on this[/QUOTE] "Don't worry sir, you don't have pancreatic cancer, you only have lung cancer!"
[QUOTE=Maadz;51193478]talk about sensationalist Yes, saudi does execute 16 year olds for drug dealing and mass murder and etc etc, but the title makes it sound like they are torturing 5 year old kids for talking shit or something. at least we arent alone on this[/QUOTE] The west views amputation and flogging as cruel and unusual punishments, hence the term torture
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51186102]Isn't Saudi Arabia like the head of UN's Human Rights?[/QUOTE] the chair of the human rights comission is from the Saudi goverment
Really.. It's like trying to tell a heroine addict, hey, only shoot up half that bag please? for us? When half the bag is already 2 kilos heavy.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;51172338]Only minors? How about you grow some fucking balls and call them out on ALL the bullshit they pull? Why the fuck only call on them to stop torturing/executing minors when they should stop torture and execution ON EVERYBODY!?[/QUOTE] baby steps, sometimes you gotta start walking forward before you get whipped in the back till you collapse
What? Are they finally starting to run lower on oil-money?
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51193702]"Don't worry sir, you don't have pancreatic cancer, you only have lung cancer!"[/QUOTE] in a nutshell, and Perrine, I thought like waterboarding or some shit, thanks for explaining it. [editline]13th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;51193581]Yeah don't worry guys we beheaded him because he was smoking weed, we aren't barbarians![/QUOTE] dealing drugs not using it. i understand why they do it though; they are ruining peoples lifes by making them do drugs. im pretty sure it isnt weed though, pretty sure its for serious shit like heroin, [editline]13th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;51193624]isn't it still rather dodgy to be executing 16 year olds for drug dealing?[/QUOTE] I mean, in the western world, yep. Remember, we have a different culture. By 16 you basically become a adult here, (emphasis on basically)
[QUOTE=Maadz;51197458]in a nutshell, and Perrine, I thought like waterboarding or some shit, thanks for explaining it. [editline]13th October 2016[/editline] dealing drugs not using it. i understand why they do it though; they are ruining peoples lifes by making them do drugs. im pretty sure it isnt weed though, pretty sure its for serious shit like heroin, [editline]13th October 2016[/editline] I mean, in the western world, yep. Remember, we have a different culture. By 16 you basically become a adult here, (emphasis on basically)[/QUOTE] Then their culture is shit and "Culture" is not a defense nor a shield when it's authorized to beat and kill woman/child/man or torture in any ways or form. But people don't understand that.
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51198211]Then their culture is shit and "Culture" is not a defense nor a shield when it's authorized to beat and kill woman/child/man or torture in any ways or form. But people don't understand that.[/QUOTE] no, you seriously dont understand if your over 15 you are OFFICALLY A ADULT in court in saudi. your word will be taken like a adult, and you can be trailed as a adult. Is it bad since saudi is in the UN and therefor should follow UN rules? probably also, I know any points I make will do absolutely nothing to persuade you seeing your last posts about this topic in threads, but think of it like this; In Saudi Arabia, people couldnt give less of a shit about lashs. In the western world, people are alarmed by this. Is this bad? Yes. Is torture still being used today in the rest of the world, including the US (cough cough waterboarding) Yes. Is it a violation of human rights? Yes. tl;dr nobody really cares about it here is what im trying to say, is it wrong because saudis in the UN? yep. is lashing wrong? idc. saudis definition of minor is different then the rest of the world
[QUOTE=Maadz;51198632]no, you seriously dont understand if your over 15 you are OFFICALLY A ADULT in court in saudi. your word will be taken like a adult, and you can be trailed as a adult. Is it bad since saudi is in the UN and therefor should follow UN rules? probably also, I know any points I make will do absolutely nothing to persuade you seeing your last posts about this topic in threads, but think of it like this; In Saudi Arabia, people couldnt give less of a shit about lashs. In the western world, people are alarmed by this. Is this bad? Yes. Is torture still being used today in the rest of the world, including the US (cough cough waterboarding) Yes. Is it a violation of human rights? Yes. tl;dr nobody really cares about it here is what im trying to say, is it wrong because saudis in the UN? yep. is lashing wrong? idc. saudis definition of minor is different then the rest of the world[/QUOTE] In the same way I'm disgusted my country has engaged in waterboarding and other poor treatment of prisoners and citizens alike, you probably should be disgusted your country is engaging in these activities. Your country has taken commendable efforts to rehabilitate ex-terrorists and turn them into productive citizens. Why should you take punitive, physically harmful actions against people that engage in non-violent offences when you attempt to rehabilitate those that are engaged or planned to engage in violent activity?
[QUOTE=1legmidget;51198763]In the same way I'm disgusted my country has engaged in waterboarding and other poor treatment of prisoners and citizens alike, you probably should be disgusted your country is engaging in these activities. Your country has taken commendable efforts to rehabilitate ex-terrorists and turn them into productive citizens. Why should you take punitive, physically harmful actions against people that engage in non-violent offences when you attempt to rehabilitate those that are engaged or planned to engage in violent activity?[/QUOTE] because the justice system is extremely weird here. on the bright side; saudi prisons arent that bad.
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