• Immigrants should "benefit the UK" and earn a minimum of £31,000
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[B]People coming to live in the UK from outside the EU must "add to the quality of life in Britain", immigration minister Damian Green has said.[/B] [B]He argued Britain does not need more "middle managers" or unskilled Labour and those who settle could have to command a salary of more than £31,000.[/B] Any [B]British citizen who wants to bring in a non-EU spouse should also meet a minimum salary level[/B], he added. Labour said ministers had set out "no workable proposals" to cut immigration. The government has [B]pledged to cut net migration from 242,000 - the figure for the year ending September 2010 - to the "tens of thousands"[/B] last seen in the 1990s. As part of that the number of people from outside the EU coming to the UK to work will be capped. In his speech to the Policy Exchange in London, [B]Mr Green referred to a report by the government's Migration Advisory Committee (Mac) which found there were up to 23 fewer jobs for British workers for every additional 100 working migrants coming from outside the EU.[/B] He said it disproved the "old assumption" that "as immigration adds to GDP it is economically a good thing, and that therefore logically the more immigration the better, whatever the social consequences". "That was the view of the previous government in its early years, and [B]it is still the view of Tony Blair and some of his former advisers,[/B]" he said. [B]"It is not my view, or the view of the vast majority of the British people.[/B] "The key insight of the Mac's work is that the measure of a successful immigration policy is how it increases the wealth of the resident population." Mr Green said he wanted to build a "national consensus" around immigration, adding: "[B]Importing economic dependency on the state is unacceptable[/B]. [B] "Bringing people to this country who can play no role in the life of this country is equally unacceptable."[/B] He said he wanted anyone moving to the UK to join a British spouse "[B]to be able to integrate and be independent[/B]", which was why a[B] requirement to speak English was being introduced.[/B] But he said he was also proposing to set a minimum income level for any sponsor seeking to bring in a foreign spouse - and said the recommended level from Mac was between £18,600 and £25,700. The Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants said that would be "[B]hammer blow to the human rights of cross border partners and their families[/B]". Chief executive Habib Rahman said: "[B]They've already been hit with an age minimum (although we defeated that), language requirements and ever increasing visa fees. Now they face what is likely to be an unreasonably high income threshold.[/B] "One might argue that [B]this government has it in for poor people [/B]who fall in love with anyone who's not resident in the UK." Ahead of his speech, Mr Green told BBC Radio Kent he wanted "to be much more intelligently selective about who we let come here", and that [B] anyone individual seeking permanent settlement should be able to command a salary of between £31,000 and £49,000.[/B] [B] "We need to know that you're not going to be living off benefits from day one of arriving here.[/B] But on the subject of professions suffering from shortages, such as nursing, Mr Green said there was "[B]no reason why Britain should have a permanent shortage of nurses[/B]" and [B]any use of foreign workers should be temporary[/B]. [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16850563[/URL]
£31,000 is a huge amount of money and iirc most teachers barely earn that. I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
That's ~$50,000 USD yearly salary. That's kind of a lot, especially for immigrants.
not sure how i'd feel about immigrants getting paid double me for probably the same kind of work. Sure it's nice to get a multicultural society going but this is kinda taking a shit on people who have lived in this country their entire lives :/ [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Didn't read" - Starpluck))[/highlight]
No, they are saying they must earn a minimum of £31,000 to migrate here... I think?
[QUOTE=Gareth;34511340][B]not sure how i'd feel about immigrants getting paid double me for probably the same kind of work.[/B] Sure it's nice to get a multicultural society going but this is kinda taking a shit on people who have lived in this country their entire lives :/[/QUOTE] They do?
[QUOTE=Swebonny;34511380]They do?[/QUOTE] I think he has misunderstood, thinking it would be some sort of minimum. IMO 31k is a lot of money.
through the same logic bank ceos make a huge positive impact on the UK and whats that about it 'not being his view but the majority's'? fucking pathetic politics again. can we get some people in the government now that actually give a shit about what people want, not all this stupid buzzword stuff where random mps throw around terms like "economy" and "immigration" in a vain attempt to claw every view they can find
The article is saying that according to Tony Blair, the more immigrants the better because they pay taxes, whereas the current minister is saying 1 immigrant earning £30k is better than 3 immigrants earning £10k, so that should be the minimum income in order to live here
Isn't a salary of £31,000 way above the median income of British citizens (like isn't it in the 20,000 pound range)? Seems kind of unfair, especially for those highly-educated immigrants who come in and can't/aren't allowed to get high paid jobs straight off the bat. [editline]2nd February 2012[/editline] I understand where he's coming from with the "you have to benefit the UK in some way to be allowed in", most countries have similar immigration policies, but the price of entry seems absurdly high.
They would have to start on one of these careers: [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/261gt93.png[/IMG]
Too bad britain sucks and I don't know why anybody would want to migrate there
I'm on 12,500 a year, fuck you British Government.
[QUOTE=matt.ant;34511506]They would have to start on one of these careers: [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/261gt93.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Huh, line repairers make more than chemists. And I feel like its sort of hard to start as a senior administrator in education on the first day of a job.
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;34511561]Too back britain sucks and I don't know why anybody would want to migrate there[/QUOTE] Estonian.
Estonistan best country
Why not just let the immigrants take up the jobs that need doing?
The precise number seems quite absurd for the time being but I believe the thinking behind it is really smart - it's in no way in Britain's business to let immigrants in if their welfare costs are higher than the taxes they return - if you can't live prosperously, benefits of prosperity are not for you. Welfare is economic suicide and I'm really glad that first ideas of limiting it are coming through. [editline]2nd February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;34511727]Why not just let the immigrants take up the jobs that need doing?[/QUOTE] Because the jobs that "need doing" (what does that mean anyway) require certain skills which immigrants usually don't possess. The goal of the idea is to have immigrants that come with knowledge, ready to use [b]opportunities[/b] of a developed country and not its free benefits.
[QUOTE=Gareth;34511340]not sure how i'd feel about immigrants getting paid double me for probably the same kind of work. Sure it's nice to get a multicultural society going but this is kinda taking a shit on people who have lived in this country their entire lives :/[/QUOTE] You mis-understood the article, they're saying that to live here in the UK, immigrants should be earning [B]at least £31,000/year[/B] from their current Job, or else they might get kicked out. They're not saying each immigrant would be payed £31,000 a year just because they have a job.
I don't know what the jobs that need doing in the UK are, but in the US, a lot of them are low paid, labor-intensive, and somewhat high risk, that most citizens don't want to do (ex. many agricultural sector jobs).
[QUOTE=markfu;34511849]I don't know what the jobs that need doing in the UK are, but in the US, a lot of them are low paid, labor-intensive, and somewhat high risk, that most people living in it don't want to do.[/QUOTE] The jobs that need doing in the UK can be like what you're describing, but sometimes they are well-paid jobs, just no-one wants to do them because they involve getting dirty, or no Brit is interested in the area the job is in.
[QUOTE=Source;34511600]I'm on 12,500 a year, fuck you British Government.[/QUOTE] Not the government's fault you've got such a bad job, how about you quit working at McDonalds, get some qualifications and then get a real job? [editline]lol[/editline] half the people that rated me dumb, aren't even UK citizens.
[QUOTE=@@;34511924]Not the government's fault you've got such a bad job, how about you quit working at McDonalds, get some qualifications and then get a real job?[/QUOTE] oh no NOOOOOOOOOOO
It's a good idea, but the price is a little too high. Jobs are difficult enough to get without being an immigrant.
Its nice saying that people should earn a a minimum of 31k but how are you going to make that the national average, right now its 18-21k
BRB, telling my family in China to move to the UK
I had more than one polish friends that went to the UK for work and are earning quite nicely already. But I always believe the amount of money you earn is relative to your work and should not be set on such a high minimum default.
It's sad that an increasing number of countries are tightening their borders, especially Britain, seeing as we're supposed to be one of the biggest examples of multiculturalism. I say we send EDL and BNP members to Jupiter, and let motivated, well-intending immigrants to take their place in Britain.
[QUOTE=Santz;34512196]I had more than one polish friends that went to the UK for work and are earning quite nicely already. But I always believe the amount of money you earn is relative to your work and should not be set on such a high minimum default.[/QUOTE] immigrants aren't going to be paid a minimum of 31k for any job they do, the job they're working or applying for has to pay them (or anyone else) 31k or over for them to be allowed to be here. there's a difference.
In essence, you are required to travel 10 years in the future and have a college degree + years of job experience in Britain, then travel 10 years back in time and immigrate to Britain. Logic.
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