200 UC Berkley Scientists and Students Gathered to Save NASA Climate Change Data Before It's Deleted - Polidicks

[url]https://www.wired.com/2017/02/diehard-coders-just-saved-nasas-earth-science-data/[/url] [QUOTE]ON SATURDAY MORNING, the white stone buildings on UC Berkeley’s campus radiated with unfiltered sunshine. The sky was blue, the campanile was chiming. But instead of enjoying the beautiful day, 200 adults had willingly sardined themselves into a fluorescent-lit room in the bowels of Doe Library to rescue federal climate data. Like similar groups across the country—in more than 20 cities—they believe that the Trump administration might want to disappear this data down a memory hole. So these hackers, scientists, and students are collecting it to save outside government servers. But now they’re going even further. Groups like DataRefugeand the Environmental Data and Governance Initiative, which organized the Berkeley hackathon to collect data from NASA’s earth sciences programs and the Department of Energy, are doing more than archiving. Diehard coders are building robust systems to monitor ongoing changes to government websites. And they’re keeping track of what’s already been removed—because yes, the pruning has already begun.[/QUOTE]

Has information already been removed? When, and more importantly, why? EDIT: It's a great idea though. Helps to be prepared. I hope the system is kept up and running for all future administrations too.

[I]If the facts don't fit the story; change the facts.[/I] I can't believe it's come to this.

It's a shame that climate change deniers will die before they see the consequences of their actions. I wish I believed in a Hell so I could have peace of mind knowing they'd get their comeuppance soon enough. In the face of all this evidence there is no excuse to claim it isn't real - either you are willingly ignorant or down-right evil. People who vote for climate change deniers are just as bad, by the way. It is the single most important issue faced by humanity, and to place minor threats like ISIS or "the regressive left" above it is fucking delusional. Future generations will curse you as much as your leaders and guess what, you fucking deserve it.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51822284]Has information already been removed? When, and more importantly, why? EDIT: It's a great idea though. Helps to be prepared. I hope the system is kept up and running for all future administrations too.[/QUOTE] It hasn't, but they fear that the Trump admin will do what I beliiieve a Canadian administration did recently and destroy the data because it's inconvenient.

The US is going to crash, [I]hard[/I], if this continues. Fuck this clusterfuck of an administration.

Climate deniers are assholes but the ones who are willing to go so far with it as to actually manipulate and destroy data regarding climate change... Honestly its somewhere up there with the nazis on the scale of pure evil.

The Library of Alexandria will not be burned by barbarians again. [QUOTE=froztshock;51822380]It hasn't, but they fear that the Trump admin will do what I beliiieve a Canadian administration did recently and destroy the data because it's inconvenient.[/QUOTE] Go ahead and upgrade that unsteady fact to [URL="https://insideclimatenews.org/news/20121114/climate-change-scientists-global-warming-stephen-harper-canada-skeptics-oil-sands-budget-cuts-muzzling-protests"]con[/URL]-[URL="http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/vanishing-canada-why-were-all-losers-in-ottawas-war-on-data/"]fir[/URL]-[URL="http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-scientists-were-followed-threatened-and-censored-by-harper-staff-they-warn-that-president-trump-could-do-the-same"]med[/URL].

[QUOTE=Bradyns;51822287][I]If the facts don't fit the story; change the facts.[/I] I can't believe it's come to this.[/QUOTE] I'd hate to say it, but: We've always been at war with Eastasia.

Just denying the effects of man-made climate change is stupid, but going out of your way to try and destroy all scientific data which proves otherwise is just demonic. It should honestly be counted as a crime against humanity as this is screwing all of us over down the line. I wonder how this will go down in the history books in 200 years, and how society will be shaped by these actions.

...noone's tried to destroy data though? This is just insurance in case someone does.

[QUOTE=eldomtom2;51825459]...noone's tried to destroy data though? This is just insurance in case someone does.[/QUOTE] Did you even read the snippet of the article?

[QUOTE=Mrfantasticool;51823063] I wonder how this will go down in the history books in 200 years, and how society will be shaped by these actions.[/QUOTE] Assuming society [i]still exists[/i] in 200 years and humanity isn't dying off by then.

Do backups not exist or has huge companies become incompetent?

[QUOTE=redBadger;51826502]Do backups not exist or has huge companies become incompetent?[/QUOTE] I don't think you quite understand the thrust of the article. The fear is that even if there are backups, the people in charge of that information and those backups will be ordered to delete them.

[QUOTE=CanUBe;51822377]It's a shame that climate change deniers will die before they see the consequences of their actions. I wish I believed in a Hell so I could have peace of mind knowing they'd get their comeuppance soon enough. In the face of all this evidence there is no excuse to claim it isn't real - [B]either you are willingly ignorant or down-right evil.[/B][/QUOTE] This mentality doesn't help, it's important to educate people on climate change, there's a lot of people who simply don't know why it's real and just how much we [I]know[/I] it's real. Sure you can't convince everyone, but you'll certainly do better by not calling people evil. [editline]15th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=froztshock;51826628]I don't think you quite understand the thrust of the article. The fear is that even if there are backups, the people in charge of that information and those backups will be ordered to delete them.[/QUOTE] Yeah I don't think they're hurting anyone by taking extra precaution.

this is soo fucked.

holy shit my worst nightmare

[QUOTE=froztshock;51826628]I don't think you quite understand the thrust of the article. The fear is that even if there are backups, the people in charge of that information and those backups will be ordered to delete them.[/QUOTE] In Canada, climate records for over a hundred years of world-class climate data (including the history of Canada's water) were liquidated (and what wasn't saved by scientists/citizens went straight to the landfill by the truckload) by simply defunding the budget for the records' storage. No need to order them overtly destroyed, just make the cases and cases of paper records homeless. If you do it quietly enough, nobody notices until it's too late. If you muzzle government scientists from speaking to the media without [I]written[/I] approval from the feds, [URL="http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/canadian-scientists-open-about-how-their-government-silenced-science-180961942/"][I]which Canada did[/I] for a wide variety of topics and not just climate science,[/URL] you can partially succeed. [media]https://twitter.com/AP/status/824374557893083146[/media] ...oh. Learn from Canada: This is a line that must be drawn in the sand.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51827549]In Canada, climate records for over a hundred years of world-class climate data (including the history of Canada's water) were liquidated (and what wasn't saved by scientists/citizens went straight to the landfill by the truckload) by simply defunding the budget for the records' storage. No need to order them overtly destroyed, just make the cases and cases of paper records homeless. If you do it quietly enough, nobody notices until it's too late. If you muzzle government scientists from speaking to the media without [I]written[/I] approval from the feds, [URL="http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/canadian-scientists-open-about-how-their-government-silenced-science-180961942/"][I]which Canada did[/I] for a wide variety of topics and not just climate science,[/URL] you can partially succeed. [media]https://twitter.com/AP/status/824374557893083146[/media] ...oh. Learn from Canada: This is a line that must be drawn in the sand.[/QUOTE] Hah, yeah I heard. Not surprised in the slightest. It's such a shame that conservatives being blatantly anti-science is something that I just have to presume at this point, it really shouldn't be this way. [editline]15th February 2017[/editline] Like, can we have a deal, conservatives? I'll deal with the crazies on my side, but you assholes [I]need[/I] to start cleaning up your side of the fence too. It's been bad. Like, really, [I]really[/I] bad, and it's been bad on your side of the political fence for WAY longer than it's been bad on ours. We're talking approaching two fucking decades of shitspew here. The Triggering started a few years ago and seems to actually be dying down, but your craziness is fucking RAMPANT, and it's only getting worse. You live in communities full of creationists, people who think global warming is fake, shit like that? Fine, I'm sure they're decent people in their day to day lives, but guess what: Their shit needs to be fixed, and I can't be the one to do it. I can't convince people who don't actually know me, and I'm surrounded by people who seem to have what my definition of what a 'reasonable' political opinion is.

Deleting or hiding scientific studies, regardless whether it is a good study or not, should be illegal.