HDCP 2.2 to protect 4k videos, doesnt work with any current 4k hardware
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[QUOTE]While that’s bad news for bad guys, it’s a potential headache for the rest of us, too. HDCP 2.2 is not backward compatible with the previous versions of HDCP that are currently used by most of the HD devices in all our homes. Thanks to its ignominious track record of exploitations, the protocol required a clean refresh, and since it's implemented at the hardware level, manufacturers can't simply release new firmware to bring old gear up to speed.
In order to watch copy-protected Ultra HD content--be it on a disc, a download, or via an over-the-top stream—you’ll need HDCP 2.2 compatible devices at every link in the signal chain. Because this isn’t just about media players and TVs; it applies to any component with an HDMI connection. Having a non-HDCP 2.2 sound bar or AV receiver in your home theater system will be enough to terminate the handshake and your afternoon plans for watching The Godfather in glorious 4K resolution.[/QUOTE]
Do they ever learn?
So pretty much all current 4k devices will not be able to use future 4k content
[url]http://www.techhive.com/article/2881620/4k-content-protection-will-frustrate-consumers-more-than-pirates-meet-hdcp-22.html[/url]
Somehow, the pirates still win this HDCP fight.
[QUOTE=tratzzz;47115153]Somehow, the pirates still win this HDCP fight.[/QUOTE]
You cant stop pirates or hackers in general.
The companies release new standards
Pirates crack it
Companies update their standards
Cracked again
Its an endless game of cat and mouse, the only loser is the customer
If you have to go purely hardware-based only, then chances are good that you're fighting a futile fight.
How are we gona fight pirates? Lets use a system that current hardware doesn't support. Genius.
So if somebody bought a 4K to "future proof" themselves, it is already obsolete once all future 4K media moves to HDCP 2.2? :v:
It's not about piracy, it's about forcing people to buy new merchandise. They'll try to scare people who don't know better into buying a new tv, new media player, new videocards, new audio equipment, new everything. They don't want people to feel like "Meh, I'm happy with what I have now".
What do you think they'd rather have, a customer who buys a 4k tv or monitor and that's all, or a customer who buys a new tv, a new receiver, new discs, and maybe a new videocard for the HTPC?
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;47115173]So if somebody bought a 4K to "future proof" themselves, it is already obsolete once all future 4K media moves to HDCP 2.2? :v:[/QUOTE]
i have a gut feeling a huge portion of those people future proofing won't be watching HDCP protected media very often
So I can either pay $1000+ to watch 4k or I could just stick with 1080p and not pay $1000+ to watch whatever I want. I'll stick with 1080p
[QUOTE=Megaman1811;47115279]So I can either pay $1000+ to watch 4k or I could just stick with 1080p and not pay $1000+ to watch whatever I want. I'll stick with 1080p[/QUOTE]
1000$+ to watch new protected 4k content or if you already have current 4k hardware - well, you can't watch new protected 4k content but old and not copy protected (aka pirated) stuff is watchable.
I am amazed. every single 4K TV on the market is now not compatible with 4K Content. What genius came up with this idea?
HDCP is and always has been a joke since it was created.
I remember trying to watch some Blu-rays that I owned on my older monitor and it wouldn't let me cause it wasn't HDCP, so I just got a program to strip it out. And that's what I get for being a good boy and not pirating things.
[QUOTE=Dracon;47115438]I am amazed. every single 4K TV on the market is now not compatible with 4K Content. What genius came up with this idea?[/QUOTE]
One with the eye for money. They don't give a shit if it stops piracy, they can just use it as an excuse.
I'd be surprised if it took more than the weeks to bypass. Yet you know a sizable number of users will be forced to buy thousands in new equipment.
[QUOTE=bord2tears;47116340]One with the eye for money. They don't give a shit if it stops piracy, they can just use it as an excuse.
I'd be surprised if it took more than the weeks to bypass. Yet you know a sizable number of users will be forced to buy thousands in new equipment.[/QUOTE]If everyone was tech savy this would not fly as people could just strip the drm. They're essentially scamming people who know very little about this stuff.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47116354]If everyone was tech savy this would not fly as people could just strip the drm. They're essentially scamming people who know very little about this stuff.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, but since it's to "stop piracy" and "millions in r&d" they can shaft the uniformed without consumer protection stepping in.
This shit needs to stop. HDCP is already an abomination, this will just give people even more reason to crack the shit out of it every time it receives an update.
[QUOTE=Saxon;47115460]HDCP is and always has been a joke since it was created.
I remember trying to watch some Blu-rays that I owned on my older monitor and it wouldn't let me cause it wasn't HDCP, so I just got a program to strip it out. And that's what I get for being a good boy and not pirating things.[/QUOTE]
It's one thing when piracy's appeal is rooted in being free, but the industry has something to answer for when the pirates are offering a genuinely better product.
oh look, even less reason to use discs or tv-program-based-TV anymore
[editline]11th February 2015[/editline]
nailing their own coffins
they will die like the newspaper
I'm betting with the rapid proliferation of hobbiests microcomputers like pi and arduno, it'll be a cinch to break any hardware level DRM rapidly and cheaply, why do they still think they need to put DRM on a format that doesn't even play on most hardware is beyond me, its like blurays but worse, nobody has a bluray drive on a computer anymore and not many laptops even had them by default yet they still bundled enormous amounts of DRM to them to stop would be users
[editline]11th February 2015[/editline]
DRM in general is overused when we have coffee pots with it now and those are completely bypassed too
I have the solution; Displayport. With all the DRM garbage it's a wonder people use HDMI.
Display port is open source and cheaper to implement than HDMI.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;47118390]I have the solution; Displayport. With all the DRM garbage it's a wonder people use HDMI.
Display port is open source and cheaper to implement than HDMI.[/QUOTE]
If you read the article you'd know that displayport supports this as well. HDMI is just used primarily for TV so I guess that's why it's associated with it.
[QUOTE=bitches;47118182]oh look, even less reason to use discs or tv-program-based-TV anymore
[editline]11th February 2015[/editline]
nailing their own coffins
[B]they will die like the newspaper[/B][/QUOTE]
this is actually a good thing, let them keep digging deeper.
Why even do this... They will not stop pirating and people with old devices who cannot afford a new one will have to resort to pirating their movies even if they bought it through legal means.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47118863]If you read the article you'd know that displayport supports this as well. HDMI is just used primarily for TV so I guess that's why it's associated with it.[/QUOTE]Well, fuck then. We'll have to get everything modded with 12G SDI. This shit shouldn't touch displayport.
I just use an HDCP stripper.
China cranks them out and it lets me use whatever the fuck display I want.
Wait. So the samsung 4k tv I just bought 2 months ago can't run 4k blu rays?
Now watch as everyone just pirates 4K movies on their 4K compatible PC so they won't have to buy new software.
HDCP is such bullshit. It's so easy to get around too. I have a PS3 and in order to stream games on it all I have to do is run convert the HDMI to DVI, and then use a converter to convert the DVI along with optical audio back to HDMI. That whole thing cost me maybe $30. That's a $30 hoop I have to jump through as a legitimate consumer, what kind of pirate is going to get stopped by that?
I take this as a sign that Hollywood still does not want my money.
I wonder what they'll do when 2.2 gets cracked in under 3 months, and all that hardware replacement is pointless. It's what's happened before (BD+ took a while to break), stands to reason it'll happen again.
Thanks a lot Intel. I know they're probably under great pressure to do this stupid shit, but thanks.
[QUOTE=insane taco;47120764]Wait. So the samsung 4k tv I just bought 2 months ago can't run 4k blu rays?[/QUOTE]
Well after some research my tv is supposedly compatible with hdcp 2.2...
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