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[QUOTE]In his first major initiative since leaving office, former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg announced plans on Wednesday to launch a new gun control organization that he hopes can rival the National Rifle Association.
The grassroots umbrella group, called Everytown, is "a movement of Americans working together to end gun violence and build safer communities."[/quote]
[quote]"People will vote for whatever they think is in their own self-interest to get elected and re-elected," Bloomberg said on NBC's "Today" show. "We've got to convince them that 80 percent of gun owners, 90 percent of americans who are favor of simple background checks to make sure criminals, minors and people with psychiatric problems can't buy guns. Common sense. We've got to make them understand that that's what the public wants."[/quote]
well what do the people think, you might ask
well lets take a look
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[url]http://news.yahoo.com/bloomberg-vs-nra-everytown-gun-control-134428680.html[/url]
Guns were designed to kill people. It only seems logical to have some type of organization that will lobby against or for them. It's like any other 'pressing' national issue.
You could says that because of the lack of informed rep's and misinformed rep's could be the result of the last failed effort to pass some sort of reform. Even though it was a very weak and watered down reform bill.
I'll never understand America's or this forum obsession with guns tbh and I just thank my luck that I was born in a country where this shit is not tolerated
Not trying to start a shit riot but honestly I don't get it, I don't understand the need or desire to have or own a deadly weapon that does more harm than good
[editline]16th April 2014[/editline]
Props to this guy and his group, it's a good step
Americans take the second amendment way too seriously. And I think pretty much everyone outside of the US will say that US gun culture is just absurd. Because it is.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;44561805]Americans take the second amendment way too seriously. And I think pretty much everyone outside of the US will say that US gun culture is just absurd. Because it is.[/QUOTE]
Because in 'Merica,
guns = freedom.
I'm awaiting for the gun nuts to come in here and raid this thread. Because you know their are plenty of american fp gun owners.
[sp]But that won't probally happen cause most of them are sane users.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Antdawg;44561805]Americans take the second amendment way too seriously. And I think pretty much everyone outside of the US will say that US gun culture is just absurd. Because it is.[/QUOTE]
This, let me just say everyone in Australia laughs at how pathetic the US is with defending gun rights, the media laughs at it, public speakers laugh at it, the government even laughs at it
Because many Americans feel the need that they have the right to protect themselves. Which they do.
They fear a tyrannical government many uprise and it'll be up to the people to stop it. Its basically one of the bases of our government today. Thats why we have the obsession.
BTW this isnt my personal view
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;44561802]I'll never understand America's or this forum obsession with guns tbh and I just thank my luck that I was born in a country where this shit is not tolerated
Not trying to start a shit riot but honestly I don't get it, I don't understand the need or desire to have or own a deadly weapon that does more harm than good
[editline]16th April 2014[/editline]
Props to this guy and his group, it's a good step[/QUOTE]
Oh don't worry the shit storm started the moment the OP submitted the thread.
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;44561856]Because many Americans feel the need that they have the right to protect themselves. Which they do.
They fear a tyrannical government many uprise and it'll be up to the people to stop it. Its basically one of the bases of our government today. Thats why we have the obsession.[/QUOTE]
Actually that was one of two reasons why it was kept, the other was the fear of the British re-invading America because the King at the time was furious he lost a good amount of land so the threat of another wave of Royal soldiers seemed too much
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;44561872]Actually that was one of two reasons why it was kept, the other was the fear of the British re-invading America because the King at the time was furious he lost a good amount of land so the threat of another wave of Royal soldiers seemed too much[/QUOTE]
I agree with that. But honestly, banning weapons won't do shite except incite riots and protest. With the amount of ammunition and weapons the populace has at its disposal, it is best kept alone.
Bloomberg likes to portray himself as a "reasonable" guy, but his true motives are not what they appear. Mayors were/are leaving "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" because the group wasn't doing anything to help get illegal guns off of the streets, but doing more to make already legal guns illegal. Everyone knows that he's anti-gun and this does not surprise me.
Something tells me that this will not become as big as the NRA.
[QUOTE=Aide;44561750]Guns were designed to kill people. It only seems logical to have some type of organization that will lobby against or for them. It's like any other 'pressing' national issue.
You could says that because of the lack of informed rep's and misinformed rep's could be the result of the last failed effort to pass some sort of reform. Even though it was a very weak and watered down reform bill.[/QUOTE]
Guns were not designed to kill people. They were designed to launch a projectile. Even if you said their primary use is to kill people, you would still be wrong, as more shots are fired at targets every year than people.
also, the knee-jerk legislation would have done nothing to help gun violence. It was feel-good "but we have to do SOMETHIG!" legislation and nothign more.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;44561802]I'll never understand America's or this forum obsession with guns tbh and I just thank my luck that I was born in a country where this shit is not tolerated
Not trying to start a shit riot but honestly I don't get it, I don't understand the need or desire to have or own a deadly weapon that does more harm than good
[editline]16th April 2014[/editline]
Props to this guy and his group, it's a good step[/QUOTE]
There are so many deadly weapons around and about [I]anyway[/I] that banning guns would just mean only outlaws and the police would have them
It would work in most other settings where gun owners are registered and few in number but not in one that has nearly 1 gun per person
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;44561856]Because many Americans feel the need that they have the right to protect themselves. Which they do.
They fear a tyrannical government many uprise and it'll be up to the people to stop it. Its basically one of the bases of our government today. Thats why we have the obsession.[/QUOTE]
As someone who is looking at this from the outside that's some real big paranoia your country has there.
[QUOTE=Genericenemy;44561921]As someone who is looking at this from the outside that's some real big paranoia your country has there.[/QUOTE]
It was a paranoia in the 1790s. Now it is just for muh protection
I thought about getting a gun to exercise my rights, but I decided to get a nice camera with the money instead. I find shooting photos more relaxing and rewarding then shooting bullets.
I thought, with all the snooping and other shit the US government has been up too, that those guns would have been put to use already.
But then I remembered that humans should have progressed beyond mowing people down with projectiles. So it seems to me that the guns for protection are pointless, and their government should be sorted out first, no?
It would probably be better for the sake of everyone if guns didn't exist, but they do, they can't really be removed without endangering the populace, and few deaths have been prevented because legal gun-owning citizens were forbidden to have a shoulder thing that goes up.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;44561805]Americans take the second amendment way too seriously. And I think pretty much everyone outside of the US will say that US gun culture is just absurd. Because it is.[/QUOTE]
personally i think its more amusing the fact that generally the same groups of people who defend the 2nd amendment tend to have "some issues" with the 14th, the GOP in particular. :v:
[url]http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/it-constitutional-the-civil-rights-act[/url]
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;44561802]I'll never understand America's or this forum obsession with guns tbh and I just thank my luck that I was born in a country where this shit is not tolerated
Not trying to start a shit riot but honestly I don't get it, I don't understand the need or desire to have or own a deadly weapon that does more harm than good
[editline]16th April 2014[/editline]
Props to this guy and his group, it's a good step[/QUOTE]
I don't recall my AR-15 going out own its own and having a shooting spree. Oh yeah that is right because guns are objects/tools that get manipulated by a person. So instead of vilifying the object/gun in this case we need to vilify the people who do horrible things. It's like blaming cars for drunk drivers.
If you go look at the Bureau of Justice Statistics you will find that gun violence is actually on the decline. While it is still a issue it isn't like gun violence is rising, the media is doing a good job making people think that though.
While it is important to pass smart legislation that prevents criminals, ill minded people and other disqualified people from obtaining and maintain firearms - Ie Background checks, etc. Other issues need to be addressed because it will not fix anything. Need to look in to health care, mental health care, etc.
Reason people get upset and want to argue the point is not because they're "obsessed with firearms" its because idiots keep spouting dumbshit and things that are not facts.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;44561805]Americans take the second amendment way too seriously. And I think pretty much everyone outside of the US will say that US gun culture is just absurd. Because it is.[/QUOTE]
As a duel citizen - I live in America but I'm from Scotland i don't think this is true. Many of my relatives enjoy hunting and aspects of gun-sports. I've also lived all over the world and I've hardly heard any complaints like that. Most people don't give a fuck, they're not stupid and don't think America is a warzone.
Also god forbid people take the constitution seriously, i mean everyone else has been shitting all over it. Why not just shit over ALL THE AMENDMENTS. Of course people are going to take the 2nd amendment seriously, look at everything is going on. There is a great fear with some people that the U.S government will do something even worse then what it was doing now and will require action. To me it is a bit extreme, but people are going to fight for their rights and they have every right too. That is a very very small group of people, however most people enjoy the right to protect themselves and there has been plenty of cases where innocent lives where saved with a firearm.
You also have to look at all the gun sports and hunting aspects in the country. Majority of states make a good amount of money off of hunting permits and tags.
Funny enough people are so busy fighting firearms for no logical reason that they forget about the CDC statistics and how more people die from Heart disease, cancer and more people actually die from the flu every year compared to gun-related deaths. So when you look at all that why is no one fighting hard to prevent these deaths? Oh that is right it does not fit the agenda.
His money would be better spent elsewhere.
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;44561856]Because many Americans feel the need that they have the right to protect themselves. Which they do.
[B]They fear a tyrannical government many uprise and it'll be up to the people to stop it.[/B] Its basically one of the bases of our government today. Thats why we have the obsession.[/QUOTE]
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I've got your number, tyranny.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44561903]Bloomberg likes to portray himself as a "reasonable" guy, but his true motives are not what they appear. Mayors were/are leaving "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" because the group wasn't doing anything to help get illegal guns off of the streets, but doing more to make already legal guns illegal. Everyone knows that he's anti-gun and this does not surprise me.
Something tells me that this will not become as big as the NRA.
Guns were not designed to kill people. They were designed to launch a projectile. Even if you said their primary use is to kill people, you would still be wrong, as more shots are fired at targets every year than people.
also, the knee-jerk legislation would have done nothing to help gun violence. It was feel-good "but we have to do SOMETHIG!" legislation and nothign more.[/QUOTE]
You can say that guns were designed to launch a projectile but that projectile was designed to kill.
Americans love for guns and our gun culture is very easy to understand. We're still a young county. We settled this land with nothing while other modern developing countries had well developed cities. People living on the frontier had to defend themselves from nature. Guns were a tool as much as any other tool. They were necessary because proper police was nonexistent or too far to be of any use. As the frontier moved west so did the gun culture. The country became saturated. People seem to forget that the west was frontier hardly more than 100 years ago. The "cowboy/west" thing isn't that old. You can't expect people to give up something that made it possible for the country to exist when there are still corners of this country where that gun-dependant culture still exists. Alaska and the far southwest for example.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44561903]Guns were not designed to kill people.[/QUOTE]
This is flat out wrong. Swords were replaced by muskets. Muskets, loaders, and repeaters were replaced by guns. They are primarily used by and funded by governments aka their armies. What did these armies use these guns for? To kill someone. Not to fire 'projectiles' at 'targets' the goal has always been a means to someone else's end.
Not while guns may be used for other activies of legal nature. It doesn't take away the fact they have been used more often than not throughout history to kill someone.
I'm sick of people painting gun owners as some crazy group of ignorant rednecks who all froth at the mouth about 'Murica, itching to kill some minorities, or just as criminals for owning a weapon.
If it's not your hobby and/or you just don't understand it, that doesn't entitle you to equate them to a bunch of imbeciles. Riding your high horse through gun threads talking down to people doesn't make you anything other than an asshole.
/rant
On topic: Bloomberg is a moron and the aforementioned type of person.
I would say they're designed to kill "things." What that thing is, is up to the user.
[QUOTE=Genericenemy;44561921]As someone who is looking at this from the outside that's some real big paranoia your country has there.[/QUOTE]
The US is basically domineered by corporate interests. Corruption is an institution. Back 100 years ago companies had the US army strafe the camps of striking workers with attack planes.
Paranoia? Hah.
A human uses a gun to kill a person, or animal.
A human can also use a knife to kill a person, or animal.
People will find ways to kill one another, even if guns are banned from people, or go through harsher checkpoints for people to obtain a weapon. Background checks and the lot, should be needed everywhere.
I don't have a problem with someone owning a weapon. If they keep it somewhere safe, where a child cannot get it, or an accident waiting to happen, and they don't use it for bad causes. Home defense, or self defense in an adjustable situation should be the only reason a gun is used to kill someone.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;44561802]I'll never understand America's or this forum obsession with guns tbh and I just thank my luck that I was born in a country where this shit is not tolerated
Not trying to start a shit riot but honestly I don't get it, I don't understand the need or desire to have or own a deadly weapon that does more harm than good
[editline]16th April 2014[/editline]
Props to this guy and his group, it's a good step[/QUOTE]
Okay, so I want to own a entire exhibit of real weapons, and outfits used in World War 2, the would be locked up under a giant metal door in my basement, does that mean my weapons are going go out and kill people, I want to own them because they are an interesting piece of history that I would love to have, not because I want to run around shooting people with my shirt off like some testosterone junkie.
People who say "Gurn weren't made to kill People, that's liberal superstition" are the same idiots who think Remington invented firearms
I'm all for free gun rights and i like guns but I'm pretty sure the chinese invented thousands of years ago for warfare as a more powerful alternative to the bow, so yeah they were kinda made to hurt or kill at first
At least know the history of what your talking about before you say crap like "jesus invented Colt so uh'merica could be built" no one will take you if you want gun rights but can't be smart enough to know how they work, the history of firearms or how to use them properly
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