Hearing Protection Act: A Bill to Remove Suppresors from the National Firearms Act of 1934 - Polidicks

[quote][t]http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ASA_TAXSTAMP_INSTA_102115-600x600.jpg?beef14[/t] [B]WASHINGTON, D.C.[/B] – [I]The American Suppressor Association[/I] ([I]ASA[/I]) is pleased to announce the introduction of the Hearing Protection Act (HPA) by Rep. Matt Salmon (AZ-05). This historic piece of legislation will remove suppressors from the purview of the National Firearms Act (NFA), replacing the antiquated federal transfer process with an instantaneous NICS background check. The Hearing Protection Act also includes a provision to refund the $200 transfer tax to applicants who purchase a suppressor after October 22, 2015. “The American Suppressor Association believes that citizens should not have to pay a tax to protect their hearing while exercising their Second Amendment rights,” said Knox Williams, President and Executive Director of the ASA. “The removal of suppressors from the National Firearms Act has been our ultimate goal since day one. For months, we have worked alongside Rep. Salmon’s office and the National Rifle Association to craft this legislation. Although we recognize that introducing this bill is the first step in what will be a lengthy process to change federal law, we look forward to working with Rep. Salmon and the NRA to advance and ultimately enact this common-sense legislation.” Also known as silencers, suppressors are the hearing protection of the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century sportsman. Despite common Hollywood-based misconceptions, the laws of physics dictate that no suppressor will ever be able to render gunfire silent. Suppressors are simply mufflers for firearms, which function by trapping the expanding gasses at the muzzle, allowing them to slowly cool in a controlled environment. On average, suppressors reduce the noise of a gunshot by 20 – 35 decibels (dB), roughly the same sound reduction as earplugs or earmuffs. In addition to hearing protection, suppressors also mitigate noise complaints from those who live near shooting ranges and hunting lands. [/quote] [URL="http://www.ammoland.com/2015/10/asa-announces-hearing-protection-act-a-bill-to-remove-suppressors-from-the-nfa/#axzz3pQafRTKG"]Ammo Land [/URL]I really, really hope this goes through. The fact that suppressors require so much paperwork is ridiculous! Being able to have a suppressor for my .22LR would increase my ability to clear out pest animals ten fold.

Say, what is the argument for outlawing suppressors, anyway?

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;48968070]Say, what is the argument for outlawing suppressors, anyway?[/QUOTE] Gangsters used them on hits, not gangstaz, actual gangsters

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;48968070]Say, what is the argument for outlawing suppressors, anyway?[/QUOTE] Wasn't it because it could be perceived as more dangerous, because people wouldn't hear gunfire and be warned? I dunno, something like that?

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;48968070]Say, what is the argument for outlawing suppressors, anyway?[/QUOTE] It can allow criminals to get suppressors that could mask the sound of a gunshot, making home invasions/robbery killings harder to discover.

I'm not sure how they'd get past the Senate, or the president though, not now especially when the dems have been trying to start actual gun policy reform, there is room for a negotiation but the tea nuts won't bother It would be better for the nation if both sides agree to do actual reform but the sponsors of this bill wouldn't give an inch in the other direction either

[QUOTE=kweh;48968078]Wasn't it because it could be perceived as more dangerous, because people wouldn't hear gunfire and be warned? I dunno, something like that?[/QUOTE] not only that, it can tighten the spread of a weapon, and is more accurate on short-barreled guns.

[QUOTE=Sableye;48968075]Gangsters used them on hits, not gangstaz, actual gangsters[/QUOTE] Is there really a difference? Organized crime is organized crime.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48968095]not only that, it can tighten the spread of a weapon, and is more accurate on short-barreled guns.[/QUOTE] No...silencers are unrifled nor do they act as a choke. Also if someone wants to make a silencer they are actually quite simple and easy to build yourself. Any would be criminal if you are really dedicated to that path would and should make one, it's a no brainer. Buying them legally is just for regular law abiding people.

IMO, it's the gun lobby trying to get a new item to peddle. suppressors shouldn't be in the hands of civilians.

Can I go somewhere to vote for this?

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48968109]IMO, it's the gun lobby trying to get a new item to peddle. [B]suppressors shouldn't be in the hands of civilians.[/B][/QUOTE] Except they already are, so that shows how educated you are on the subject despite throwing your opinion in.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;48968101]Is there really a difference? Organized crime is organized crime.[/QUOTE] Eh I can't say that the bloods have anything on the mobs ov the past

Is there any reason that someone would need to use a suppressor, beyond the sake of saying you have one?

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;48968070]Say, what is the argument for outlawing suppressors, anyway?[/QUOTE] Ever fire a gun before? You gotta wear fake headphones just to protect your ears Suppressors are great because they take the massive report from a gunshot and turn it into something more akin to a car door being slammed really loudly. [editline]23rd October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;48968095]not only that, it can tighten the spread of a weapon, and is more accurate on short-barreled guns.[/QUOTE] Jesus christ lay off the Call of Duty man

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;48968130]Is there any reason that someone would need to use a suppressor, beyond the sake of saying you have one?[/QUOTE] Well they cost significantly more than earplugs, so no.

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;48968130]Is there any reason that someone would need to use a suppressor, beyond the sake of saying you have one?[/QUOTE] Guns are fun when they're loud but really it's a lot nicer when the bite is gone. It's a nice novelty and useful, noise pollution, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong someone but I believe in Finland you [I]have[/I] to hunt with a silencer.

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;48968130]Is there any reason that someone would need to use a suppressor, beyond the sake of saying you have one?[/QUOTE] reduces recoil, no need for a hearing aid after mild use just because you didn't bring ear plugs

[QUOTE=DropDeadTed;48968137]Ever fire a gun before? You gotta wear fake headphones just to protect your ears Suppressors are great because they take the massive report from a gunshot and turn it into something more akin to a car door being slammed really loudly. [editline]23rd October 2015[/editline] Jesus christ lay off the Call of Duty man[/QUOTE] Louder than a car door per say lol. Think of it like this, a gunshot is a sonic crack and a boom. The silencer greatly reduces the boom.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;48968101]Is there really a difference? Organized crime is organized crime.[/QUOTE] Racism!

[QUOTE=J!NX;48968151]reduces recoil, no need for a hearing aid after mild use just because you didn't bring ear plugs[/QUOTE] A silencer doesn't reduce recoil. What would imply that it even would?

There's an association JUST for weapon suppressors? [editline]23rd October 2015[/editline] Is there an association for every kind of gun mod?

Don't see why not, silencers are regularly used by hunters around here, criminals rarely, if ever, care about keeping their weapons silenced, as well.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;48968162]There's an association JUST for weapon suppressors? [editline]23rd October 2015[/editline] Is there an association for every kind of gun mod?[/QUOTE] the association of 360 noscoping

[video=youtube;ZVTBIJkSRnk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVTBIJkSRnk[/video] [video=youtube;5asgOrw9L_0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5asgOrw9L_0[/video] For anybody whose only experience with suppressors is Metal Gear and Call of Duty, these videos show a lot about suppressors. The integrally suppressed AK is still pretty loud despite them saying that it's one of the quietest rifles they have, and really shows how much work you have to do just to get a gun report down to a sound where it doesn't make your ears bleed.

[QUOTE=kweh;48968078]Wasn't it because it could be perceived as more dangerous, because people wouldn't hear gunfire and be warned? I dunno, something like that?[/QUOTE] Well its not just perceived as more dangerous. It really is more dangerous.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48968193]Well its not just perceived as more dangerous. It really is more dangerous.[/QUOTE] Because you say it's dangerous? What exactly does dangerous mean in the context? I don't really get the point you're making.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48968193]Well its not just perceived as more dangerous. It really is more dangerous.[/QUOTE] Yeah, marginally. Any gun beyond a tiny-ass one like a .22 is still going to be pretty loud suppressor or not. Hell I'm not even sure if I'm correct about tiny ass .22s being suppressable. But it doesn't make the gun any easier to shoot or magically convert FMJ into hollow point, nothing "dangerous" about it beyond a slight reduction to noise.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48968193]Well its not just perceived as more dangerous. It really is more dangerous.[/QUOTE] It sill sounds like a gun being fired. It's just a little quieter, it might actually help improve reporting the location of gunfire, as the sound isn't as distributed.

Real life suppressors are nothing like video game/movie suppressors. They don't turn gunshots into barely audible *pfft* noises, they are still very recognizably gunshots.