• Russia wants justice: 1969 Moon Landing
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[quote]There is only one thing that is even worse [than corruption]—when corrupt officials decide to "fight against corruption" with their corrupt aims. We are not arguing that they did not fly [to the moon] and only shot a film. But all of these scientific—or perhaps cultural—artifacts are part of the legacy of humanity, and their disappearance without a trace is our common loss. An investigation will show [what has happened]. [/quote] [url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2500738-russia-want-investigation-into-moon-landings-in-response-to-fbis-fifa-probe]nice[/url]
Throwing darts at a wall of various American achievements, I see
You lost the moon race, get over it Russia
Okay Russians being crazy and all but [QUOTE]The original film of Neil Armstrong and company landing on the moon was deleted by NASA in 2009, and Markin wonders why.[/QUOTE] is this even true? If so, I wonder why too. I'm not saying it gives any credibility to what the nutters are saying but why the hell would you delete footage of the first ever moon landing
I'd hate to defend idiots, but Markin in no way said that there's going to be any kind of investigation like that. He just mentioned it, for some reason, among other "possible investigations", like investigation on military crimes in Ukraine, including who (implying USA and Europe) stands behind the curtains and shit. Also, USA sent weapons to ISIS, apparently. I can directly translate relevant part of the article in question if someone wants. But it'll hurt my brain, the level of stupid is pretty close to "BUT AMERICANS NEVER WENT TO THE MOON BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS THE SKY IS A FIRMAMENT".
[QUOTE=Elspin;48007029]Okay Russians being crazy and all but is this even true? If so, I wonder why too. I'm not saying it gives any credibility to what the nutters are saying but why the hell would you delete footage of the first ever moon landing[/QUOTE] It's pretty disingenuous. Tapes were made in case the broadcast failed, but the broadcast didn't fail, so numerous other tapes were made from that. It's those "original" tapes that are missing, but tapes made from the broadcast are just as original.
[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;48007022]You lost the moon race, get over it Russia[/QUOTE] Wasn't Russia first to get into space and to the moon though? The US was first to get people on the moon, but IIRC they did lose the actual race to get there.
It's funny how this fact went undisputed during the Cold War, when international relations between the two superpowers were substantially worse than they are now even with the Ukraine shit putting a wet blanket on cooperation, and all of a sudden it arises because the FIFA money train didn't stop at Russia before its fishy doings were exposed. He's basically pulling the moon-landing conspiracist flavour of "I'm not racist, but..." with those remarks, and that should say everything. [editline]19th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=joost1120;48007075]Wasn't Russia first to get into space and to the moon though? The US was first to get people on the moon, but IIRC they did lose the actual race to get there.[/QUOTE] Russia put a turtle in orbit around the moon months before NASA got there (and brought it back home), and it had an unmanned rover on the surface during the historic landing, but they didn't get humans on the surface first -- and that was basically the real finish line.
[QUOTE=joost1120;48007075]Wasn't Russia first to get into space and to the moon though? The US was first to get people on the moon, but IIRC they did lose the actual race to get there.[/QUOTE] The Soviets smashed a couple impact probes there in the late 1950s and 1960s, yes. The US didn't have a successful moon landing until 1964 [editline]19th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48007099] Russia put a turtle in orbit around the moon months before NASA got there (and brought it back home), and it had an unmanned rover on the surface during the historic landing, but they didn't get humans on the surface first -- and that was basically the real finish line.[/QUOTE] The Lunakhod rovers didn't land til a year after Apollo 11.
[QUOTE=joost1120;48007075]Wasn't Russia first to get into space and to the moon though? The US was first to get people on the moon, but IIRC they did lose the actual race to get there.[/QUOTE] Is that really important? The space race is long finished, so i think we can safely get rid of that space dickwaving and just look at the achievements of both countries from the pragmatic point of view.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48007099]It's funny how this fact went undisputed during the Cold War, when international relations between the two superpowers were substantially worse than they are now even with the Ukraine shit putting a wet blanket on cooperation, and all of a sudden it arises because the FIFA money train didn't stop at Russia before its fishy doings were exposed. He's basically pulling the moon-landing conspiracist flavour of "I'm not racist, but..." with those remarks, and that should say everything. [editline]19th June 2015[/editline] Russia put a turtle in orbit around the moon months before NASA got there (and brought it back home), and it had an unmanned rover on the surface during the historic landing, but they didn't get humans on the surface first -- and that was basically the real finish line.[/QUOTE] Lunokhod I didn't land on the moon until 1970. They had soft landed 2 unmanned spacecraft, but nothing that could move around on the surface.
I'll put that on the list of things to beat the QI elves over, as they'd asserted differently on a podcast episode months back. At any rate, the Apollo landing was undisputed at the time by America's bitter and powerful rival when they had every incentive to not only dispute it but outright lie. This guy is just grasping at straws.
For me, the fact that the USSR conceded is the number one reason why the Moon landings were absolutely real. If they had even the faintest shadow of a doubt that they had been fake, they would have said so; even if they were wrong, it wouldn't have been the first time that they'd lied.
I never understand why no one still not make any photo of landing zone? or better make online webcam
[QUOTE=FluD;48007230]I never understand why no one still not make any photo of landing zone? or better make online webcam[/QUOTE] I don't think we need to devote $200 million to sending up a rocket to the moon to drop a lander at the site of the original moon landing just to make gullible idiots shut up.
[QUOTE=FluD;48007230]I never understand why no one still not make any photo of landing zone? or better make online webcam[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/628457main1_Apollo_11-670.jpg[/img] [img]https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/627885main1_M175252641LR_ap15-673.jpg[/img] Rest are [url=https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/revisited/#.VYSWOPlVikq]here[/url].
Im not sure if there have been films lost due to negligence or someone stealing them, but I do know that NASA has converted a lot of their film to digital format over the years and put it online. Im not sure you can find the entire unabridged video from a mission, might need to do some digging, but I know their film magazines for pictures and stuff are all online. [URL]http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html[/URL] I would be willing to bet that a lot of the apollo film is still in storage somewhere, someone would just need to gingerly take it out (if you can even avoid damaging it) and scan it to digital.
Is Russia the new North Korea?
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;48007300]Well then we say its fake, and then?[/QUOTE] Some nutters think the moon is a hologram therefore the moon landing must be fake.
[QUOTE=joost1120;48007075]Wasn't Russia first to get into space and to the moon though? The US was first to get people on the moon, but IIRC they did lose the actual race to get there.[/QUOTE] To be fair, by the time the US got to the moon, the resources of their space program were [I]way[/I] ahead of the budget for the Soviet's. It wasn't just a matter of "firsts", it was also an endurance race.
[QUOTE=antianan;48007144]Is that really important? The space race is long finished, so i think we can safely get rid of that space dickwaving and just look at the achievements of both countries from the pragmatic point of view.[/QUOTE] And looking at it from an objective point of view, the USSR had significantly more achievements during the space race period. First orbit, first person in space (Which imo is just as impressive as the moon landing), and the first lunar orbit. I find the space race fascinating as a piece of cold war American propaganda, considering they convinced the western world that they had won the space race, years after it had finished by moving the goalposts. I bet the vast majority of people would know the first man on the moon, and not the first man in space.
[QUOTE=FluD;48007230]I never understand why no one still not make any photo of landing zone? or better make online webcam[/QUOTE] That's actually word for word what Putin said
[QUOTE=TheCreeper;48008023]Some nutters think the moon is a hologram therefore the moon landing must be fake.[/QUOTE] Somewhat related. [video=youtube_share;vH9aP-MNwbg]http://youtu.be/vH9aP-MNwbg[/video]
No manned moon missions Russia?
[QUOTE=The Aussie;48008857]And looking at it from an objective point of view, the USSR had significantly more achievements during the space race period. First orbit, first person in space (Which imo is just as impressive as the moon landing), and the first lunar orbit. I find the space race fascinating as a piece of cold war American propaganda, considering they convinced the western world that they had won the space race, years after it had finished by moving the goalposts. I bet the vast majority of people would know the first man on the moon, and not the first man in space.[/QUOTE] you forget the first satellite, not only that everyone can hear it and nobody can turn it off during the Cold War, it was very impressive and today impressive how they have changed the world
The achievements of the soviet space program under the leadership of Sergei Korolev cannot be overstated. What they achieved was incredible. It is simply a matter of funding that held them back. They would surely have beat us to the moon had they poured the kind of money into their program that we did into ours. I have no doubt in my mind about that. Also to anyone disputing apollo, just go have a look at the 70mm hasselblads, way better than any video. Although there are many, many pieces of 16mm film available from the flight and digitally scanned at high resolution that look great, too (probably any documentary footage you've seen of the flights in recently made stuff is from the onboard 16mm cameras, scanned to digital - except of course for the live tv shots for historical context). The 70mm still shots just have so much detail though that it becomes immediately obvious that you're looking at the surface of another world. [url]http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/[/url]
Really what killed the soviet lunar program was the demand for cost savings.
i think they should be seeking justice for how we cured polio [editline]20th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=mecaguy03;48009162]Really what killed the soviet lunar program was the demand for cost savings.[/QUOTE] also a handful of nuts and bolts that fell off the rocket, hit an air-intake and blew up the entire n-1 launch complex again
Someone did the math. Because of the weight, length, size and the way film worked back then, to do what they did, record it, then play it back as if it were live on TV would have been harder than actually landing on the moon
[QUOTE=TheTalon;48011724]Someone did the math. Because of the weight, length, size and the way film worked back then, to do what they did, record it, then play it back as if it were live on TV would have been harder than actually landing on the moon[/QUOTE] Not if you have alien/reptilian technology to edit the movie like we can easily do today By the way, there you go: [video=youtube;sGXTF6bs1IU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGXTF6bs1IU[/video]
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