Merkel's party wins, SPD at historic low as AfD becomes 3rd largest party - German exit poll

[Bob The Knob]

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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41376577[/url]
[quote]German Chancellor Angela Merkel has been re-elected for a fourth term in federal elections, exit polls suggest.

Her conservative CDU/CSU alliance has won 32.5% of the vote, remaining the largest party in Germany's parliament, according to the ARD poll.

Its coalition partner, the social democratic SPD, has gained 20%.

Meanwhile, the AfD, a nationalist, anti-Islam party, was on track to win 13.5%, emerging as Germany's third-strongest party.[/quote]

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-41367497?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=59c7d5dbe4b0dcc521fa97cc%26Full%20exit%20poll%20predictions%26&ns_fee=0#post_59c7d5dbe4b0dcc521fa97cc[/url]
[quote]These are the numbers according to public broadcaster ARD/infratest-dmap

Centre-right CDU/CSU: 32.5%

Centre-left SPD: 20%

Right-wing nationalist AfD: 13.5%

Liberal FDP: 10.5%

Greens: 9.5%

Die Linke (The Left): 9%[/quote]

Anti-AfD protests taking place in Berlin and Frankfurt

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[url]http://www.dw.com/en/anti-afd-protests-break-out-in-berlin-after-german-election/a-40664356[/url]
[quote]Hundreds of demonstrators gathered on Berlin's Alexanderplatz on Sunday evening, bearing umbrellas to keep dry and waving anti-AfD signs to protest the far-right populist party's election result.[/quote]

[Erkor]

[B][I]NO[/I][/B]

i didnt want merkel

[Thelurker1234]

[B][I]YES[/I][/B]

MUTTI SIEGT

kind of. this was obviously going to happen, since the schulzzug derailed long ago. what's more interesting is how government will form.

The SPD have said that they do not want to be a junior partner with the CDU again, knocking out a grand coalition at this time. They also, according to this forecast, won't be able to pull off a traffic-light coalition (SPD-FDP-Green) or red-red-green.

Often the third most popular party is who really matters, but quite literally everybody has ruled out working with the AfD. They don't have enough of the vote to form a government alone with anyone either.

Kind of leaves a CDU-FDP-Green coalition left, which is used in one (?) state government iirc.

[Mifil]

It was known from the very start that Merkel was going to win.

Also AfD getting into parliment means that they will have access to german budget. That won't bring anything good for sure.

[coup]

This is expected, but the fact that far right nationalists are gaining hold in Germany again is disgusting to say the least.

[Van-man]

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52713222]This is expected, but the fact that far right nationalists are gaining hold in Germany again is disgusting to say the least.[/QUOTE]

The increasingly sensationalistic media really ain't helping.

[G-Man]

And it's unfortunately not limited to Germany. Far-right parties are gaining in popularity across Europe.

[DaCool]

CDU will stay, that is for sure, now they gotta find which other 2 parties in the lower 20% bracket to form a coalition with.

One thing is for sure, if SPD is out of the picture, CDU gonna need to compromise harder then before.
Which is a good thing in my book, politicians getting too complacent is not a good sign (as we have seen lately).

[Killuah]

Incredibly disgusting.
Literal Neo-Nazis in the parlament.

The good thing coming out of this:
-end of the big coalition

[editline]24th September 2017[/editline]

AfD already stated they will "hunt" the government and Merkel

[Kecske]

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52713222]This is expected, but the fact that far right nationalists are gaining hold in Germany again is disgusting to say the least.[/QUOTE]

Maybe it's time to look back, and think about why people are turning away from mainstream parties, and what these parties could do to regain their trust.

[Thelurker1234]

[QUOTE=Kecske;52713342]Maybe it's time to look back, and think about why people are turning away from mainstream parties, and what these parties could do to regain their trust.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't really mean that they're good reasons that should be heeded.

As far as I can tell, the AfD are fueled by two things

1. Hardcore conservatives who are buttmad about all of the compromise merkel does
and
2. anti-refugee hysteria.

Both groups are dipshits.

[Cutthecrap]

No what the fuck!

Where's the meme magic? Schulz was supposed to have a huge %!

Goddamn Germans! They've...

They've ruined Germany!

Colour fact: The town were the V2 rockets were tested and developed, Peenemünde, has circa 50% AfD in the polls!

[Killuah]

Lot's of the AfD voters are also uneducated losers of globalization who don't realize that the AfD will be making politics AGAINST them and are just voting them out of spite.

[Conely]

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;52713267]And it's unfortunately not limited to Germany. Far-right parties are gaining in popularity across Europe.[/QUOTE]

though let's not sensationalize it like it's 2016 - most of those parties have seen gains, but their actual performance has ranged from decent to flaccid. it's important to break it all down into local factors and individual cases before we start thinking the whole world's gonna turn into Wolfenstein.

[Thelurker1234]

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52713384]No what the fuck!

Where's the meme magic? Schulz was supposed to have a huge %!

Goddamn Germans! They've...

They've ruined Germany!

Colour fact: The town were the V2 rockets were tested and developed, Peenemünde, has circa 50% AfD in the polls![/QUOTE]

[thumb]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/German_Opinion_Polls_2017_Election.png[/thumb]

by may schulz ran out of mana

[knimren]

What the fuck is this shit. None of the good parties got barely any votes and one (green) that goes completely against their own goals that they have had for years still get 9.5 %...

[_maverick_]

Seems like parliament voting and elections are going wrong everywhere.

[Firewarrior]

[QUOTE=Killuah;52713331]Incredibly disgusting.
Literal Neo-Nazis in the parlament.

The good thing coming out of this:
-end of the big coalition

[editline]24th September 2017[/editline]

AfD already stated they will "hunt" the government and Merkel[/QUOTE]

Ah, you are back. A shame.

Good job taking it literally. Knew someone would do that lmao

[QUOTE=Killuah;52713386]Lot's of the AfD voters are also uneducated losers of globalization who don't realize that the AfD will be making politics AGAINST them and are just voting them out of spite.[/QUOTE]
That's been proven wrong again and again. Can you do anything else beside spout, what would you call them, fake-news?

Educate yourself.

[Thelurker1234]

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;52713477]Seems like parliament voting and elections are going wrong everywhere.[/QUOTE]

What do you mean?

People may have their pet parties and beliefs, but this isn't remotely a "bad" result. Most recent elections have been decent aside from the UK and America's.

Actually I wouldn't even call the UK election bad. It deeply humiliated the tories, gave them a lesson about complacency, and threw them into a very unstable coalition.

[GrizzlyBear]

AfD sound like the UKIP of Germany.

Media hype them up to be some huge, unstoppable titan and constantly give them coverage while in reality at their "height" they are a VERY distant third. Hopefully they share the same fate and collapse into nothing.

[Wafflemonstr]

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52713539]AfD sound like the UKIP of Germany.

Media hype them up to be some huge, unstoppable titan and constantly give them coverage while in reality at their "height" they are a VERY distant third. Hopefully they share the same fate and collapse into nothing.[/QUOTE]

UKIP faded to nothing because the fucking conservatives practically took their platform. They disrupted UK politics, and ultimately got at least one thing they wanted(brexit), before collapsing.

[_maverick_]

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52713489]What do you mean?

People may have their pet parties and beliefs, but this isn't remotely a "bad" result. Most recent elections have been decent aside from the UK and America's.

Actually I wouldn't even call the UK election bad. It deeply humiliated the tories, gave them a lesson about complacency, and threw them into a very unstable coalition.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I was getting the impression that this [I]was[/I] a bad result.

[Cutthecrap]

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52713405][thumb]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/German_Opinion_Polls_2017_Election.png[/thumb]

by may schulz ran out of mana[/QUOTE]

Jesus Christ talk about volatile actives...

[Killuah]

[QUOTE=Firewarrior;52713488]Ah, you are back. A shame.

Good job taking it literally. Knew someone would do that lmao

That's been proven wrong again and again. Can you do anything else beside spout, what would you call them, fake-news?

Educate yourself.[/QUOTE]

Where did I take it literally? I even put quotes around the word?

Here is an article detailing what people the AfD now will send into our parliament.

[url]http://www.tagesspiegel.de/themen/reportage/rechte-vor-einzug-in-den-bundestag-so-extrem-sind-die-kandidaten-der-afd/20350578.html[/url]

I checked, google translate works pretty well.

Holocaust deniers, calling refugees "Migressors" (roughly translated), right wing extremists, NWO-believers, Neofascists, Climate Change deniers(one guy literally said that plants need CO2 and that's why producing Co2 is good), ex Schill-Party(yes it really was named that) members, so literally Neo-Nazis, Israel haters

You name it, they have it.
I wish I was making this shit up

I don't know what you mean with "educate yourself", I am from one of the regions where AfD is the strongest and it's a lot of those people I described that are voting AfD, shamefuly enough people I know personaly.
That's why I added the word "also". To add to what he said.

[EcksDee]

[QUOTE=Killuah;52713622]Where did I take it literally? I even put quotes around the word?

Here is an article detailing what people the AfD now will send into our parliament.

[url]http://www.tagesspiegel.de/themen/reportage/rechte-vor-einzug-in-den-bundestag-so-extrem-sind-die-kandidaten-der-afd/20350578.html[/url]

I checked, google translate works pretty well.

Holocaust deniers, calling refugees "Migressors" (roughly translated), right wing extremists, NWO-believers, Neofascists, Climate Change deniers(one guy literally said that plants need CO2 and that's why producing Co2 is good), ex Schill-Party(yes it really was named that) members, so literally Neo-Nazis, Israel haters

You name it, they have it.
I wish I was making this shit up

I don't know what you mean with "educate yourself", I am from one of the regions where AfD is the strongest and it's a lot of those people I described that are voting AfD, shamefuly enough people I know personaly.
That's why I added the word "also". To add to what he said.[/QUOTE]

So with Donald Trump, Brexit, now this, the western world is becoming more and more racist?

Kinda sucks to live atm doesn't it.

[isak]

A shame Schulz couldn't maintain his popularity boost - I like SPD's general policies (from the little I've read). Merkel's proven herself to be an enormously competent leader, but I worry that sticking with centrists and moderates may actually end up helping parties like AfD get a stronger foothold. Not a particularly surprising election, though. Just wish AfD would pull a UKIP and die.

[Hail Satan]

[QUOTE=EcksDee;52713709]So with Donald Trump, Brexit, now this, the western world is becoming more and more racist?

Kinda sucks to live atm doesn't it.[/QUOTE]

The world isn't more racist, they're simply being given a larger platform than they have had in a while.

[Bob The Knob]

Anti-AfD demonstrators are gathering in Berlin's Alexanderplatz

[url]http://www.dw.com/en/anti-afd-protests-break-out-in-berlin-after-german-election/a-40664356[/url]

[media]https://twitter.com/byrnemaria/status/912021696256905217[/media]

And Frankfurt too

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[Kecske]

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52713370]Doesn't really mean that they're good reasons that should be heeded.

As far as I can tell, the AfD are fueled by two things

1. Hardcore conservatives who are buttmad about all of the compromise merkel does
and
2. anti-refugee hysteria.

Both groups are dipshits.[/QUOTE]

Thats the thing, these "dipshits" always existed and had the same beliefs, yet somehow NPD (the other, even more far-right party) never managed to cross the 5% parliamentary threshold.
I'd like to expand on your first point, because I think a lot of them might be just regular conservatives.

Here is the historical right-left (+/-) score of German parties since 1994, courtesy of the Manifesto Project (note that the latest data is from 2013, so AFD should be reeally further up nowadays)

[t]http://i.cubeupload.com/eoo4IY.png[/t]

As I see it, CDU/CSU has effectively become a centrist party over the years, leaving a vacuum on the political right. Of course most of their voters remained loyal, but some figured AFD might better represent them, since it's still closer to them ideologically than CDU/CSU now.

Of course in light of the European Refugee/Migration Crisis and recent German terror attacks, voters probably shifted somewhat to the right aswell. But I think the shift of the CDU/CSU was just as instrumental in the rise of the AFD.

[DMGaina]

[QUOTE=Killuah;52713622]
[B]Holocaust deniers[/B], calling refugees "Migressors" (roughly translated), right wing extremists, NWO-believers, Neofascists, Climate Change deniers(one guy literally said that plants need CO2 and that's why producing Co2 is good), ex Schill-Party(yes it really was named that) members, so literally Neo-Nazis, Israel haters
[/QUOTE]

Lots of idiots for sure but in there article you mentioned, none of them was a holocaust denier.
The article points out that some of these individuals are in the same club of holocaust deniers or have or had contact to some at one point.

But not one of them is, according to this article a holocaust denier.