Canadian Town postpones deer cull indefinately after traps repeatedly sabotaged
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[quote]The deer cull is on hold indefinitely in Cranbrook after four provincially-owned clover traps were vandalized overnight Thursday.
Around 5:30am Friday morning, City contractors making their early morning rounds discovered the four traps had the netting slashed making them unusable. All of the traps were located on private property.
The RCMP was immediately notified and an investigation is underway.[/quote]
[quote]"We're going to halt the cull now, of course, but we're going to go ahead and try to get permit—hopefully for two years—and we're going to continue to work with the other communities that we've partnered up with, and the province, to look into the relocation idea.
"Either way, we feel strongly for safety reasons, if none other, that the deer have to be gone out of town."[/quote]
[quote]The deer cull program began on Sunday, February 22, 2015 with the setup and baiting of traps and concluded overnight Thursday, March 5, 2015, with a total of 4 mule deer—one adult buck and three adult does—being captured and euthanized over an approximate 11 day trapping period.
All of the mule deer were processed and the meat distributed to three local organizations to be used for human consumption. This process was clearly identified in the guidelines embedded in the Wildlife Permit provided by MFLNRO.
All meat preparation was conducted by a qualified local butcher and processed in a facility inspected and approved by both Interior Health and MFLNRO.
Although there was provision in the Wildlife Permit to capture and euthanize both mule deer and incidental white-tail deer, the contractor was instructed by the City and the Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations (MFLNRO) to release any captured white-tail deer, if it was deemed safe to do so, for both the deer and the contractor.[/quote]
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Let me tell you how this all came to light.
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADGn1GABF0Q]**WARNING - VIDEO OF A DOG GETTING FUCKED UP BY A DEER**[/url]
Not only Cranbrook, but all of the interior towns and cities (my city included) have major problems with an exploding deer population. When they aren't eating anything that isn't completely fenced they're seriously injuring or killing pets and small animals (or wandering out on the roads at night and fucking your car up). They've also charged after people. Relocating the deer has not been working so we simply shoot them. Of course we've been having environmentalists crawl out of the woodwork because, well, you're killing them.
Yes we are, however it's not like it's a badger or a wolf or coyote or big horned sheep. It's your generic mule deer that you can find living anywhere in North America. A year or so ago they arrested two people sabotaging a bunch of traps. Cranbrook is a few hours away but here in town the Conservation Officers are installing cameras near the traps to monitor them. Nelson briefly experimented with giving any town resident who was a licensed gun owner two free deer tags. Salmon Arm and Vernon are working on chemical castration methods.
Sounds like if I could hop up there and be allowed to, I could take care of some of them. I'm a hunter for the reference.
Why not set up a trap with a deer cull as the bait? Let's hunt humans!
If they have such a problem with deer why not make the hunting season for them all year for one year with no limit, you'd get hunters with stocked freezers real quick.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBglSzz4bKI[/URL]
[QUOTE=zerglingv2;47294958]If they have such a problem with deer why not make the hunting season for them all year for one year with no limit, you'd get hunters with stocked freezers real quick.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBglSzz4bKI[/URL][/QUOTE]
I never got the hunting season thing in North America. If they're a problem then hunt them year round.
We can hunt deer here in Australia all year round but they're feral pests :v:
That video is fucked though. If that was my dog I would have bricked that fucking deer in the head.
[QUOTE=zerglingv2;47294958]If they have such a problem with deer why not make the hunting season for them all year for one year with no limit, you'd get hunters with stocked freezers real quick.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBglSzz4bKI[/URL][/QUOTE]
They tried to push for that but last I heard the province was still in court with a number of groups who opposed it. There is also a problem with discharging a firearm within town limits not being allowed. My livingroom window overlooks the wilderness but I'm still at least 5km from city limits.
[QUOTE=ksenior;47294986]I never got the hunting season thing in North America. If they're a problem then hunt them year round.
We can hunt deer here in Australia all year round but they're feral pests :v:
That video is fucked though. If that was my dog I would have bricked that fucking deer in the head.[/QUOTE]
It stems back to conservation when entire species were on the verge of extinction due to overhunting like wolves and buffalo. Atleast in the US that's why.
at one point in america you could hunt wolves or foxes (i can't remember which) and turn in their scalps to some state org for a cash sum with no upper limit, IIRC. my dad used to do it he says.
[QUOTE=pentium;47295006]They tried to push for that but last I heard the province was still in court with a number of groups who opposed it. There is also a problem with discharging a firearm within town limits not being allowed. My livingroom window overlooks the wilderness but I'm still at least 5km from city limits.[/QUOTE]
If it's to defend life or property doesn't that set up a legal basis to permit it? Like with self-defense? I don't know how Canada works though.
[QUOTE=ksenior;47294986]I never got the hunting season thing in North America. If they're a problem then hunt them year round.
We can hunt deer here in Australia all year round but they're feral pests :v:
That video is fucked though. If that was my dog I would have bricked that fucking deer in the head.[/QUOTE]
While I don't hunt, several of my relatives and friends do. It's mostly to keep the population in check, rather than total obliteration. While you're right to say that 'if something is bothersome, just remove it', there's a sort of balance to strike depending on the beast in question. If history has taught us anything, trying to deal with something being invasive doesn't particularly work if you don't take a size 12 boot and kick them into the ground. The situation in Canada sounds like an invasion of a species to be totally honest, but that's probably hyperbolizing the situation. My opinion? Just let some old people from Pennsylvania have a 6-month temp visa to Canada to take care of it and you'll probably have less deer and more moonshine operations when they're done. They're a great source of meat too! Deer meat rocks.
Same shit happens here in the UK with deer, they're causing serious problems with growth for new trees and shit.
So we're just bringing back Lynx.
[QUOTE=Vaught;47295190]While I don't hunt, several of my relatives and friends do. It's mostly to keep the population in check, rather than total obliteration. While you're right to say that 'if something is bothersome, just remove it', there's a sort of balance to strike depending on the beast in question. If history has taught us anything, trying to deal with something being invasive doesn't particularly work if you don't take a size 12 boot and kick them into the ground. The situation in Canada sounds like an invasion of a species to be totally honest, but that's probably hyperbolizing the situation. My opinion? Just let some old people from Pennsylvania have a 6-month temp visa to Canada to take care of it and you'll probably have less deer and more moonshine operations when they're done. They're a great source of meat too! Deer meat rocks.[/QUOTE]
I'm not old but I live in PA and love deer meat.
[QUOTE=Quark:;47295102]at one point in america you could hunt wolves or foxes (i can't remember which) and turn in their scalps to some state org for a cash sum with no upper limit, IIRC. my dad used to do it he says.[/QUOTE]
They're bringing back the wolf hunt up north as well because of sharply declining caribou counts and they're killing livestock.
You guys should see Newfoundland's moose problem. They're everywhere.
Don't these yuppies know how much of a problem deer overpopulation actually is? It's literally killing people via car V deer accidents, not to mention massive ecological problems. We have driven away their natural predators, so we must take that place and shoot the fuckin' things.
Bring in the Canadian military just like the Aussie's did for Emu's. After they're done killing deer, let people skin and butcher them so they can have hides and meat for a few good months.
Seriously, throw all your cadet snipers at them, they get live target practice and you cull an over populating animal, win win in my opinion.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47295380]Bring in the Canadian military just like the Aussie's did for Emu's. After they're done killing deer, let people skin and butcher them so they can have hides and meat for a few good months.
Seriously, throw all your cadet snipers at them, they get live target practice and you cull an over populating animal, win win in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
It's funny you suggest that, cause the Emu war was a straight up failure.
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47295473]It's funny you suggest that, cause the Emu war was a straight up failure.[/QUOTE]
It could be different. I could see snipers taking deer out to be better than a whole regiment of soldiers using whatever they have to kill emu.
Like I said, live target practice for Canadian cadet snipers, maybe also bring in third parties like local hunters or law enforcement officers on leave.
There are plenty of hunters here in Quebec, but we still have serious deer problems across the province. The problem is very strict limits on when/how you can hunt deer and the sale of the meat. I mention selling them because 2 deer doesn't sound like much, but will feed a family for months; the amount of good meat on those animals is staggering. Having people hunt them and sell the carcass/meat would be a fantastic way to make use of them while managing the population.
[QUOTE=ksenior;47294986]I never got the hunting season thing in North America. If they're a problem then hunt them year round.
We can hunt deer here in Australia all year round but they're feral pests :v:
That video is fucked though. If that was my dog I would have bricked that fucking deer in the head.[/QUOTE]
The North American model for Wildlife conservation is actually one of the most effective mechanisms for wildlife preservation in the world. By releasing tags and limiting hunting times, populations are normally managed extremely well. Hunters are frequently redneck idiots (but many are not), but the government uses them to maintain animal populations extremely well.
A problem arises when you don't have enough hunters to fill the tags put out, which is likely what is currently happening. Hunting in the off season can destabilize a population, even if it is overpopulated. A remarkable amount of science is behind managing animal populations. Animals are held in a public trust both in Canada and the US, which makes managing them appropriately extremely important to both the people and the government.
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[QUOTE=FlakAttack;47295630]There are plenty of hunters here in Quebec, but we still have serious deer problems across the province. The problem is very strict limits on when/how you can hunt deer and the sale of the meat. I mention selling them because 2 deer doesn't sound like much, but will feed a family for months; the amount of good meat on those animals is staggering. Having people hunt them and sell the carcass/meat would be a fantastic way to make use of them while managing the population.[/QUOTE]
The restrictions on meat sales are for safety reasons most likely. In the US, and I assume the reasoning is the same in Canada, you need a government inspector to certify meat products. For hunting that means you would basically need someone in the field to certify how the animal was killed and the condition of the meat. It just isn't feasible.
It is frustrating, but generally reasonable.
[QUOTE=GunFox;47295732]The North American model for Wildlife conservation is actually one of the most effective mechanisms for wildlife preservation in the world. By releasing tags and limiting hunting times, populations are normally managed extremely well. Hunters are frequently redneck idiots (but many are not), but the government uses them to maintain animal populations extremely well.
A problem arises when you don't have enough hunters to fill the tags put out, which is likely what is currently happening. Hunting in the off season can destabilize a population, even if it is overpopulated. A remarkable amount of science is behind managing animal populations. Animals are held in a public trust both in Canada and the US, which makes managing them appropriately extremely important to both the people and the government.
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I was going to suggest that they keep the same number of tags per year but open it up year round but then you said it would destabilize the population. And idea how exactly?
[QUOTE=ksenior;47296404]I was going to suggest that they keep the same number of tags per year but open it up year round but then you said it would destabilize the population. And idea how exactly?[/QUOTE]
You're hurting more than you're helping.
Deer have babies once a year, in the spring time. By allowing a "all year season", you're not only running the risk of shooting pregnant does, but you run a large risk of taking the parents away from the fawns, leaving them to starve and die.
Hunting season usually caters to this by starting when the fawns are old enough, and ending when the deer are usually overly-pregnant.
The government really should send out game wardens to monitor the trapping efforts day and night, and possibly put out motion cameras to capture images of the perpetrators. Arrest anyone who tries to slash the traps for destruction of private property and trespassing, and put them under house arrest for a week to make sure they cannot simply go about destroying traps during the conservation effort. If some group is responsible for the destruction of traps, just have them arrested for organized crime. I mean they are trespassing on private property and all with the intent to do illegal activities.
Been to Cranbrook, beautiful place. But in these towns like Cranbrook, Lethbridge, Waterton, there are deer everywhere, and they're NOT afraid of people anymore because we no longer need to hunt them for food and tourists like seeing them around. This is what happens.
I once saw a child go straight up to a deer with it's fawn and he tried to pet the deer. He was about 1 inch away from the deer's feet when it got up on its legs and almost hit the kid in the face, the kid just stood their with wide eyes until his parents quickly grabbed him away. The kid didn't understand that deer are still wild animals, even though not predators , they are personified in media as 'Bambi's' and harmless beings. They will FUCK you up if its children are around.
This is what happens when you 1. fuck up an ecosystem by driving out the top predators and 2. don't replace them.
Fucking hippies.
My town has a program where you can hunt deer within neighborhoods but luckily my town has a lot of woods and fields between the houses so it's not a bad thing. It's not uncommon to look out my window and see a guy with a gun perched in a tree outside my window
[QUOTE=zerglingv2;47295234]I'm not old but I live in PA and love deer meat.[/QUOTE]
Deer meat makes amazing stew
[QUOTE=Jmir 54;47305572]My town has a program where you can hunt deer within neighborhoods but luckily my town has a lot of woods and fields between the houses so it's not a bad thing. It's not uncommon to look out my window and see a guy with a gun perched in a tree outside my window[/QUOTE]
That sounds a tad dangerous, man.
Hell, even here in southern Arkansas you're only legally allowed to hunt on private leases.
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[QUOTE=Mitsudigi;47305635]Deer meat makes amazing stew[/QUOTE]
And deer chili.
And fried steaks with cathead biscuits and gravy.
And everything.
If you want an actual argument against culling its that it fucks with natural selection. Deer won't be the ones that are just the best at naturally surviving but the ones that are the best at not getting shot by humans.
I'm neutral on the whole matter but people in the thread think hunting limits / bans should only apply to those animals that are endangered.
The whole reason they still have hunting seasons and limits, at least here in PA, is so that we can accurately measure our deer population. If you just let people hunt all they want, you won't be able to keep track of deer as effectively, possibly over-hunting them. Though farmers are allowed to shoot deer in their fields and the like.
I don't know why you listed badger, wolf, and coyote on the list of "well it's not like it's..." as if any of those are endangered. We have a huge coyote problem in Ontario, wolves are open to hunt too, though admittedly I'm not sure on badgers, but I have heard that they fuck shit up pretty bad.
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