• Do you believe there will be another 'Great' War soon?
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Yeah, I know, it's a stupid-washed up question. However I am curious to know FPs views. With the current crisis in Ukraine, Russian and Chinese militaries trying to make themselves as powerful as the US. And China making crazy claims to islands 100s of miles away from them. Also with the current situation in the Middle-east, and the Indian-Pakistan border that's been disputed for so long. It'd make for interesting conversation. If you do believe it will happen, how so?
If there is, it will be spectacular, and probably quite short.
If it does happen, it will have been planned for months if not years. You don't get all this information technology and just Leeroy Jenkins a world war.
Not 'til 2077
Too much international trade for a WWII style war, but wont be surprised if there was a regional conflict in the next 20 years. Eg, China - Japan skirmishes, Russia - Small Russian neighbors, Middle East... etc
I reckon there is going to be a fuq load of proxy wars; the cold war seems to be heating up again.
I have strong feelings that we'll annex Canada by 2020. It's bound to happen, you guys have a tiny army and most of your population is right next to our border.
If America keeps up with their shit we're going to see a spectacular war to end all wars. Mostly because it'll likely put us all on the extinct list. [editline]4th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=BrownTown;44725258]I have strong feelings that we'll annex Canada by 2020. It's bound to happen, you guys have a tiny army and most of your population is right next to our border.[/QUOTE] Canada is too valuable as an ally. Without us, the Russians would destroy America.
Not until 2077.
[QUOTE=BrownTown;44725258]I have strong feelings that we'll annex Canada by 2020. It's bound to happen, you guys have a tiny army and most of your population is right next to our border.[/QUOTE] I think as the world moves toward globalization we will see countries sharing borders beginning to merge until it becomes countries per continents. The only impeding factor I see to that is that the Canadian population would flip dicks being governed by the current U.S. system of government. We've all got a lot of growing up to do if we're ever to get to that point.
It's hard to imagine a full scale war between nations akin to World War 1 or 2. With the globilastion and international trade of ressources and informations, it would rather be difficult and pretty complicated. Although I don't know how a massive War in our age would look like, perhaps somethings similiar to the Cold War or maybe some sorts of cyberwar, which sounds rather ridiculous to be honest.
[QUOTE=junker154;44727310]It's hard to imagine a full scale war between nations akin to World War 1 or 2. With the globilastion and international trade of ressources and informations, it would rather be difficult and pretty complicated. Although I don't know how a massive War in our age would look like, perhaps somethings similiar to the Cold War or maybe some sorts of cyberwar, which sounds rather ridiculous to be honest.[/QUOTE] It's easy to imagine when all that globalization and interconnected commerce is only solidified within trade blocks like the EU vs. Russia's CIS [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Regional_Organizations_Map.png[/img] Not saying it'll happen or is likely, but if another world war would to happen, I would bet money on it being along the lines of that map.
I'd rather not. Because I know for a fact that if there was one in my lifetime, I'd probably have to fight in it.
Yes but not in the conventional sense. If there is a WW3 it won't be fought like any war in history, battles will be fought not with Tanks and planes but with Technology and Computers, the war will be won by the side that best destroys the others communication mechanisms and infrastructure and therefore their ability to wage war and sapping their will to fight. Wars of the future will include very little in the way of battlefield casualties and will almost entirely consist of attacks on a country's population.
[QUOTE=junker154;44727310] Although I don't know how a massive War in our age would look like[/QUOTE] It would look like a mighty flash followed by numerous mushroom clouds.
And once again, Poland will be wiped off the map, just to return again as the badass it is and was. Ohhh the lovely history, it likes to repeat.
I'd hope not. The next great war will involve annihilating most of the Earth's population. It might be good in the sense that it will free up more resources but there would be more chaos until there will be stability again and I'm quite happy with the stability we have so far.
I think if there is a World War III, it will be incredibly short. Even without nuclear weapons, our destructive capacity is so great, that all the resources necessary to maintaining a military force would be destroyed. It is my understanding that during the first Gulf War, America ran the risk of depleting it's missiles on puny, crappy Iraq. Imagine how fast America would run out of missiles if it went to war with Russia or China? And then when we run out, how will we make more? China just dumped a bomb on either the missile factory or the power grid. And then we can't even ship the missiles anywhere because a Chinese sub launched a missile on either our fuel supply or sunk the cargo ship. Of course, this is vice versa as well. China and Russia's ability to produce supplies and project them would be significantly hindered. This is why I think the future of warfare will be small, regional conflicts. These kinds of things might cause stocks to go down or the price of oil to rise, but generally don't affect international trade or industrial capacity.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44728614]It's easy to imagine when all that globalization and interconnected commerce is only solidified within trade blocks like the EU vs. Russia's CIS [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Regional_Organizations_Map.png[/img] Not saying it'll happen or is likely, but if another world war would to happen, I would bet money on it being along the lines of that map.[/QUOTE]Commonwealth of Independent States Confederacy of Independent Systems it's all clear, the US is building a clone army
[QUOTE=Virtanen;44729407]I'd rather not. Because I know for a fact that if there was one in my lifetime, I'd probably have to fight in it.[/QUOTE] Not even a sliver of a chance. The existing military would be the only participants, for the short while that they're still viable as strike mediums before the [I]real[/I] war starts. Then it'll escalate into shock-and-awe strike operations with high yield conventional weaponry in an attempt to neutralize one another's primary military capabilities, all the while having everybody with ICBM capabilities arming them to full readiness. As soon as any [I]real[/I] damage is done, a ceasefire will most likely take place, with everybody posing with their nuclear armaments, and that too will escalate to a point where even a [I]twitch[/I] could set off the shit-storm. That's the point at which we will all somehow realize that this would quite literally be the biggest mistake in human history, and begin the downplay until we're back to a mutual agreement of peace... Or every ICBM from the west coast of North America to the east coast of Russia will be on a ballistic trajectory for every major city and military installation on the face of the planet. I imagine the timescale for all of this would be from a few days to two weeks. I only give that upper estimate because the initial conflicts might start out relatively slowly.
Of course. It's human nature. Our history is riddled with war.
President Obama is pulling out American troops, but that doesn't mean the Middle East conflict is over with. The terrorist forces (al-Qaeda and the Taliban) have already started re-building. Al Qaeda has already moved half of their militants from the Pakistan border into Afghanistan. They are re-building a military stronger and bigger than ever before. I can almost assure you they will harm America some how, and guess what that means, we will be back there again. The Pakistani president has told President Obama that the second America withdraws, Afghanistan will return to the same country it was before the invasion. Only worse. As for Russia and China, my predictions are a Soviet Union comeback and I don't know what is going on with China. All we can do is pray for this not to happen. Aside from all of that, personally, i'm scared. Since I am joining the American Armed Forces after high school, I personally am scared for my future. But it doesn't matter, i'm not joining to be scared, i'm joining to serve my country.
There a many ways that very quickly developing fractures can, in mere months, cause massive political divisions through the world that could lead to rash decisions and war that escalates. Take, for instance, what is in Ukraine. This situation developed very quickly and is closer to putting American and Russian troops against each other now than at any point during the Cold War. Let's, for instance, say that China takes military action against Japan over control of oil-rich islands in their disputed waters. The United States is bound to defend Japan by agreement and alliance, and as such you have the foundation for a series of alliances of opposition to each other. North Korea invades South Korea, Russia takes military actions around Eastern Europe, and you have the basis for a global war. Likely? Not at all, and so long as we continue to globalize, we will continue to disincentive war. But war will still happen and situations will develop.
[QUOTE=Magman77;44730998]Not even a sliver of a chance. The existing military would be the only participants, for the short while that they're still viable as strike mediums before the [I]real[/I] war starts. Then it'll escalate into shock-and-awe strike operations with high yield conventional weaponry in an attempt to neutralize one another's primary military capabilities, all the while having everybody with ICBM capabilities arming them to full readiness. As soon as any [I]real[/I] damage is done, a ceasefire will most likely take place, with everybody posing with their nuclear armaments, and that too will escalate to a point where even a [I]twitch[/I] could set off the shit-storm. That's the point at which we will all somehow realize that this would quite literally be the biggest mistake in human history, and begin the downplay until we're back to a mutual agreement of peace... Or every ICBM from the west coast of North America to the east coast of Russia will be on a ballistic trajectory for every major city and military installation on the face of the planet. I imagine the timescale for all of this would be from a few days to two weeks. I only give that upper estimate because the initial conflicts might start out relatively slowly.[/QUOTE] We don't have a standing professional military, we only have the national reserves, which I, along with most of the adult male population of Finland, was conscripted into.
Finland would be a minor player at best, and my point still stands. Those not trained to operate high yield strike equipment would not have a place in this conflict. I find it more likely that the Finnish population would be put into shelters.
I bet it wont happen, maybe after 10 years, probably more, but who knows? As long as there is no war then I don't care. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44728614] [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Regional_Organizations_Map.png[/t] Not saying it'll happen or is likely, but if another world war would to happen, I would bet money on it being along the lines of that map.[/QUOTE] Don't do this, you will get disappointed when it might happen, I'm sure that you would lose money as the war would be only between EU and Russia.
2014 is a good start date. Hopefully we don't see any Austrians getting killed.
[QUOTE=Dawcio510;44736404]I bet it wont happen, maybe after 10 years, probably more, but who knows? As long as there is no war then I don't care. Don't do this, you will get disappointed when it might happen, I'm sure that you would lose money as the war would be only between EU and Russia.[/QUOTE] The US is too much invested into Europe with NATO to not be a part of a EU vs Russia confrontation.
Great is an understatement.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44737390]The US is too much invested into Europe with NATO to not be a part of a EU vs Russia confrontation.[/QUOTE] Hey, if Putin knows that, then he also knows he would get fucked up by both EU and Murica Army, so declaring a war would be bad idea aswell.
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