• Steam for Linux becomes open beta, Stallman eats more toe jam in protest
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Source: [url]http://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1747660173332716773[/url] [quote]An Early Holiday Gift! posted by Frank @ 04:13PM on December 19, 2012 The Steam for Linux beta program is now open to the public! In order to participate in the beta, you must download the latest Steam Linux client (found here) or upgrade your existing Steam for Linux client to the latest version. In addition, we will now track Steam for Linux client bugs using GitHub. This provides a better interface for tracking bugs than the forums used in the closed beta. The Steam for Linux repository (currently empty) is public, allowing anyone with a free GitHub account to create a new issue and edit or track it and search the existing bug database. The repository contains a readme file (README.md) detailing how to create a new issue (it describes the same format used in the closed beta). The team will continue working through existing issues in the forum but it is strongly recommended that any new issues be entered using GitHub's issue tracking interface. The sub forums will remain open so that people can join/continue existing discussions about the Steam for Linux client. And last but not least, we now have a steam installer package repository. There is a mailing list for announcing updates to the steam installer package. To subscribe, use the public mailman page located here: [url]https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/steamrepo[/url]. Here's the change list for this release: The Steam for Linux client closed beta transitioned to an open beta. Linux - Fixed excessive CPU usage by the Steam client when running Team Fortress 2 Linux - Fixed overlay crash when starting Cubemen Big Picture - Improved back navigation behavior throughout user interface Big Picture - Added discount timers and other user interface to store[/quote] link to GitHub tracker: [url]https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues[/url]
But Stallman's not even against this...
[QUOTE=Jookia;38898410]But Stallman's not even against this...[/QUOTE] Openly, no.
the fact that steam is even being considered for linux is great in its own right, with valve opening its arms to the open-source operating system market
can't stop cumming
guys the stallman bit was meant to be a joke i thought the "toe jam" would have given that away
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;38898414]Openly, no.[/QUOTE] You think he's hiding a hate for Steam, because...?
Oh my god finally now I won't have to use the URL loophole anymore.
I'm not ready for this at all. Because if they bring corporate attention to Linux, it won't be long till they try to monitize it which will make every linux nerd extremely pissy because their software is actually getting standardized and better. Linux is great for weird computers or being put on specialized computers meant to do specific things. But for general computers? It fails on every front to have any sort of standardization what so ever.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;38898465]the fact that steam is even being considered for linux is great in its own right, with valve opening its arms to the open-source operating system market[/QUOTE] this was funnier than it should have been "valve opening its arms to the open-source operating system market", Valve (with their Steam service) are completely opposed to open-source software and user freedom in software.
[QUOTE=Swilly;38898992]I'm not ready for this at all. Because if they bring corporate attention to Linux, it won't be long till they try to monitize it which will make every linux nerd extremely pissy because their software is actually getting standardized and better. Linux is great for weird computers or being put on specialized computers meant to do specific things. But for general computers? It fails on every front to have any sort of standardization what so ever.[/QUOTE] there's like a million non corporate distros as it is, what will a few corporate ones do?
[QUOTE=Swilly;38898992]I'm not ready for this at all. Because if they bring corporate attention to Linux, it won't be long till they try to monitize it which will make every linux nerd extremely pissy because their software is actually getting standardized and better. Linux is great for weird computers or being put on specialized computers meant to do specific things. But for general computers? It fails on every front to have any sort of standardization what so ever.[/QUOTE] What are you on about? Linux has a ton of standardization (perhaps more than Windows) and corporate support. Your post reeks of stereotyping and ignorance.
[QUOTE=Swilly;38898992]It fails on every front to have any sort of standardization what so ever.[/QUOTE] duuuuuhh wat is posix??????
[QUOTE=Jookia;38899240]What are you on about? Linux has a ton of standardization (perhaps more than Windows) and corporate support. Your post reeks of stereotyping and ignorance.[/QUOTE] No it doesn't. .Deb, .RPM and other file formats wave in front of the face of what you just posted. There is an actual Standardization Guide. No one follows it. [editline]19th December 2012[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh-cnaJoGCw[/media]
With each passing day I'm tempted to partition my HDD and have a linux distribution as my main OS.
[QUOTE=Swilly;38899307]No it doesn't. .Deb, .RPM and other file formats wave in front of the face of what you just posted. There is an actual Standardization Guide. No one follows it. [editline]19th December 2012[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh-cnaJoGCw[/media][/QUOTE] I think the problems are more to do with the Distros rather than Linux itself. Even though Ubuntu is the most popular one, I think it's one of the most "average" quality ones. I've had quite a few problems with it, such as Unity being slow at times (plus it's just in general really weird, why would you put a dock at the side of the screen and not the bottom when most people are on widescreen monitors? It would make sense if the monitor was portrait). There was also a problem with the inbuilt feature of creating a hotspot. It worked MOST of the time, but I couldn't customize the security type, and for some reason my PS3 wouldn't connect to it (I assume it was something to do with the hotspot settings but I couldn't change them). I also wanted to connect to a Windows network folder, but the screen for connecting had about 10 options as opposed to the 3 options you get in Windows which is server name or ip, username and password. Some things that I've wanted to do which is pretty easy on Windows requires you to having step back into the days of DOS, requiring you to use the terminal. As much as the terminal seems like something you should get used to if you're going to use Linux, why not just limit critical system stuff to it like in Windows or OSX. I still prefer Linux to Windows thanks to the utter speed and stability (I only once had a driver issue with the wireless usb adapter I had, I also acknowledge that there are serious issues with AMD drivers but I have a Nvidia card). On my netbook, Windows can sometimes be unbearably slow to use, but Linux makes the computer feel as fast as it should be; not necessarily fast but it feels responsive and handles multitasking well. I hope Steam for Linux catches on as if big companies see lots of sales from Linux users then it's possible that in the near future we'll have proper games on Linux
[QUOTE=Swilly;38899307]No it doesn't. .Deb, .RPM and other file formats wave in front of the face of what you just posted.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=sixtyten;38899289]duuuuuhh wat is posix??????[/QUOTE] Both of these are perfectly right. We have POSIX, which means pretty much anything built for (say) Fedora will work in Ubuntu, Gentoo, Mint, openSUSE, whatever, as long as the libs are there. But at the same time, every distro has its own package manager with it's own package type. Not sure how that happened. (though in some cases another distro might have dpkg for those deb files, so we're kinda there)
[QUOTE=djjkxbox360;38899934]I think the problems are more to do with the Distros rather than Linux itself. Even though Ubuntu is the most popular one, I think it's one of the most "average" quality ones. I've had quite a few problems with it, such as Unity being slow at times (plus it's just in general really weird, why would you put a dock at the side of the screen and not the bottom when most people are on widescreen monitors? It would make sense if the monitor was portrait). There was also a problem with the inbuilt feature of creating a hotspot. It worked MOST of the time, but I couldn't customize the security type, and for some reason my PS3 wouldn't connect to it (I assume it was something to do with the hotspot settings but I couldn't change them). I also wanted to connect to a Windows network folder, but the screen for connecting had about 10 options as opposed to the 3 options you get in Windows which is server name or ip, username and password. Some things that I've wanted to do which is pretty easy on Windows requires you to having step back into the days of DOS, requiring you to use the terminal. As much as the terminal seems like something you should get used to if you're going to use Linux, why not just limit critical system stuff to it like in Windows or OSX. I still prefer Linux to Windows thanks to the utter speed and stability (I only once had a driver issue with the wireless usb adapter I had, I also acknowledge that there are serious issues with AMD drivers but I have a Nvidia card). On my netbook, Windows can sometimes be unbearably slow to use, but Linux makes the computer feel as fast as it should be; not necessarily fast but it feels responsive and handles multitasking well. I hope Steam for Linux catches on as if big companies see lots of sales from Linux users then it's possible that in the near future we'll have proper games on Linux[/QUOTE] I love linux, but there are some serious hurdles for the masses to adopt it as a lot of Linux users want to happen. Just because Steam is moving to Linux doesn't mean that the software will be able to keep up. Linux has a lot of grunt work issues that closed source operating systems don't.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;38899102]this was funnier than it should have been "valve opening its arms to the open-source operating system market", Valve (with their Steam service) are completely opposed to open-source software and user freedom in software.[/QUOTE] Nobody said anything about the software, steam would obviously be impossible if it was all open source and DRM free but it's nice that they're releasing a client that you can use without buying an OS, and that you can probably build an entire OS around (basically just remove everything it doesn't need) to minimize clutter and maximize performance
[QUOTE=Swilly;38899307]No it doesn't. .Deb, .RPM and other file formats wave in front of the face of what you just posted.[/QUOTE] So package managers mean lack of standardization? What. There's different package types for different package managers, which serve different purposes. Gentoo has its own thing, Fedora has its own thing, Debian has its own thing. If they all used the same thing it'd break when an unknowing user tries to use a package designed for X on Y. How about the fact that there's a filesystem standard that Windows doesn't have?
[QUOTE=latin_geek;38900193]Nobody said anything about the software, steam would obviously be impossible if it was all open source and DRM free but it's nice that they're releasing a client that you can [B]*CONSOLES*[/B][/QUOTE] Sorry, but I'm planting my foot down on this. [editline]19th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Jookia;38900217]So package managers mean lack of standardization? What. There's different package types for different package managers, which serve different purposes. Gentoo has its own thing, Fedora has its own thing, Debian has its own thing. If they all used the same thing it'd break when an unknowing user tries to use a package designed for X on Y. How about the fact that there's a filesystem standard that Windows doesn't have?[/QUOTE] Did you miss the video?
[QUOTE=Swilly;38900220]Did you miss the video?[/QUOTE] It's irrelevant. Your point that I take issue with is that 'It fails on [B]every[/B] front to have any sort of standardization what so ever.' which is an outright lie.
[QUOTE=Jookia;38900279]It's irrelevant. Your point that I take issue with is that 'It fails on [B]every[/B] front to have any sort of standardization what so ever.' which is an outright lie.[/QUOTE] But it does. That's what makes it a customization power house. Its a failure and winning feature of most of the linux distributions. The problem is that they haven't actually worked on making the winning side the strongest.
[QUOTE=Swilly;38900318]But it does. That's what makes it a customization power house. Its a failure and winning feature of most of the linux distributions. The problem is that they haven't actually worked on making the winning side the strongest.[/QUOTE] Filesystem standards. Window manager standards. XDG Freedesktop standards.
[QUOTE=Jookia;38900369]Filesystem standards. Window manager standards. XDG Freedesktop standards.[/QUOTE] Those are BASIC standards.
[QUOTE=Swilly;38900381]Those are BASIC standards.[/QUOTE] Agreed, but having standards invalidates your statement.
[QUOTE=Jookia;38900444]Agreed, but having standards invalidates your statement.[/QUOTE] I didn't mean standards that SHOULD be standards. I mean standards that show that while the different distros specialize to different people, switching over won't kill you in the process. That's not the truth and the actual fact is for a new user switching from something like Mint to Wheezy will have shit loads of issues from all the changes. Then there is Gentoo.
I don't hate Linux, I hate the development hell that is Linux. Its the special kind of hell where its easy to get over it, until you try to pass on your project, TO THE NEXT DAMN DISTRO THAT IS SIMILAR.
[QUOTE=Swilly;38900722]I didn't mean standards that SHOULD be standards. I mean standards that show that while the different distros specialize to different people, switching over won't kill you in the process. That's not the truth and the actual fact is for a new user switching from something like Mint to Wheezy will have shit loads of issues from all the changes. Then there is Gentoo.[/QUOTE] I've never experienced issues moving from one distro to another, so I can't see where you're coming from.
[QUOTE=Jookia;38900791]I've never experienced issues moving from one distro to another, so I can't see where you're coming from.[/QUOTE] I've been on Ubuntu, most the Debian distros, Fedora, Open Suse. I played with all of them when I finally decided to stick with Debian Wheezy. That was a 5 year venture and I watched as all the distros changed almost overnight to something new when the 2011 releases came out. And then others stayed behind to be rebellious, which confused me more. There is not a consistent theme or methodology. The internet is based on decentralization AND IT HAS STANDARDs. Why can't one of the best kernels have people working together under similar standards to welcome in new people. At this moment I cannot suggest letting people like my Parents use linux. They don't do heavy computing they do office work and it should be fine but with the constant changes and instability that comes with them, I just can't recommend it which kills me.
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