• Trump administration announces end of DACA
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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/09/05/trump-administration-announces-end-of-immigration-protection-program-for-dreamers/[/url] [quote]The Trump administration announced Tuesday it would begin to unwind an Obama-era program that allows younger undocumented immigrants to live in the country without fear of deportation, calling the program unconstitutional but offering a partial delay to give Congress a chance to address the issue. The decision, after weeks of intense deliberation between President Trump and his top advisers, represents a blow to hundreds of thousands of immigrants known as “dreamers” who have lived in the country illegally since they were children. But it also allows the White House to shift some of the pressure and burden of determining their future onto Congress, setting up a public fight over their legal status that is likely to be waged for months. In announcing the decision at the Justice Department, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said that former president Barack Obama, who started the program in 2012 through executive action, “sought to achieve specifically what the legislative branch refused to do.” He called it an “open-ended circumvention of immigration law through unconstitutional authority by the executive branch,” and said the program was unlikely to withstand court scrutiny. Trump issued a statement saying Obama made "an end-run around Congress" that violated "the core tenets that sustain our Republic." He added that there can be "no path to principled immigration reform if the executive branch is able to rewrite or nullify federal laws at will." The Department of Homeland Security said it would no longer accept new applications for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, which has provided renewable, two-year work permits to nearly 800,000 dreamers. The agency said those enrolled in DACA will be able to continue working until their permits expire; those whose permits expire by March 5, 2018 will be permitted to apply for two-year renewals as long as they do so by Oct. 5.[/quote]
fuckin disgraceful [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Low Effort / Shitpost" - Kiwi))[/highlight]
I'm fine with the idea of the president ending something through presidential means that was instigated by the previous prez through presidential means. However, if he wants to argue that there was no presidential authority to instigate DACA in the first place, then why were there zero legal challenges the entire time it was in place, going on years now?
Trump showed real courage in sending out Jeff Sessions to announce his decision
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52650337]Trump showed real courage in sending out Jeff Sessions to announce his decision[/QUOTE] You really think Trump is afraid of speaking about his mind or decisions? It was probably because Trump didn't have the time to do it himself and as Attorney General, it's sorta under Session's purview to do it.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52650342]You really think Trump is afraid of speaking about his mind or decisions? It was probably because Trump didn't have the time to do it himself and as Attorney General, it's sorta under Session's purview to do it.[/QUOTE] [media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/905038986883850240[/media] Nah he's totally making it everyone else's problem despite [B]his promise on the campaign trail to reverse it on day 1 of his Presidency[/B]. A majority of Americans including a significant minority of Republicans support DACA, business leaders and Congress (even Ryan and McConnell!) are telling him not to do it, it's bad for the economy and deporting everyone will cost billions, but because he promised he'd do it and state attorney generals are threatening to file a lawsuit he probably won't win, [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/04/us/president-trump-daca-dreamers.html"]he's trying to wriggle out of the mess his big mouth created[/URL] while pandering to his anti-immigrant voter base. He made the promise, he announced on Twitter that he was going to do it, and then when it came time to actually deliver the bad news on the record the fucking coward sent Jeff "I've never met an anti-immigration measure I didn't like" Sessions out instead while tweeting that he's going to make it Congress' problem and if they can't figure out a solution in six months (while they have every other more important legislative priority still yet to be achieved) he's going to pin it on them. He didn't [I]have[/I] to pull the plug; he could've let the AGs sue and start pressing Congress to craft a solution while the lawsuit takes [I]years[/I] to reach a conclusion. The Great Dealmaker turned tail and ran at the first sign of confrontation that could be personally difficult for him, throwing hundreds of thousands of young adults who rightfully should be American citizens under the bus. This is a crisis entirely of Donald's making and he's doing everything he can to evade blame just like he always tries to escape culpability. To quote [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/09/05/dont-be-fooled-by-the-scam-that-trump-will-pull-today-on-daca/"]a WaPo opinion piece[/URL] which phrases and cites itself better than I can, [QUOTE]Politico [URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/05/bannon-daca-trump-congress-242312"]reports that senior adviser Stephen Miller and the now-departed Stephen K. Bannon are the ones pushing Trump hardest[/URL] to end DACA. But note how they’re doing this: [QUOTE]Both Sessions and Miller … have worked in tandem to persuade the president to upend DACA, framing the issue in terms he can relate to: victory versus defeat. They told Trump the administration was likely to lose if it defended DACA in court — and they suggested he’d look foolish if he did so, according to people familiar with the internal debate.[/QUOTE] [B]So the choice is between upending the lives of 800,000 people who were brought here through no fault of their own and just want to work and study hard, and looking like a Big Loser? Easy call![/B][/QUOTE]
FUCK TRUMP. Impeach him now. IMPEACH IMPEACH [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
How can one person be so shitty?
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;52650458]How can one person be so shitty?[/QUOTE] Malignant narcissist disorder, an inability to accept criticism as valid, a constant echo chamber that reinforces every racist thought he holds, and a die-hard following that would pay Trump for the opportunity to blow him. The list goes on but I thought I'd stop there. edit: I'll delete this post instantly if this counts as a "LOL CUCK" joke/meme Double edit: It probably does, so hue switched it
[quote]calling the program unconstitutional[/quote] Clearly deportation is much more in line with pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, I guess.
This is going to be a pr nightmare when it goes into effect, lmao. Good luck justifying the hundreds of stories of regular ass people getting raided for deportation to the general public I guess.
[QUOTE=froztshock;52650567]This is going to be a pr nightmare when it goes into effect, lmao. Good luck justifying the hundreds of stories of regular ass people getting raided for deportation to the general public I guess.[/QUOTE] This is going to be some "Children of Men" Levels of chaos...
[QUOTE=froztshock;52650567]This is going to be a pr nightmare when it goes into effect, lmao. Good luck justifying the hundreds of stories of regular ass people getting raided for deportation to the general public I guess.[/QUOTE] They're letting current DACA stay and renew. No ones getting deported
[QUOTE=froztshock;52650567]This is going to be a pr nightmare when it goes into effect, lmao. Good luck justifying the hundreds of stories of regular ass people getting raided for deportation to the general public I guess.[/QUOTE] Whether folks face deportation is up to DHS and ICE after this. I think the administration is banking on Congress attempting to put a legislative equivalent in place, hence the six month delay.
Donald Trump just became a one-term president. [QUOTE=-nesto-;52650584]They're letting current DACA stay and renew. No ones getting deported[/QUOTE] IF congress manages to preserve their status, and that's a big fucking if. [quote=CNN]"It is my hope that the House and Senate, with the president's leadership, will be able to find consensus on a permanent legislative solution that includes ensuring that those who have done nothing wrong can still contribute as a valued part of this great country," Ryan said.[/quote]
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52650584]They're letting current DACA stay and renew. No ones getting deported[/QUOTE] Well, you're half right but ignoring important facts. Ordinarily, DACA expires after two years but can be renewed. Everyone currently on DACA remains on DACA until their two-year term expires. No new DACA applications are being accepted as of today. DACA recipients [I]whose terms expire in the next six months[/I] can renew for another two years. The rest of the program doesn't get such a courtesy unless Congress can assemble a solution before March. They'll run out of legal cover when their term expires, and more insidiously, the government knows where they live and has a fully-documented record of their illegal immigration status. Considering this Congress' performance, [I]and[/I] the fact that a March legislative deadline would run these efforts up against the preliminary phases of 2018 primary/election season, expecting the Republican-dominated Congress to deliver a soft-touch policy on DACA enrolees is massively optimistic. Like double complete rainbow optimistic. Republican incumbents have been unseated in primaries for appearing soft on immigration and that was [I]before[/I] we had a President who directly appealed to racist anti-immigrant sentiments on the campaign trail. DREAMers are required to continue to go to school (unless they've finished already) as part of the program and for many of them DACA is the primary reason they were even able to gain the opportunity to pursue higher education. The fact that DACA is getting the axe in six months and a Congress largely disinclined to give them the time of day is responsible for crafting a replacement means 800,000+ young adults with promising futures have just had those futures thrown into catastrophic doubt and uncertainty. nesto, do you really trust a Congress and a White House to treat dreamers with any sort of respect when we have seen: - repeated attempts at a muslim ban - a White House agency whose sole life purpose is to publish [I]crimes committed by illegal immigrants[/I] which [URL="https://www.democracynow.org/images/story/95/34995/full_hd/JewishList.jpg"]totally doesn't remind anyone of anything[/URL] - a President who unapologetically called Mexican immigrants rapists and who refuses to distance himself from his white-supremacist voters unless he's being made to read a speech someone else wrote - calls from Congress to halve legal immigration - unironic pressure from Steve Bannon, now back in control of the influential Breitbart, to prioritize white immigration - the constant return of attempts to build THE WAAAAALLLLLL despite it making no sense on any level There's a wrinkle, though, and it's going to provide the Trump Presidency another opportunity to prove whether or not it respects the rule of law. From a NYT opinion piece: [QUOTE]... most important, is what the government does with the information Dreamers gave it as part of their application — information that amounts to an admission of their having entered the country illegally, albeit without their knowledge, since they were children at the time. United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, which administers DACA, should delete all their information. Applicants gave that information with the assurance that it would not be shared with Immigration and Customs Enforcement or Customs and Border Enforcement, the agencies that otherwise would be charged with deporting them. [B]As the Citizenship and Immigration Services’ own guidance states, “information provided in this request is protected from disclosure to ICE or C.B.P.,” unless the applicant commits a crime or poses a national security threat.[/B] Dreamers divulged information to the government, expecting that their information would not be shared. The information includes not only potentially incriminating information like date of initial entry and length of stay in the United States, but also details like their names, addresses, school information and Social Security numbers — precisely what the government needs to locate and detain them quickly. As Zachary Price of the University of California Hastings College of the Law has argued, using such information would constitute entrapment.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52650666][media]https://twitter.com/tarapalmeri/status/905129863014735872[/media][/QUOTE] All hail the Cult President, King Donald I
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52650666][media]https://twitter.com/tarapalmeri/status/905129863014735872[/media][/QUOTE] This is what you get when your party refuses to do [I]anything at all[/I] for the American people for an entire 8 years. The appearance of someone who merely claims to be working for the American people is enough to garner the unwavering support of a huge amount of people who are tired of Congress being openly fucking useless.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52650584]They're letting current DACA stay and renew. No ones getting deported[/QUOTE] This is only true in the short term. Those under DACA will not be able to renew their protected status unless the Republican controlled congress makes specific provisions for them to do so (which is not going to happen). This means that, in two years, thousands of people who have spent almost their entire lives living in the US, attending US schools, and working in US businesses could find themselves the subject of a mass deportation movement, and be deported to countries they have no memory of ever even being in, because they "immigrated" as literal infants, without recourse.
[media]https://twitter.com/woodruffbets/status/905124493252800517[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/NoahCRothman/status/905126866767540224[/media]
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52650831][media]https://twitter.com/woodruffbets/status/905124493252800517[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/NoahCRothman/status/905126866767540224[/media][/QUOTE] Supreme Court challenges, here we come. This information was collected with the [B]express[/B] statement that it would not be shared with ICE or CBP. Trump has just created another bonfire he doesn't know how to put out.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52650584]They're letting current DACA stay and renew. No ones getting deported[/QUOTE] Seems more likely that Congress will either pass something hard edged or fail to pass anything at all, at which point most of these folks will be living under the ultimatum of "get out of the country in two years or else" to me.
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52650337]Trump showed real courage in sending out Jeff Sessions to announce his decision[/QUOTE] and by allowing no questions to be asked. when was the last time the guy even had a press conference anyway?
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52650845]Supreme Court challenges, here we come. This information was collected with the [B]express[/B] statement that it would not be shared with ICE or CBP. Trump has just created another bonfire he doesn't know how to put out.[/QUOTE] DREAMERS literally begged the Obama Administration to delete the database because they were afraid this would happen.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52650845]Supreme Court challenges, here we come. This information was collected with the [B]express[/B] statement that it would not be shared with ICE or CBP. Trump has just created another bonfire he doesn't know how to put out.[/QUOTE] The GOP's utter hypocrisy regarding big vs. small government and federal vs. state control will never cease to amaze me.
At this point if you are an ICE officer. Consider disobedience please, or else future children will look at you in history books the same way we looked at nazi concentration guards. I hope an huge march of immigrants just bust into the white house and literally kick his ass out. Congress is utterly useless more than ever.
Trump's entire legislative agenda appears to be kicking the can down the road.
Every argument I've heard against this is always "BUT OBAMA INSTATED IT WITHOUT THE RIGHT PERMISSIONS"
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52651053]DREAMERS literally begged the Obama Administration to delete the database because they were afraid this would happen.[/QUOTE] Some were warned by lawyers [I]not[/I] to apply because the government couldn't be trusted. And here we are. :downs: [QUOTE=Lollipoopdeck;52651109]Every argument I've heard against this is always "BUT OBAMA INSTATED IT WITHOUT THE RIGHT PERMISSIONS"[/QUOTE] I mean, as far as I understand it, Congress is charged with managing immigration matters; Obama's Executive Order would therefore be a case of overreach. But it was a [I]justified[/I] case of overreach as he was doing it because the obstructionist Congress he was saddled with [I]refused[/I] to. He did what needed to be done because Congress was derelict in their duty to address the problem. Trump is teeeeechnically doing the right-ish thing by making it a task Congress needs to solve, but he's done it in the most fucking retarded way possible to try and Viagra his approval ratings with his core voter base (and fuck the rest of the country, especially Dreamers). [editline]5th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;52651086]Trump's entire legislative agenda appears to be kicking the can down the road.[/QUOTE] But you don't understand, he makes the best deals! Can't point to any because that'd probably mean Russia, but he's the best! #MAGA1!!!!!
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