Like you need a timeline to figure this shit out. They have no shame in thinking that they have a cohesive and engaging story
Wow, having not played through the Modern Warfare games (played a bit of MW1) that is one of the lamest stories I've seen.
I also like how the connection between MW1 and MW2 is practically non-existent, they just introduce Makarov and say "OH YEA HE WAS LIKE THE LAST BAD GUY'S PROTEGE OR SOMETHING!" and the justification for Russia commencing a full scale invasion is unimaginably outlandish.
What's sad is there are lots of people that are going to say that this helped them alot with the story. I always thought they were quite bland and dull, just being "shooting shooting shooting OH GOD BUILDING FALLING shooting shooting shooting shooting shooting ON RAILS SHOOTING HOLY SHIT shooting shooting shooting HELICOPTER CRASH end of game."
I liked MW1 quite a lot, but three games of the same thing is just too much.
Russia ID's Joseph Allan's body at the scene, blames the US for the terrorist attack, then launches a full-scale invasion on the US?
What the fuck, man.
*Yawn*
[url]http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/10/28/modern-warfare-in-5-minutes[/url]
IGN's recap is 10 times better :-)
I had fun with the MW2 campaign WHEN i was playing it because the setpieces reminded me of all those movies I grew up watching (i.e. "The Rock" which was one of my favorites) and I'm not ashamed to admit it one bit. But yeah, actually reading the story and thinking about it...o boy lol
[QUOTE=lethalchicken;33101216]*Yawn*
[url]http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/10/28/modern-warfare-in-5-minutes[/url]
IGN's recap is 10 times better :-)[/QUOTE]
Except they kind of completely forgot the whole russia invading US for no reason part.
Everything after 1:06 stops making fucking sense.
I posted it back in the reveal trailer, and i'll post it now-
Makarov is an internationally known figure of menace, then, with a Russian military record. So when he confidently machineguns his way through the airport without even bothering to put on a mask, are we to believe that the Russian authorities weren’t able to identify him from security camera footage?
Instead, Russia blames a nobody CIA agent found dead at the scene who was killed by a point-blank pistol shot to the head. That doesn’t raise any red flags at all? The obvious conclusion is that the whole thing was an American plot, and that a full-scale invasion of the continental US is the appropriate response. The transition to the Takedown favela mission begets more confusion, such as: how did Shepherd tie the shell casings to Rojas? Meticulous analysis of the cutscene indicates that he actually re-created a 3D model of a shell casing from security camera footage, which was sufficiently hi-rez to make a match against a big bullet database. So the Russians, who had the actual shell casings to analyze, couldn’t figure that out? The security footage was crisp enough to recreate minute detail on a spent shell casing, but not of sufficient quality to identify Makarov’s face.
Conclusion: Makarov’s face is smaller than a bullet.
First event and it already lost all credibility.
Because you can totally take a bullet in the arm, lose your arm, and survive in the cold with your blood spurting out in every direction :downs:
[QUOTE=Glorbo;33101752]Everything after 1:06 stops making fucking sense.
I posted it back in the reveal trailer, and i'll post it now-
Makarov is an internationally known figure of menace, then, with a Russian military record. So when he confidently machineguns his way through the airport without even bothering to put on a mask, are we to believe that the Russian authorities weren’t able to identify him from security camera footage?
Instead, Russia blames a nobody CIA agent found dead at the scene who was killed by a point-blank pistol shot to the head. That doesn’t raise any red flags at all? The obvious conclusion is that the whole thing was an American plot, and that a full-scale invasion of the continental US is the appropriate response. The transition to the Takedown favela mission begets more confusion, such as: how did Shepherd tie the shell casings to Rojas? Meticulous analysis of the cutscene indicates that he actually re-created a 3D model of a shell casing from security camera footage, which was sufficiently hi-rez to make a match against a big bullet database. So the Russians, who had the actual shell casings to analyze, couldn’t figure that out? The security footage was crisp enough to recreate minute detail on a spent shell casing, but not of sufficient quality to identify Makarov’s face.
Conclusion: Makarov’s face is smaller than a bullet.[/QUOTE]
LOL at not being able to find Makarov's face in spite of being able to trace bullet shells
As far as full scale invasion goes, that's not too far fetched. Sure the EVIDENCE may be sketchy but if the people running a country want to go to war, who needs evidence? lol. I mean the USA did launch not one but TWO invasions to capture WMDs that didn't exist AND capture one guy who was in the "wrong country" for most of that time.
[QUOTE=lethalchicken;33102123]LOL at not being able to find Makarov's face in spite of being able to trace bullet shells
As far as full scale invasion goes, that's not too far fetched. Sure the EVIDENCE may be sketchy but if the people running a country want to go to war, who needs evidence? lol. I mean the USA did launch not one but TWO invasions to capture WMDs that didn't exist AND capture one guy who was in the "wrong country" for most of that time.[/QUOTE]
OK then, let’s consider the invasion itself. I’m pretty sure that mutually assured destruction is still a thing, so the best-case scenario for Russia is that America, with its dying breath, launches a world-ending salvo of nuclear warheads. Soooo… it’s a suicide mission, then?
Since Modern Warfare is especially fond of quotes, I dug this one up on the Wikipedia:
[i][b]To continue to deter in an era of strategic nuclear equivalence, it is necessary to have nuclear (as well as conventional) forces such that in considering aggression against our interests any adversary would recognize that no plausible outcome would represent a victory or any plausible definition of victory.[/b][/i]
– President Jimmy Carter in 1980, Presidential Directive 59, Nuclear Weapons Employment Policy
And don't even get me started on why and how the fuck Price got to the gulag in the first place, Or how easy it is to just get into a submarine and launch a nuke on your own (making it explode in outer space no fucking less), or... You know what? I'll get fucking started.
- During the mission planning for Cliffhanger, why did they pick an extraction point on the far side of a massive canyon? Were they planning that raucous snowmobile getaway the whole time? What if they hadn’t been able to find a vehicle capable of jumping the gorge?
- If Zakhaev had become a martyred “hero of the people” and the Russian public was embracing his ultranationalist movement, why didn’t Makarov have more political clout? Why did he have to ally himself with a shady US general and mass murder people who probably supported his cause?
- Isn’t anyone in the US government (like the SecDef?) demanding to know why a “CIA agent” participated in the murder of Russian civilians? Or is it easier to hand out blank checks than ask tough questions?
- How did those trenches around DC get dug so quickly (and under heavy fire no less?)
- Where did Price’s trademark hat suddenly appear from? Did Soap have it lovingly tucked away somewhere?
- Who were the dead HVI and soldier with the unusual tats? That whole subplot was dropped as quickly as it came up.
- The Soaphawk. ‘Nuff said.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33102023]First event and it already lost all credibility.
Because you can totally take a bullet in the arm, lose your arm, and survive in the cold with your blood spurting out in every direction :downs:[/QUOTE]
Well people have survived getting limbs blown off in warm areas, where the blood won't congeal, so its not that unrealistic at all. He also had a ton of vehicles and people around him so they could have rushed him off very quickly. The arm getting blown off is also possible since they were using a .50 sniper in the segment.
But a lot of that other stuff yeah....
Yeah I totally believe the whole dismemberment with a .50 sniper part, it's quite possible, but if you get your entire arm chopped off by a high velocity bullet in the middle of Prypiat the chances of you getting out of there are incredibly low. It's incredibly painful, you lose and your blood, there's not hospital around, and you would need a freaking flamethrower to cauterize and entire arm wound.
Russia quickly identifies Allen's body and blames the US for the terrorist attack. Russia reacts with force. Launching a full-scale invasion on the Unites States.
Give me a fucking break...
How do they know who he is?
Were there no security cameras on the airport? Simply not speaking russian doesn't make your face disappear Macarov...
I didn't know that 1 guy can start WW3.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;33102382]Russia quickly identifies Allen's body and blames the US for the terrorist attack. Russia reacts with force. Launching a full-scale invasion on the Unites States.
Give me a fucking break...
How do they know who he is?
Were there no security cameras on the airport? Simply not speaking russian doesn't make your face disappear Macarov...
I didn't know that 1 guy can start WW3.[/QUOTE]
Remember that it was all planed by an aging army man who somewhat managed to get past the American Intelligence and convinced thousands of highly trained soldiers to launch world war three with him without. ever. fucking. raising. suspicion.
So according to call of duty, WW3 started like this:
>5 guys go to an airport,unmasked
>Kill everyone without ever speaking a single word in russian,except for english with a thick russian accent
>Kill the teammate who is an american
>Whoever identified the body said "GUYS! This man is an american! WE MUST DISTROY USA ONCE ANF OR ALL!"
Kinda silly,don't you think?
The plot is like a rollercoaster, only the rollercoaster is a kiddy coaster and not actually intense, and going backwards at random, breaking down randomly, and generally not making sense period.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;33102382]
I didn't know that 1 guy can start WW3.[/QUOTE]
You only need one person to light the spark and trigger the events to cause a world war, Gavrilo Princip was pretty much the one that spark that triggerd the Great War, looking at history.
Its pretty vague though, Looking over what happend in MW2, So im guessing its not just a "That man is american, we must wipe them out!", Other events must have happend aswell as the Airport Massacre but the writers didnt bother putting anything in.
[QUOTE=Highwind017;33103240]You only need one person to light the spark and trigger the events to cause a world war, Gavrilo Princip was pretty much the one that spark that triggerd the Great War, looking at history.
Its pretty vague though, Looking over what happend in MW2, So im guessing its not just a "That man is american, we must wipe them out!", Other events must have happend aswell as the Airport Massacre but the writers didnt bother putting anything in.[/QUOTE]
Except there were no tensions in the first place before modern warfare's WW3.
[QUOTE=Glorbo;33102183]OK then, let’s consider the invasion itself. I’m pretty sure that mutually assured destruction is still a thing, so the best-case scenario for Russia is that America, with its dying breath, launches a world-ending salvo of nuclear warheads. Soooo… it’s a suicide mission, then?[/QUOTE]
CoD takes place in this weird universe where MAD doesn't actually exist. See also: Bad Company, Bad Company 2, where American and Russian forces are fighting a conventional land war across Europe. Same idea, only with less Europe and more United States.
[QUOTE] And don't even get me started on why and how the fuck Price got to the gulag in the first place [/QUOTE]
At the end of CoD4 you saw him being resusicated by Russian forces, which is a clue that he was sent to the Gulag after the Ultranationalists took control of Russia. Why didn't Soap get sent there? Anyones guess.
[QUOTE]Or how easy it is to just get into a submarine and launch a nuke on your own (making it explode in outer space no fucking less)[/QUOTE]
I'll give you this one.
[QUOTE]- During the mission planning for Cliffhanger, why did they pick an extraction point on the far side of a massive canyon? Were they planning that raucous snowmobile getaway the whole time? What if they hadn’t been able to find a vehicle capable of jumping the gorge?[/QUOTE]
Their extraction plan only went to shit because they were discovered, and the new plan was only laid out when they were on the snow mobiles, though I guess having your commander tell you that you have to jump a gorge in a snowmobile to escape is just as illogical
[QUOTE]- If Zakhaev had become a martyred “hero of the people” and the Russian public was embracing his ultranationalist movement, why didn’t Makarov have more political clout? Why did he have to ally himself with a shady US general and mass murder people who probably supported his cause?[/QUOTE]
Makarov was Zakhaev's mad dog on a leash. He didn't really support the Ultranationalist movement as Zakhaev and the other Ultra leaders did, but instead preffered cruel terrorism and violence.
That being said, he obviously had Ultranationalist support when Russians in official gear came out the wazoo at this summer home. Maybe he had a man on the inside redirecting resources to him?
[QUOTE] - Isn’t anyone in the US government (like the SecDef?) demanding to know why a “CIA agent” participated in the murder of Russian civilians? Or is it easier to hand out blank checks than ask tough questions?[/QUOTE]
Good point
[QUOTE] - How did those trenches around DC get dug so quickly (and under heavy fire no less?)[/QUOTE]
Kinda nitpicky but I don't really have an answer all the same.
[QUOTE] - Where did Price’s trademark hat suddenly appear from? Did Soap have it lovingly tucked away somewhere?[/QUOTE]
It's not like ordering up a boonie hat is hard when you are part of an elite subdivision of the US military
[QUOTE] - Who were the dead HVI and soldier with the unusual tats? That whole subplot was dropped as quickly as it came up.[/QUOTE]
HVI had info on the Sheperd/Makarov deal, soldier with the tatoos was Sheperds task force guy, the same ones you fight at the end. I don't see how that was hard to see; they have the exact same model.
[editline]3rd November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;33102382]
I didn't know that 1 guy can start WW3.[/QUOTE]
World War 1 was started because one guy killed a European leader no one particularly liked nor cared about. In the end millions of lives were lost and the map was redrawn. And this is history. You are going to fault a game that uses a hollywood script for doing the same?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;33103522]HVI had info on the Sheperd/Makarov deal, soldier with the tatoos was Sheperds task force guy, the same ones you fight at the end. I don't see how that was hard to see; they have the exact same model.[/QUOTE]
Uh, you're mixing something up here. The guy with the tats in that room was wearing a full russian uniform (or at least, what the other "russians" were wearing), only without a mask. And he had tattoos of hammer and sickle and stuff like that, he actually seemed to be one of the guys who was in No Russian.
Maybe I am, been awhile since I played.
Honestly I didn't remember the plot that much because I just don't care enough to. The shootan was the reward while the story was filler for me.
I came in here expecting a Duty Calls video.
Remember the "No Russian" mission in MW2. Why didn't you just kill him and his henchmen dudes?
I mean if you can get THAT close to the guy why don't you just fuck him up.
Watching the comments before the video I couldn't really remember what the whole story from beginning to end was. I actually loved playing singleplayer cause it was so cinematic and I didn't really follow the story when I played anyway I just thought the game was really fun, but they really made the mistake of making a timeline. Just seems stupid!
Why is this a video? Would have worked better as a web page or something
In No Russian, some of your 'teammates' are scripted to die. Including the guy with, gee I dunno, the fucking [i]hammer and sickle tattooed into his neck?[/i] Despite this and Glorbo's note about security cameras, these factors are completely ignored and a single America CIA agent is somehow identified (not even a handwave of 'America denies association with this rogue agent' or anything like that).
Shepard might've sent the Ultranationalists information they needed to start the war, and there's lots of implications that the Ultranationalists were basically just looking for an excuse ever since Zakhaev died at the hands of 'three British SAS and one US Marine'... But I really don't care how alternate-universe Modern Warfare is - unless they literally ignored the blatantly-russian corpses of the terrorists that were probably far more likely to be identified specifically so they could focus on that single CIA agent (not to mention that, being an airport, there's no way every single citizen there was Russian only), there's just no way such a connection could easily be made and solely pinned.
Doesn't help that the only attempts at explaining any backstory are either in-game or in a single set of comic books that only detail Ghost's background. But then, the whole Modern Warfare series is basically like a Tom Clancy-wannabe calling the shots and not giving a damn about plot holes. So I should start taking everything so seriously and try to enjoy the big explosions.
Oh right, despite the over-the-top crap like air pressure shockwaves in space from an EMP or two british guys single-handedly killing an entire elite US force, the series takes itself extremely seriously. (Of course, the latter is subjective considering the only thing the US has really been successful at in the MW series is driving the Russian invasion back - [i]nothing else ever goes right for them.[/i])
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